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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 11:41:12 GMT
As Cody said, Abraham told the other men that “we” will be back later (Abraham and Isaac) and told Isaac that “God will see to” providing a lamb for the slaughter.
In his heart, Abraham knew it would end well and he trusted God to make it so.
When an Infinite Being who has proven that He is really the one and only God asks you to do something, you say “YES”!!!
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 19, 2020 11:46:48 GMT
Are you going to answer the question? What will the Lord provide on that mountain? Answer my question. Did they find Jesus on that mountain? Abraham said to Isaac that God WILL SEE that they have a lamb for the offering. God provides. Yes I believe Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was the atonement for sin that God provided on the mountain and thus the fulfilment of this prophecy. So as Christians we have an answer to this prophecy that Jews lack. Every Jew I’ve asked has not had a reasonable answer to this question. If the look at both stories the parallels are quite clear. - Both Isaac and Jesus were promised childs who were miraculously conceived gifts of God. - Both are called their Father’s special and “Only” Son even though Abraham had another son called Ishmael. We Christians in general are called children of God the Father. - Both are sacrificed by their loving Father. - Both were sacrificed at the same place (hills of Moriah). - Both were to be sacrificial lamb to God on wood. (Jesus is called “the Lamb of God” by John the Baptist) - Both Isaac and Jesus carry their own wood up on their back to die on. - Both voluntarily submitted to their being sacrificed. - Both Father’s anticipated their Son’s resurrection. - The sacrifice was a substitute. (A ram was a substitute for Isaac. Jesus was a substitute for us) - The ram was caught in the thorns, and Jesus had a crown of thorns placed on his head. - Both sons ultimately survived the sacrifice.
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 11:51:05 GMT
Answer my question. Did they find Jesus on that mountain? Abraham said to Isaac that God WILL SEE that they have a lamb for the offering. God provides. Yes I believe Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was the atonement for sin that God provided on the mountain and thus the fulfilment of this prophecy. So as Christians we have an answer to this prophecy that Jews lack. Every Jew I’ve asked has not had a reasonable answer to this question. If the look at both stories the parallels are quite clear. - Both Isaac and Jesus were promised childs who were miraculously conceived gifts of God. - Both are called their Father’s special and “Only” Son even though Abraham had another son called Ishmael. We Christians in general are called children of God the Father. - Both are sacrificed by their loving Father. - Both were sacrificed at the same place (hills of Moriah). - Both were to be sacrificial lamb to God on wood. (Jesus is called “the Lamb of God” by John the Baptist) - Both Isaac and Jesus carry their own wood up on their back to die on. - Both voluntarily submitted to their being sacrificed. - Both Father’s anticipated their Son’s resurrection. - The sacrifice was a substitute. (A ram was a substitute for Isaac. Jesus was a substitute for us) - The ram was caught in the thorns, and Jesus had a crown of thorns placed on his head. - Both sons ultimately survived the sacrifice. Christianity copied our story. Jesus didn’t survive. He returned. God told Abraham not to TOUCH Isaac before Abraham had a chance to do anything. Isaac wasn’t cut in the slightest. Isaac didn’t suffer in the slightest. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 12:16:22 GMT
When animals were sacrificed in the Temple, it was done in a way that would make them suffer the least.
A small cut in an artery so they could fall asleep as they bled out.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 19, 2020 12:19:24 GMT
Yes I believe Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was the atonement for sin that God provided on the mountain and thus the fulfilment of this prophecy. So as Christians we have an answer to this prophecy that Jews lack. Every Jew I’ve asked has not had a reasonable answer to this question. If the look at both stories the parallels are quite clear. - Both Isaac and Jesus were promised childs who were miraculously conceived gifts of God. - Both are called their Father’s special and “Only” Son even though Abraham had another son called Ishmael. We Christians in general are called children of God the Father. - Both are sacrificed by their loving Father. - Both were sacrificed at the same place (hills of Moriah). - Both were to be sacrificial lamb to God on wood. (Jesus is called “the Lamb of God” by John the Baptist) - Both Isaac and Jesus carry their own wood up on their back to die on. - Both voluntarily submitted to their being sacrificed. - Both Father’s anticipated their Son’s resurrection. - The sacrifice was a substitute. (A ram was a substitute for Isaac. Jesus was a substitute for us) - The ram was caught in the thorns, and Jesus had a crown of thorns placed on his head. - Both sons ultimately survived the sacrifice. Christianity copied our story. Jesus didn’t survive. He returned. God told Abraham not to TOUCH Isaac before Abraham had a chance to do anything. Isaac wasn’t cut in the slightest. Isaac didn’t suffer in the slightest. How do you suppose Christians could copy the story and get away without being accused of embellishing by the hostile Jews of the time? Also what do you suppose they stood to gain for making stuff up to fit Jesus knowing he wasn’t Messiah and facing certain persecution and death?
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 12:20:48 GMT
Cody, you have your beliefs and you are very, very welcome to them. Billions join you.
Please understand that Jews have our beliefs, too.
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 12:28:31 GMT
Christianity copied our story. Jesus didn’t survive. He returned. God told Abraham not to TOUCH Isaac before Abraham had a chance to do anything. Isaac wasn’t cut in the slightest. Isaac didn’t suffer in the slightest. How do you suppose Christians could copy the story and get away without being accused of embellishing by the hostile Jews of the time? Also what do you suppose they stood to gain for making stuff up to fit Jesus knowing he wasn’t Messiah and facing certain persecution and death? Your Gospels were written decades or much more after his death. Jews had their own things going on and no internet to know what was being written in Greek about Christianity. It wasn’t their concern. |
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 19, 2020 12:33:42 GMT
Cody, you have your beliefs and you are very, very welcome to them. Billions join you. Please understand that Jews have our beliefs, too. Everyone believes his beliefs are true. What you should do is examine whether or not your beliefs correspond with the available evidence. I’ve shown you from this passage and others in conjunction how it points to Christ’s sacrifice. It by far makes the most sense.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 19, 2020 12:36:13 GMT
How do you suppose Christians could copy the story and get away without being accused of embellishing by the hostile Jews of the time? Also what do you suppose they stood to gain for making stuff up to fit Jesus knowing he wasn’t Messiah and facing certain persecution and death? Your Gospels were written decades or much more after his death. Jews had their own things going on and no internet to know what was being written in Greek about Christianity. It wasn’t their concern. We have the Corinthians creed which even liberal scholars attest can be traced all the way back to the crucifixion. I personally do not subscribe to the late dating of the gospels. I think all the best evidence points to Mark, Matthew and Luke being written before 55-60AD.
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 12:47:24 GMT
Cody, you have your beliefs and you are very, very welcome to them. Billions join you. Please understand that Jews have our beliefs, too. Everyone believes his beliefs are true. What you should do is examine whether or not your beliefs correspond with the available evidence. I’ve shown you from this passage and others in conjunction how it points to Christ’s sacrifice. It by far makes the most sense. Sorry, but yours makes no sense at all to Jews. We started the religion first so we believe our side. You are welcome to believe whatever you like. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 12:57:26 GMT
God told us that we are a “priestly people.” We can’t spread our religion to billions, but Christianity can (and it did). So we have our place as the founder of the religion. We are the priestly ones.  |
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 19, 2020 13:11:58 GMT
God told us that we are a “priestly people.” We can’t spread our religion to billions, but Christianity can (and it did). So we have our place as the founder of the religion. We are the priestly ones. Doesn’t matter anymore what you are. You need to repent and turn to Christ for salvation like everyone else. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 13:32:05 GMT
God told us that we are a “priestly people.” We can’t spread our religion to billions, but Christianity can (and it did). So we have our place as the founder of the religion. We are the priestly ones. Doesn’t matter anymore what you are. You need to repent and turn to Christ for salvation like everyone else. Nope. We see a broken commandment in your side. Can’t go there. |
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Post by Isapop on Mar 19, 2020 13:33:09 GMT
That strikes me as a pretty novel take on it. Plenty has been written about this episode by scholars, but I've never run across such an interpretation. Can you cite any expert in the field who put forth this view you've expressed?
Lol. No. It's just my opinion. Well, if I had an opinion about something that generations of scholars in the field have researched, studied, parsed, and debated about, I would want to know if my opinion had any expert support. And if it had none, I would realize that my opinion is a baseless and ignorant one, and one that any scholar in the field could likely demolish in an instant.I'm saying that if your opinion had merit, at least one or more experts would get it the way you do. As far as we both know, none do.
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 13:36:19 GMT
Lol. No. It's just my opinion. Well, if I had an opinion about something that generations of scholars in the field have researched, studied, parsed, and debated about, I would want to know if my opinion had any expert support. And if it had none, I would realize that my opinion is a baseless and ignorant one, and one that any scholar in the field could likely demolish in an instant.I'm saying that if your opinion had merit, at least one or more experts would get it the way you do. As far as we both know, none do. His “opinion” is close to what Jews have believed for 3300 years. We have the longest running experts in our own Bible. |
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Post by Isapop on Mar 19, 2020 13:42:55 GMT
Well, if I had an opinion about something that generations of scholars in the field have researched, studied, parsed, and debated about, I would want to know if my opinion had any expert support. And if it had none, I would realize that my opinion is a baseless and ignorant one, and one that any scholar in the field could likely demolish in an instant.I'm saying that if your opinion had merit, at least one or more experts would get it the way you do. As far as we both know, none do. His “opinion” is close to what Jews have believed for 3300 years. We have the longest running experts in our own Bible. Then the same question to you that I asked him: Can you cite any expert in the field who puts forth this view?
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 13:43:52 GMT
His “opinion” is close to what Jews have believed for 3300 years. We have the longest running experts in our own Bible. Then the same question to you that I asked him: Can you cite any expert in the field who puts forth this view?
Cite exactly what you mean because what I heard him saying sounds like Judaism. |
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Post by Isapop on Mar 19, 2020 13:53:32 GMT
Then the same question to you that I asked him: Can you cite any expert in the field who puts forth this view?
Cite exactly what you mean because what I heard him saying sounds like Judaism. The phrase "any expert in the field" isn't clear enough? You know, a recognized Bible scholar or theologist, or a professor of Jewish studies, etc. How about somebody that YOU consider an expert in the field?
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 13:54:09 GMT
Cite exactly what you mean because what I heard him saying sounds like Judaism. The phrase "any expert in the field" isn't clear enough? You know, a recognized Bible scholar or theologist, or a professor of Jewish studies, etc. How about somebody that YOU consider an expert in the field? QUOTE GAMEBOY. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 19, 2020 13:56:34 GMT
What are gameboy’s words that you want me to justify?
I have a source but I need to see gameboy’s words - from you.
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