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Post by Ecstasy on May 8, 2017 23:03:23 GMT
Marvel Stuido actually asked Tom Cruise for the role of Iron Man but he turned it down because he is not interested in playing superheroes. And many people do believe that Loki overshadows Thor, who has a multi-film contract, and Marvel admitted that they wanted him as a Magneto-type villian...which he is. I could go on and on. I know. That's why I mentioned the Cruise. Besides, he actually did have some interest in the role, but the changes he wanted to implement were too out there, and Marvel ultimatley turned him down. And yet Thor is still the star of the films he's named for, because Marvel has the self-discipline to keep it that way. I'm the one who could go on and on. No, he lost interest in the project. Likely due to this idea at the time. screenrant.com/actors-almost-played-superheroes/If it was the father idea, I don't blame him. And Loki actually has more or around the same screentime in those movies as Magneto did in the last two films. Which was centered around Xavier more than anybody and he had buckets loads more screentime than Mags.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 23:34:59 GMT
I know. That's why I mentioned the Cruise. Besides, he actually did have some interest in the role, but the changes he wanted to implement were too out there, and Marvel ultimatley turned him down. And yet Thor is still the star of the films he's named for, because Marvel has the self-discipline to keep it that way. I'm the one who could go on and on. No, he lost interest in the project. Likely due to this idea at the time. screenrant.com/actors-almost-played-superheroes/If it was the father idea, I don't blame him. And Loki actually has more or around the same screentime in those movies as Magneto did in the last two films. Which was centered around Xavier more than anybody and he had buckets loads more screentime than Mags. Yes, I'm sure that's the story they're pushing to let Cruise save some face. No, actually, Loki hasn't. If he were given the same screentime as Magneto, he'd be in nearly every MCU film as a main character. As it is, he's been regulated to stories concerning Thor. No, Magneto has had more screentime. That character has been in all six of the main X-Men films so far.
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Post by Ecstasy on May 10, 2017 3:56:57 GMT
No, he lost interest in the project. Likely due to this idea at the time. screenrant.com/actors-almost-played-superheroes/If it was the father idea, I don't blame him. And Loki actually has more or around the same screentime in those movies as Magneto did in the last two films. Which was centered around Xavier more than anybody and he had buckets loads more screentime than Mags. Yes, I'm sure that's the story they're pushing to let Cruise save some face. No, actually, Loki hasn't. If he were given the same screentime as Magneto, he'd be in nearly every MCU film as a main character. As it is, he's been regulated to stories concerning Thor. No, Magneto has had more screentime. That character has been in all six of the main X-Men films so far. Read my post more carefully. I said in the last two X-Men films. I'm not talking overall X-Men films.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 10, 2017 4:29:15 GMT
Yes, I'm sure that's the story they're pushing to let Cruise save some face. No, actually, Loki hasn't. If he were given the same screentime as Magneto, he'd be in nearly every MCU film as a main character. As it is, he's been regulated to stories concerning Thor. No, Magneto has had more screentime. That character has been in all six of the main X-Men films so far. Read my post more carefully. I said in the last two X-Men films. I'm not talking overall X-Men films. The last two movies had Magneto more prominent than Loki.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 11, 2017 2:57:44 GMT
Read my post more carefully. I said in the last two X-Men films. I'm not talking overall X-Men films. The last two movies had Magneto more prominent than Loki. That's because Magneto is less ashamed and more wondrous and lets the hero be the star instead of the villain and isn't as grounded.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 11, 2017 3:31:33 GMT
The last two movies had Magneto more prominent than Loki. That's because Magneto is less ashamed and more wondrous and lets the hero be the star instead of the villain and isn't as grounded. Ah, Bizarro. Been wondering where you were.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 11, 2017 3:45:39 GMT
That's because Magneto is less ashamed and more wondrous and lets the hero be the star instead of the villain and isn't as grounded. Ah, Bizarro. Been wondering where you were.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 11, 2017 13:31:27 GMT
Ah, Bizarro. Been wondering where you were. Ah, costumes/big world threats/real shows of power/Magneto not being the only villain. Everything X-Movies should be.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 11, 2017 14:04:15 GMT
Ah, costumes/big world threats/real shows of power/Magneto not being the only villain. Everything X-Movies should be. I also think this version of Apocalypse is AWESOME. I'll always love the original animated series one, but he's hammy/over the top even for the time.
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Post by summers8 on May 12, 2017 18:39:24 GMT
Star Trek will be more fitting since the philosophy of star trek is closer to x-men than star wars. if fox does spin offs like star jammers than I could see star wars. I will rather see magneto stay but have his story arc move on from xavier and raven. let the x-men movie introduce Wanda and Polaris along with pietro and a hint of the House of M. One of the best parts of x-men is their villains and magneto has been overplayed. I call it singer's greatest flaw. I think its time we see The Maurders, friends of humanity, Sinister and Cassandra Nova. I also want Cyclops, Fox is clearly dumb about this character. We need to remind them of how awesome Cyke is. Cyclops, for the last 13 years has been one of the best and most intriguing heroes in comics. We need more of film. A full reboot will be very nice. I don't mean the philosophy, but the look. The world of mutants should look like the cantina scene. It should embrace the weird. It should make you believe in the weird and accept it. The movies as is make you think the weird shouldn't be there (that's another of Singer's flaws). I want this:  They think of them as costumes when they are school uniforms. Have a new student (maybe the movie's main lead) go in for fitting and explain that the uniform goes with his/her powers. That's why everyone gets a different one. this is not weird. this is a picture with school uniforms. its not different from star trek that wear different colours to show what area they specialise in on the enterprise. excessive colours and uniforms are secondary and meaningless to a life action x-men movie. Lets assume x-men goes down this path, I see more of a star trek DS9 and harry potter type of uniforms than actual c omic book colourful costumes that will removie x-men from the grounded world and tone of the movies. For all those that were screaming about Logan not wearing his yellow costume, it made little impact on the recent Logan movie. some of you people need to wise up and understand that not everything you see in a comic book needs to be translated in a live action comic book movie. Apocalypse failed for many of those reasons. I remembered how we were getting word before apocalypse was released that ...it was the most singer ''comic book'' movie yet. it turned out to be his worst x-men movie. a comic book movie is not defined in one particular or truthful way. I am sure this lesson was learned after Fox released Dreadpocalypse while looking back at X-Men 2000, X-Men 2, First Class, DOFP, TW, and Logan.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 12, 2017 20:34:59 GMT
I don't mean the philosophy, but the look. The world of mutants should look like the cantina scene. It should embrace the weird. It should make you believe in the weird and accept it. The movies as is make you think the weird shouldn't be there (that's another of Singer's flaws). I want this: They think of them as costumes when they are school uniforms. Have a new student (maybe the movie's main lead) go in for fitting and explain that the uniform goes with his/her powers. That's why everyone gets a different one. this is not weird. this is a picture with school uniforms. its not different from star trek that wear different colours to show what area they specialise in on the enterprise. excessive colours and uniforms are secondary and meaningless to a life action x-men movie. Lets assume x-men goes down this path, I see more of a star trek DS9 and harry potter type of uniforms than actual c omic book colourful costumes that will removie x-men from the grounded world and tone of the movies. For all those that were screaming about Logan not wearing his yellow costume, it made little impact on the recent Logan movie. some of you people need to wise up and understand that not everything you see in a comic book needs to be translated in a live action comic book movie. Apocalypse failed for many of those reasons. I remembered how we were getting word before apocalypse was released that ...it was the most singer ''comic book'' movie yet. it turned out to be his worst x-men movie. a comic book movie is not defined in one particular or truthful way. I am sure this lesson was learned after Fox released Dreadpocalypse while looking back at X-Men 2000, X-Men 2, First Class, DOFP, TW, and Logan. That's not the part I was saying about accepting the weird. I want the school to look like this:  I want it so that if you see something like this in an X-men movie you'd be okay with it and not think it was weird. It's quite the opposite in X-men. In the comics you'd have the majority of mutants with physical mutations. They don't all look normal. And I'm not talking about about color showing their specialties with the school uniforms. But the style of uniform would go with their powers. A character like Colossus wouldn't wear the same uniform as Iceman or Cyclops. Color of their uniform could be something like on that picture. It would go with the class they are in or with their advisor. And it is a school. How can a school with uniforms not still be grounded? Also, they are kids with powers. Giving them costumes that won't melt away when they turn into acid or shred up when they stretch their body would be a good idea. Didn't need it for Logan. They showed it in the comic. Apocalypse failed because they retread the same things from the other movies. They came up with an excuse of time correcting itself and things will happen the same so they can be lazy about the story. It didn't fail because he "went closer to the comics". Something he didn't do. He actually stayed in his normal black leather armor comfort zone. I'm thinking it failed because Singer stayed in his normal sensibilities. Can you really say that anything prior to DoFP was a BO success? Especially when they all made a fraction of what Spider-man made at the time.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 12, 2017 20:35:48 GMT
"Grounded"...that word disgusts me in conjunction with X-Men.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 13, 2017 3:59:14 GMT
"Grounded"...that word disgusts me in conjunction with X-Men. Because you think the MCU is grounded and ashamed and not wondrous and makes the villains the stars instead of the heroes, unlike the X-Men movies?
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Post by formersamhmd on May 13, 2017 4:39:47 GMT
"Grounded"...that word disgusts me in conjunction with X-Men. Because you think the MCU is grounded and ashamed and not wondrous and makes the villains the stars instead of the heroes, unlike the X-Men movies? No. The opposite.
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Post by summers8 on May 13, 2017 5:58:10 GMT
this is not weird. this is a picture with school uniforms. its not different from star trek that wear different colours to show what area they specialise in on the enterprise. excessive colours and uniforms are secondary and meaningless to a life action x-men movie. Lets assume x-men goes down this path, I see more of a star trek DS9 and harry potter type of uniforms than actual c omic book colourful costumes that will removie x-men from the grounded world and tone of the movies. For all those that were screaming about Logan not wearing his yellow costume, it made little impact on the recent Logan movie. some of you people need to wise up and understand that not everything you see in a comic book needs to be translated in a live action comic book movie. Apocalypse failed for many of those reasons. I remembered how we were getting word before apocalypse was released that ...it was the most singer ''comic book'' movie yet. it turned out to be his worst x-men movie. a comic book movie is not defined in one particular or truthful way. I am sure this lesson was learned after Fox released Dreadpocalypse while looking back at X-Men 2000, X-Men 2, First Class, DOFP, TW, and Logan. That's not the part I was saying about accepting the weird. I want the school to look like this:  I want it so that if you see something like this in an X-men movie you'd be okay with it and not think it was weird. It's quite the opposite in X-men. In the comics you'd have the majority of mutants with physical mutations. They don't all look normal. And I'm not talking about about color showing their specialties with the school uniforms. But the style of uniform would go with their powers. A character like Colossus wouldn't wear the same uniform as Iceman or Cyclops. Color of their uniform could be something like on that picture. It would go with the class they are in or with their advisor. And it is a school. How can a school with uniforms not still be grounded? Also, they are kids with powers. Giving them costumes that won't melt away when they turn into acid or shred up when they stretch their body would be a good idea. Didn't need it for Logan. They showed it in the comic. Apocalypse failed because they retread the same things from the other movies. They came up with an excuse of time correcting itself and things will happen the same so they can be lazy about the story. It didn't fail because he "went closer to the comics". Something he didn't do. He actually stayed in his normal black leather armor comfort zone. I'm thinking it failed because Singer stayed in his normal sensibilities. Can you really say that anything prior to DoFP was a BO success? Especially when they all made a fraction of what Spider-man made at the time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on May 13, 2017 5:58:44 GMT
I hate these MCU trolls. They act so pompous and arrogant when their films are so shallow, and campy. They're not art because all they survive on is silly quips. They're nothing but pull-string toy commercials. Nothing as deep or powerful as the drama I've seen in Logan or Days of Future Past. Nothing as ballsy as Deadpool. Marvel plays it safe EVERY TIME by using the textbook use of cheap one-liners. But in reality, it's all kind of shallow and pointless. So bravo, MCU fans for being religiously addicted to toy commercials that will be forgotten in the next decade because they have no deeper meaning. For more reasons why X-Men win, check this out: www.cbr.com/reasons-why-x-men-movies-are-better-than-the-mcu/
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Post by summers8 on May 13, 2017 6:07:45 GMT
this is not weird. this is a picture with school uniforms. its not different from star trek that wear different colours to show what area they specialise in on the enterprise. excessive colours and uniforms are secondary and meaningless to a life action x-men movie. Lets assume x-men goes down this path, I see more of a star trek DS9 and harry potter type of uniforms than actual c omic book colourful costumes that will removie x-men from the grounded world and tone of the movies. For all those that were screaming about Logan not wearing his yellow costume, it made little impact on the recent Logan movie. some of you people need to wise up and understand that not everything you see in a comic book needs to be translated in a live action comic book movie. Apocalypse failed for many of those reasons. I remembered how we were getting word before apocalypse was released that ...it was the most singer ''comic book'' movie yet. it turned out to be his worst x-men movie. a comic book movie is not defined in one particular or truthful way. I am sure this lesson was learned after Fox released Dreadpocalypse while looking back at X-Men 2000, X-Men 2, First Class, DOFP, TW, and Logan. That's not the part I was saying about accepting the weird. I want the school to look like this:  I want it so that if you see something like this in an X-men movie you'd be okay with it and not think it was weird. It's quite the opposite in X-men. In the comics you'd have the majority of mutants with physical mutations. They don't all look normal. And I'm not talking about about color showing their specialties with the school uniforms. But the style of uniform would go with their powers. A character like Colossus wouldn't wear the same uniform as Iceman or Cyclops. Color of their uniform could be something like on that picture. It would go with the class they are in or with their advisor. And it is a school. How can a school with uniforms not still be grounded? Also, they are kids with powers. Giving them costumes that won't melt away when they turn into acid or shred up when they stretch their body would be a good idea. Didn't need it for Logan. They showed it in the comic. Apocalypse failed because they retread the same things from the other movies. They came up with an excuse of time correcting itself and things will happen the same so they can be lazy about the story. It didn't fail because he "went closer to the comics". Something he didn't do. He actually stayed in his normal black leather armor comfort zone. I'm thinking it failed because Singer stayed in his normal sensibilities. Can you really say that anything prior to DoFP was a BO success? Especially when they all made a fraction of what Spider-man made at the time. a fair point but the truth is we have more mutants without physical mutations. I will say the ratio is about 75 to 25. if x-men does a morlock story arc maybe we can get more mutants with physical mutations. The films have used Beast, Nightcrawler and mystique though. going to the aspect of uniforms and comparing it to star wars you have to realise that the jedis have only one uniform and dress the same way. James Mangold gave the perfect response to the yellow costume problem. ''I always feel a certain contingent of fans who are yearning for it. But the biggest block I’ve had – I’m willing to take the heat for it – is that, I can never get past, being a writer for these movies as well, that Logan is the least narcissistic of all the superheroes, any kind I can think of – Marvel, DC or anywhere else. What I mean by that is, who puts a special branded outfit on when they do good deeds? And why? The only reason you do it is so you can have some sort of trademarked claim and get credit for what you did. Nothing seems less Wolverine-like than the desire to put on a trademarked outfit , particularly canary yellow, and kind of prance about doing good deeds and have people go, “Oh my God! It’s The Wolverine!” At least the Wolverine, as I see him, that’s a real struggle for me and always has been. I somehow feel that if somehow we ever put Hugh [Jackman] into one of those outfits, people would not be happy. Essentially, it’s something that lives on the page and I’m not sure could live anywhere else''. This is what I said earlier. not everything you see in a page translates to the screen. My point was he did not wear the costume in the film. it is irrelevant if we saw it in the comics of the film. Can you say the x-men movies were flops? Spiderman was always an anomaly, his movies did better because it appealed more to kids and was marketed 3x as much as the average x-men movie. If you want to see how the sucess is measured look at the box office of DOFP and AMSM 2. Both films made over 700 million. one was a sucess, the other was a flop and had to make a deal with MCU. X-Men is not in the same category, making a deal with the MCU would be senseless and totally out of character for Fox because Fox enjoys all the sucess for every X-men movie and uses it to make more sequels and spin offs. Because a film makes more money than the other does not mean the other film was not a sucess.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on May 13, 2017 6:09:09 GMT
Also to some of you saying that the X-Men films don't require you to think, maybe it's just because their goal is to be more visceral and fun with the silly comic book elements. I mean, they take the source material so seriously that they make it easy for everyone to care about a criminal like Magneto and his family... when we barely know them. That's awesome filmmaking. The MCU films are as cut and dry and as deep as TV movies. ZZzzzz. I'd rather these kind of movies play with and master my emotional responses while I'm watching them than give me boring, dry, unrelatable nonsense (because we've seen it all a billion times before).
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Post by formersamhmd on May 13, 2017 12:28:13 GMT
Also to some of you saying that the X-Men films don't require you to think, maybe it's just because their goal is to be more visceral and fun with the silly comic book elements. I mean, they take the source material so seriously that they make it easy for everyone to care about a criminal like Magneto and his family... when we barely know them. That's awesome filmmaking. The MCU films are as cut and dry and as deep as TV movies. ZZzzzz. I'd rather these kind of movies play with and master my emotional responses while I'm watching them than give me boring, dry, unrelatable nonsense (because we've seen it all a billion times before). No, the MCU movies just aren't ashamed of themselves the way the FoX-Men movies are. And I thought that whole bit with Magneto and his family was utter stupidity.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 13, 2017 12:46:07 GMT
Also to some of you saying that the X-Men films don't require you to think, maybe it's just because their goal is to be more visceral and fun with the silly comic book elements. I mean, they take the source material so seriously that they make it easy for everyone to care about a criminal like Magneto and his family... when we barely know them. That's awesome filmmaking. The MCU films are as cut and dry and as deep as TV movies. ZZzzzz. I'd rather these kind of movies play with and master my emotional responses while I'm watching them than give me boring, dry, unrelatable nonsense (because we've seen it all a billion times before). No, the MCU movies just aren't ashamed of themselves the way the FoX-Men movies are. And I thought that whole bit with Magneto and his family was utter stupidity. You need to get new material. Your shit is tired, bro.
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