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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 2:53:10 GMT
You are listening to liberal propaganda.
The funding to CDC has increased each year.
A member of the pandemic team was on tv saying it was never disbanded.
And Trump was criticized by the Dems for imposing a travel ban with China in January.
You hate Trump so EVERYTHING he does you will criticize.
Even if it's entirely fiction.
The Dems have been REPREHENSIBLE for over three years.
The Russian collusion? Do you fully appreciate what the Dems did to try and frame Trump? It should make you sick.
Then the Ukraine call where Trump was withholding aid to our BEST friend and the most important country in the world...Ukraine!
But he didn't. But he was impeached anyway and, yet again, the Dems were wasting all our time and energy.
You will not get me to join along with the stinking Dems on anything at this point.
Let's not forget how the Dems are trying to add on all kinds of pork to the China virus relief bill!
You hate Trump. I get it.
I hate the Dems much more at this point.
I guess this article from May 2018 was just a clever democratic plant? Like the Obama birth announcement??? www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/Those crafty fucking Democrats. Said nobody ever. I don't subscribe but thanks anyway.
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Post by hehatesshe on Mar 24, 2020 3:11:36 GMT
I don't subscribe either, but was able to read.
Well, anyway, here you go. The article written 22 months ago:
By Lena H. Sun May 10, 2018 at 3:32 p.m. CDT The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.
Ziemer’s last day was Tuesday, the same day a new Ebola outbreak was declared in Congo. He is not being replaced.
Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.
“Health security is very fragmented, with many different agencies,” said J. Stephen Morrison, senior vice president at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “It means coordination and direction from the White House is terribly important. ”
The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.
NSC spokesman Robert Palladino said Wednesday the administration “remains committed to global health, global health security and biodefense, and will continue to address these issues with the same resolve under the new structure.”
Another administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly, acknowledged it was only one of many administration priorities. “In a world of limited resources, you have to pick and choose,” he said. “We lost a little bit of the leadership, but the expertise remains.”
Ziemer is a well-respected public health leader who was considered highly effective leading the President’s Malaria Initiative under George W. Bush and Barack Obama before joining the NSC last year. While Palladino said he left “on the warmest terms,” an individual familiar with the specifics behind the reorganization said “he was basically pushed out. He struggled to preserve himself and the integrity of his team, and he failed.”
His exit comes against the backdrop of other administration actions critics say have weakened health security preparedness, including dwindling financing for early preventive action against infectious disease threats abroad.
The new Ebola outbreak is in northwest Congo. Only two cases have been confirmed, but the World Health Organization reported Thursday another 30 probable and suspected cases of the deadly hemorrhagic fever. Of those, 18 already have died.
Congolese and international health officials say they hope to control the outbreak quickly, but some health officials worry about its potential to become more serious and spread because of its location in a town upriver from the densely populated capital of Kinshasa.
This week, the administration released a list of $15 billion in spending cuts it wants Congress to approve. Among the targets is $252 million in unused funds remaining from the 2014-2015 Ebola epidemic in West Africa that killed more than 11,000 people, far exceeding the combined total cases reported in about 20 previous outbreaks since the 1970s.
The White House proposal “is threatening to claw back funding whose precise purpose is to help the United States be able to respond quickly in the event of a crisis,” said Carolyn Reynolds, a vice president at PATH, a global health technology nonprofit.
Collectively, warns Jeremy Konyndyk, who led foreign disaster assistance at the U.S. Agency for International Development during the Obama administration, “What this all adds up to is a potentially really concerning rollback of progress on U.S. health security preparedness.”
“It seems to actively unlearn the lessons we learned through very hard experience over the last 15 years,” said Konyndyk, now a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development. “These moves make us materially less safe. It’s inexplicable.”
The day before news of Ziemer’s exit became public, one of the officials on his team, Luciana Borio, director of medical and biodefense preparedness at the NSC, spoke at a symposium at Emory University to mark the 100th anniversary of the 1918 influenza pandemic. That event killed an estimated 50 million to 100 million people worldwide.
“The threat of pandemic flu is the number one health security concern,” she told the audience. “Are we ready to respond? I fear the answer is no.”
Karen DeYoung contributed to this report."
But tell me again how it didn't happen
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Post by millar70 on Mar 24, 2020 3:30:57 GMT
Would it make people feel better if we don't call it the China virus? Would a lot of you fools here feel better if we call it the TRUMP VIRUS?
Is that gonna make it go away? Is that gonna prevent deaths or help those of us left out in the cold get our lives back together?
Call it whatever the fuck you want to call it, the damage will be the same no matter what.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Mar 24, 2020 11:55:55 GMT
Would it make people feel better if we don't call it the China virus? Would a lot of you fools here feel better if we call it the TRUMP VIRUS? Is that gonna make it go away? Is that gonna prevent deaths or help those of us left out in the cold get our lives back together? Call it whatever the fuck you want to call it, the damage will be the same no matter what. Of course the virus will be the same, but why act like that? He’s such a fucking tiny dicked first grader in every single instance of his presidency.
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Post by fjenkins on Mar 24, 2020 15:24:57 GMT
Just forget all the fucking idiotic stuff Trump has done and the literal 15,000 documented lies he's made since in office, forget it all. This is the fucking idiot who in 2018 fired the head of the CDC and cut their funding to save money. He's a fucking moron and responsible deaths, and I'm talking directly responsible. End of story. You are listening to liberal propaganda.
The funding to CDC has increased each year.
A member of the pandemic team was on tv saying it was never disbanded.
And Trump was criticized by the Dems for imposing a travel ban with China in January.
You hate Trump so EVERYTHING he does you will criticize.
Even if it's entirely fiction.
The Dems have been REPREHENSIBLE for over three years.
The Russian collusion? Do you fully appreciate what the Dems did to try and frame Trump? It should make you sick.
Then the Ukraine call where Trump was withholding aid to our BEST friend and the most important country in the world...Ukraine!
But he didn't. But he was impeached anyway and, yet again, the Dems were wasting all our time and energy.
You will not get me to join along with the stinking Dems on anything at this point.
Let's not forget how the Dems are trying to add on all kinds of pork to the China virus relief bill!
You hate Trump. I get it.
I hate the Dems much more at this point.
I love it. You COMPLETELY ignore what I wrote. This is the standard Trump "arguing" tactic. Ignore the point brought up and write a bunch of stuff that has zero to do with the topic. We're done.
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Post by bluerisk on Mar 24, 2020 15:33:54 GMT
Dunno, but this is undeniably pathetic! Ok, China it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 15:39:20 GMT
You are listening to liberal propaganda.
The funding to CDC has increased each year.
A member of the pandemic team was on tv saying it was never disbanded.
And Trump was criticized by the Dems for imposing a travel ban with China in January.
You hate Trump so EVERYTHING he does you will criticize.
Even if it's entirely fiction.
The Dems have been REPREHENSIBLE for over three years.
The Russian collusion? Do you fully appreciate what the Dems did to try and frame Trump? It should make you sick.
Then the Ukraine call where Trump was withholding aid to our BEST friend and the most important country in the world...Ukraine!
But he didn't. But he was impeached anyway and, yet again, the Dems were wasting all our time and energy.
You will not get me to join along with the stinking Dems on anything at this point.
Let's not forget how the Dems are trying to add on all kinds of pork to the China virus relief bill!
You hate Trump. I get it.
I hate the Dems much more at this point.
I love it. You COMPLETELY ignore what I wrote. This is the standard Trump "arguing" tactic. Ignore the point brought up and write a bunch of stuff that has zero to do with the topic. We're done. Liberals need to grow the hell up.
This is a global crisis and liberals have expended all their time blaming one person. Donald Trump.
Blame China if you really feel the need to blame someone.
And who is holding up economic relief efforts? Democrats. Gee, what a shock.
Yeah, you are done.
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Post by hehatesshe on Mar 24, 2020 17:23:40 GMT
Would it make people feel better if we don't call it the China virus? Would a lot of you fools here feel better if we call it the TRUMP VIRUS? Is that gonna make it go away? Is that gonna prevent deaths or help those of us left out in the cold get our lives back together? Call it whatever the fuck you want to call it, the damage will be the same no matter what.Do you think the damage will be the same if the President of the United States were to come out today and say it's not that bad, it's under control, and it will go from 46,548 to practically 0 over night?
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Post by nogbad on Mar 24, 2020 19:00:44 GMT
I find not watching fuckwits talking shite on television very helpful. I genuinely have very liitle idea what Trump and Bojo are saying, and I intend to keep it that way, but I was aware of this (unfortunately). So to answer the question, no it's not necessarily racist, just pig ignorant dog-whistle politics. I wouldn't expect anything else. It works for the hard of thinking, clearly, so will doubtless continue.
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Post by Heretic on Mar 24, 2020 21:21:17 GMT
Is it racist to call it Chinese food? Well, what we have here in the US is merely a cheap facsimile of what real Chinese food is. So not racist per se, but not exactly an accurate identifier. Indeed. The Wuhan Surprise here doesnt even have a bat in it. And the worst ailment you can get is food poisoning, which has no chance at causing a worldwide pandemic. What a rip off.
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Post by Zos on Mar 25, 2020 13:13:42 GMT
Less racist than childish. In reality it's all about diverting attention from his poor response to the crisis though. He's going to fall flat on his arse over the "America up and working by Easter" gibberish he's spouting now though. He will deny saying it of course in two weeks and his acolytes will desperately try and spin it.
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Post by Zos on Mar 25, 2020 13:16:08 GMT
He was not calling the virus a 'hoax'. He was calling the Dems criticisms of him a hoax.
And I agree with him.
He implemented a travel ban and the Dems criticized him for it. It was the right move.
Bernie said he would not ever implement such a travel ban. I mean that is just insane. He said that not long ago, too.
Biden was quick to call it xenophobic. That was late January.
And Trump has had to respond daily with the unfolding of the outbreak.
Not always the best, but I would hate to think what it would look like today if he hadn't implemented those travel bans.
I feel like I have to support Trump simply because these constant attacks on him are so completely overblown.
Russian collusion based on the most faulty dossier the FBI should have dismissed immediately and let to two years wasted.
Then Ukraine and then impeachment over nothing.
And now this.
China is to blame for the virus. China.
I've followed you posts on politics here for a long enough time to know he could shoot your mother in the face and somehow you'd still support him. He fucked this up big time, not because of what he called it but because of how he'd rather conceal it to not take blame than be a leader proactively trying to stop its explosion. He is rather like a cult member. If Trump told him to drink the Kool Aid he's be asking for seconds.
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Post by fjenkins on Mar 26, 2020 1:29:45 GMT
I've followed you posts on politics here for a long enough time to know he could shoot your mother in the face and somehow you'd still support him. He fucked this up big time, not because of what he called it but because of how he'd rather conceal it to not take blame than be a leader proactively trying to stop its explosion. He is rather like a cult member. If Trump told him to drink the Kool Aid he's be asking for seconds. That essentially describes all the Trump followers, right? Who knew there were this many stupid people. i get all the racists love him and that's a good part of his base - then there are just the really stupid people. Who knew?
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Post by millar70 on Mar 26, 2020 3:29:38 GMT
He is rather like a cult member. If Trump told him to drink the Kool Aid he's be asking for seconds. That essentially describes all the Trump followers, right? Who knew there were this many stupid people. i get all the racists love him and that's a good part of his base - then there are just the really stupid people. Who knew? I ain't racist and I ain't stupid, I'm just supporting the President in a very dark time. And I don't think he's perfect by any means, but I also think he's doing as good of a job on this as anyone could ask for. And guess what? Many other Americans are feeling the same way. Over 60% are approving of the job he is doing during this crisis. The death rate around the world is 4%, in the United States we are still at 1%.
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Post by hehatesshe on Mar 26, 2020 5:39:40 GMT
That essentially describes all the Trump followers, right? Who knew there were this many stupid people. i get all the racists love him and that's a good part of his base - then there are just the really stupid people. Who knew? I ain't racist and I ain't stupid, I'm just supporting the President in a very dark time. And I don't think he's perfect by any means, but I also think he's doing as good of a job on this as anyone could ask for. And guess what? Many other Americans are feeling the same way. Over 60% are approving of the job he is doing during this crisis. The death rate around the world is 4%, in the United States we are still at 1%. We are not even a month past the first death from this thing. On Tuesday about 225 people died in America. A bit more on Wednesday. By Saturday and Sunday it will be 500 a day. If this pace continues, by next weekend it will be 1,000 a day. I won't even bore/scare you with what the math says the daily death total will be in 3 weeks. If I'm wrong and the President is right, I'll be the first to say so. Hell, if we don't hit 1,000 US deaths a day I will vote to reelect Trump. If churches are full by Easter I will go door to door with. MAGA/KAP hat. But if the scientists, and the math, and the laws of exponential growth are right, and we do hit 1,000 deaths a day, will you vote Biden? If we hit 10,000 US deaths a day, will you campaign for Biden? Or will you continue to support a president who told you this was under control? Who told you he had stopped it at the border? Who told you it would go from 15 cases to 0 cases by the end of the week? Who told you it was no worse than the flu? Who told you it was the new Democrat hoax? And who told you people are going to work and still getting better?
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Post by millar70 on Mar 26, 2020 6:04:29 GMT
I ain't racist and I ain't stupid, I'm just supporting the President in a very dark time. And I don't think he's perfect by any means, but I also think he's doing as good of a job on this as anyone could ask for. And guess what? Many other Americans are feeling the same way. Over 60% are approving of the job he is doing during this crisis. The death rate around the world is 4%, in the United States we are still at 1%. We are not even a month past the first death from this thing. On Tuesday about 225 people died in America. A bit more on Wednesday. By Saturday and Sunday it will be 500 a day. If this pace continues, by next weekend it will be 1,000 a day. I won't even bore/scare you with what the math says the daily death total will be in 3 weeks. If I'm wrong and the President is right, I'll be the first to say so. Hell, if we don't hit 1,000 US deaths a day I will vote to reelect Trump. If churches are full by Easter I will go door to door with. MAGA/KAP hat. But if the scientists, and the math, and the laws of exponential growth are right, and we do hit 1,000 deaths a day, will you vote Biden? If we hit 10,000 US deaths a day, will you campaign for Biden? Or will you continue to support a president who told you this was under control? Who told you he had stopped it at the border? Who told you it would go from 15 cases to 0 cases by the end of the week? Who told you it was no worse than the flu? Who told you it was the new Democrat hoax? And who told you people are going to work and still getting better? There's no doubt that things will get worse before they get better, regardless of who is in charge. Do you honestly think that if Joe Biden suddenly became President, the number of sick and dying will suddenly go down? Look dude, I get that we are at different ends of the spectrum and not a thing is gonna change that. That's not really gonna change my mind about how I feel about any of this. Btw, was it Trump's fault that New Orleans went ahead with Mardi Gras celebrations? Was it Trump's fault that spring breakers continued to party on the beach. A group in San Francisco just got busted for setting up a "guerrilla party" for over 200 people this weekend. Do you think those folks were Trump supporters having a secret rally. What I'm getting at is that this is something that must be fought by ALL OF US, not just whoever is currently in the White House. Once again, for like the 6th time, I don't think everything Trump has done over the last 2 months has been good, but I don't think everything he has done has been bad either. Yes, we are gonna have worse days, but I do think we are doing the right things to eventually get this horror under control.
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Post by hehatesshe on Mar 26, 2020 6:17:16 GMT
We are not even a month past the first death from this thing. On Tuesday about 225 people died in America. A bit more on Wednesday. By Saturday and Sunday it will be 500 a day. If this pace continues, by next weekend it will be 1,000 a day. I won't even bore/scare you with what the math says the daily death total will be in 3 weeks. If I'm wrong and the President is right, I'll be the first to say so. Hell, if we don't hit 1,000 US deaths a day I will vote to reelect Trump. If churches are full by Easter I will go door to door with. MAGA/KAP hat. But if the scientists, and the math, and the laws of exponential growth are right, and we do hit 1,000 deaths a day, will you vote Biden? If we hit 10,000 US deaths a day, will you campaign for Biden? Or will you continue to support a president who told you this was under control? Who told you he had stopped it at the border? Who told you it would go from 15 cases to 0 cases by the end of the week? Who told you it was no worse than the flu? Who told you it was the new Democrat hoax? And who told you people are going to work and still getting better? There's no doubt that things will get worse before they get better, regardless of who is in charge. Do you honestly think that if Joe Biden suddenly became President, the number of sick and dying will suddenly go down? Look dude, I get that we are at different ends of the spectrum and not a thing is gonna change that. That's not really gonna change my mind about how I feel about any of this. Btw, was it Trump's fault that New Orleans went ahead with Mardi Gras celebrations? Was it Trump's fault that spring breakers continued to party on the beach.Yes  Would you like to know more?
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Post by millar70 on Mar 26, 2020 6:46:49 GMT
There's no doubt that things will get worse before they get better, regardless of who is in charge. Do you honestly think that if Joe Biden suddenly became President, the number of sick and dying will suddenly go down? Look dude, I get that we are at different ends of the spectrum and not a thing is gonna change that. That's not really gonna change my mind about how I feel about any of this. Btw, was it Trump's fault that New Orleans went ahead with Mardi Gras celebrations? Was it Trump's fault that spring breakers continued to party on the beach.Yes  Would you like to know more? Whatever makes you sleep at night, my man. And after you're done with that, maybe you can explain how it was Trump's fault that the douchebag ate that bat in China that started this whole thing. And make sure you give me your source of information. I'll take THAT into consideration before I make judgements.
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Post by hehatesshe on Mar 26, 2020 8:28:13 GMT
Yes  Would you like to know more? Whatever makes you sleep at night, my man. And after you're done with that, maybe you can explain how it was Trump's fault that the douchebag ate that bat in China that started this whole thing. And make sure you give me your source of information. I'll take THAT into consideration before I make judgements. If Donald Trump said it was ok to drink and drive, and millions of people believed him and went out and did so, I would blame him for that. I do not, however, blame Trump for the invention of alcohol, or automobiles. Just his irresponsible attitude that combining them is not that bad. So to speak...
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Post by Zos on Mar 26, 2020 11:05:53 GMT
That essentially describes all the Trump followers, right? Who knew there were this many stupid people. i get all the racists love him and that's a good part of his base - then there are just the really stupid people. Who knew? I ain't racist and I ain't stupid, I'm just supporting the President in a very dark time. And I don't think he's perfect by any means, but I also think he's doing as good of a job on this as anyone could ask for. And guess what? Many other Americans are feeling the same way. Over 60% are approving of the job he is doing during this crisis. The death rate around the world is 4%, in the United States we are still at 1%. You think his remarks about wanting everyone out working in 2 weeks are responsible?
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