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Post by drystyx on Mar 23, 2020 2:00:40 GMT
To those few who are too proud to accept social distancing, claiming it's snobbish, well, the point isn't which of the two people in the store is the carrier, it's the point that there is only one respirator for the grandmother of the two of you, so only one of you had better need it for your grandmother.
Am I right? Or am I right? I mean "left", since "left" is right, I mean "correct". Oh, you know what I mean.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 5:58:47 GMT
You're right 👍
Isolate at home whenever possible.
Stay 2 metres apart if you can't.
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Post by cinder on Mar 23, 2020 6:18:06 GMT
The people who refuse to distance themselves over something they can easily get and then easily spread to vulnerable people are unbelievable. The lack of compassion in this world is astounding.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 23, 2020 12:48:27 GMT
cinderFor something that's a big threat I would completely agree, but this Coronavirus seems to be over-blown by the media etc. it's not as dangerous as the media makes it out to be as a very high percentage of us won't even be hospitalized let alone die. because unless one has a rather good chance of dying or get seriously sick to where they need to go to the hospital, I don't think most people should worry THAT much over it. people should not let fear control them especially when the risk to a high percentage of people is minimal (sure, I think people should be a bit more on the cautious side to be a bit safe, so don't take any uncesssary risks). if this Coronavirus was anywhere near the Spanish Flu level of deaths I could easily understand people being a lot more cautious and taking more extreme measures but the measures they are taking currently likely far exceed the damage it will do. because at the end of the day... it's just not worth ruining the economy for any length of time over a virus that's not a major threat to humanity. so while I can understand some level of caution, one can only push this so far before the world must return to normal for the sake of the vast majority of people who need $ to pay for food for their families etc. so in this regard I can't see them pushing this more than a couple of months or so before things are going to have to start returning to at least semi-normal levels. besides... when it comes to viruses it seems like one just has to hope they are mostly immune to to them, otherwise if your one of those people who are always sick, it's probably a matter of time before some random virus takes that person out.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 23, 2020 16:33:08 GMT
... a very high percentage of us won't even be hospitalized let alone die. You consider a 96% survival rate to be good?
Two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. - quote the raven: Madalyn Murray O'Hair
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 23, 2020 21:34:50 GMT
To those few who are too proud to accept social distancing, claiming it's snobbish, well, the point isn't which of the two people in the store is the carrier, it's the point that there is only one respirator for the grandmother of the two of you, so only one of you had better need it for your grandmother. Am I right? Or am I right? I mean "left", since "left" is right, I mean "correct". Oh, you know what I mean. I have been socially distancing since I was so severely immuno-compromised by cancer treatment. The common cold could have killed me. Staying a good distance from a small child sneezing is just common sense. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for people right now. It's just become a habit for me. Sometimes, in a crowd, it can't be maintained. That happened to me in February of 2017. I was diagnosed with H1N1, I went from being fine at 9 p.m. to a 103 degree fever at 3 a.m. When I did get to a doctor, it was too late for Tamiflu, so I was given meds that eased my breathing. I was really sick for 2 solid weeks, but I stayed at home and lived. And my immune system got a bit of practice. This current virus is not the Bubonic Plague or the 1918 flu, the case fatality rate is too low, but an ounce of prevention is always worth a pound of cure...
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Post by drystyx on Mar 23, 2020 23:09:12 GMT
To those few who are too proud to accept social distancing, claiming it's snobbish, well, the point isn't which of the two people in the store is the carrier, it's the point that there is only one respirator for the grandmother of the two of you, so only one of you had better need it for your grandmother. Am I right? Or am I right? I mean "left", since "left" is right, I mean "correct". Oh, you know what I mean. I have been socially distancing since I was so severely immuno-compromised by cancer treatment. The common cold could have killed me. Staying a good distance from a small child sneezing is just common sense. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for people right now. It's just become a habit for me. Sometimes, in a crowd, it can't be maintained. That happened to me in February of 2017. I was diagnosed with H1N1, I went from being fine at 9 p.m. to a 103 degree fever at 3 a.m. When I did get to a doctor, it was too late for Tamiflu, so I was given meds that eased my breathing. I was really sick for 2 solid weeks, but I stayed at home and lived. And my immune system got a bit of practice. This current virus is not the Bubonic Plague or the 1918 flu, the case fatality rate is too low, but an ounce of prevention is always worth a pound of cure... There's so much weirdness, or maybe my imagination. I asked the hotline online if jogging in a near vacant park with lots of room was okay, and they said okay, with the social distance. So today, being a weekday, I went to the big park in Corydon, and there was almost no one there. I walked past the "tourist" areas to the jogging area and had it all to myself for the first 2 1/2 miles (a lap is a half mile), and I saw some very gorgeous young woman walking towards me. Now, of course this is not the time, and I'm 63, so it made no sense. The path is 8 feet wide of low mown grass, with a dozen or more feet of less mown grass outside that, okay enough for avoiding traffic, and I was to the right, so I shouted, "okay, I'm going towards this side", since she was on "her right side", but she kept walking towards me, and was closing in, backing me off while jogging, asking where the bridge was, and I quickly answered, and probably only managed to keep 3 feet away while she was speaking directly to me. It was weird. Had she not heard? She looked well dressed and well kept enough to be in civilization. Was she "accidentally on purpose" trying to spread death to her old folks or my old folks? More likely, she just forgot, I guess. I don't know why a bridge is so important. She could have asked from a distance. There was no noise, and it was easy to hear. She spoke low, so I don't think her hearing was off. It was weird. Normally, it would be normal, and maybe that was it. She just totally went into a trance of enjoying the park, forgetting the cares of the world. But even in small Corydon, we're at the point of high risk with just one encounter under six feet, IMO. High risk. Just because I jog 2 miles (I usually don't do 3 miles) doesn't guarantee I'll be okay. And not only that. I'm supposed to deliver food to my 86 year old mother, who has diabetes, a heart pace maker, cancer treatments, and a hip replacement, in Bardstown Thursday. That really scares me now. I'm sure the young girl meant nothing, but who knows? There are some modern day sickos who want to destroy.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Mar 23, 2020 23:28:38 GMT
cinder For something that's a big threat I would completely agree, but this Coronavirus seems to be over-blown by the media etc. it's not as dangerous as the media makes it out to be as a very high percentage of us won't even be hospitalized let alone die. because unless one has a rather good chance of dying or get seriously sick to where they need to go to the hospital, I don't think most people should worry THAT much over it. people should not let fear control them especially when the risk to a high percentage of people is minimal (sure, I think people should be a bit more on the cautious side to be a bit safe, so don't take any uncesssary risks). if this Coronavirus was anywhere near the Spanish Flu level of deaths I could easily understand people being a lot more cautious and taking more extreme measures but the measures they are taking currently likely far exceed the damage it will do. because at the end of the day... it's just not worth ruining the economy for any length of time over a virus that's not a major threat to humanity. so while I can understand some level of caution, one can only push this so far before the world must return to normal for the sake of the vast majority of people who need $ to pay for food for their families etc. so in this regard I can't see them pushing this more than a couple of months or so before things are going to have to start returning to at least semi-normal levels. besides... when it comes to viruses it seems like one just has to hope they are mostly immune to to them, otherwise if your one of those people who are always sick, it's probably a matter of time before some random virus takes that person out. 4% of the population that gets it will die. And most (e.g. 70 or 80%) of the population will probably get it. So if you think it's fine for millions of people to die just as long as you're not one of them then fuck you. Statistically, I will probably be fine. But I happen to not want my older relatives and friends to die. Nor do I want my friends with existing conditions to die. Or (for that matter) - just random older people/people with existing conditions to die. Because I'm not a self-centred, sociopathic asshole.
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Post by drystyx on Mar 23, 2020 23:41:45 GMT
cinder For something that's a big threat I would completely agree, but this Coronavirus seems to be over-blown by the media etc. it's not as dangerous as the media makes it out to be as a very high percentage of us won't even be hospitalized let alone die. because unless one has a rather good chance of dying or get seriously sick to where they need to go to the hospital, I don't think most people should worry THAT much over it. people should not let fear control them especially when the risk to a high percentage of people is minimal (sure, I think people should be a bit more on the cautious side to be a bit safe, so don't take any uncesssary risks). if this Coronavirus was anywhere near the Spanish Flu level of deaths I could easily understand people being a lot more cautious and taking more extreme measures but the measures they are taking currently likely far exceed the damage it will do. because at the end of the day... it's just not worth ruining the economy for any length of time over a virus that's not a major threat to humanity. so while I can understand some level of caution, one can only push this so far before the world must return to normal for the sake of the vast majority of people who need $ to pay for food for their families etc. so in this regard I can't see them pushing this more than a couple of months or so before things are going to have to start returning to at least semi-normal levels. besides... when it comes to viruses it seems like one just has to hope they are mostly immune to to them, otherwise if your one of those people who are always sick, it's probably a matter of time before some random virus takes that person out. Maybe I wouldn't be what you would call a good president, but for me, even one human death that could be avoided with better safety measures and common sense foresight, that one death is too much for me. 4% of the population is a whopper. Even just 1% is a whopper. I shed tears when a dog or cat dies. Now, I realize you aren't this cold hearted, and it's such a tragedy that you have to distance yourself, and be remote, and I understand that, but I'm sure some of us here will lose some one we like or love or cherish before the year is out. I hope you reconsider the human aspect.
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Post by Shays rebelling on Mar 23, 2020 23:57:39 GMT
To those few who are too proud to accept social distancing, claiming it's snobbish, well, the point isn't which of the two people in the store is the carrier, it's the point that there is only one respirator for the grandmother of the two of you, so only one of you had better need it for your grandmother. Am I right? Or am I right? I mean "left", since "left" is right, I mean "correct". Oh, you know what I mean.
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Post by Honolulu on Mar 27, 2020 7:20:34 GMT
To those few who are too proud to accept social distancing, claiming it's snobbish, well, the point isn't which of the two people in the store is the carrier, it's the point that there is only one respirator for the grandmother of the two of you, so only one of you had better need it for your grandmother. Am I right? Or am I right? I mean "left", since "left" is right, I mean "correct". Oh, you know what I mean. I don't see what being a snob has to do with social distancing.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 30, 2020 17:58:24 GMT
Like the following video shows... the core of the problem is touching surfaces that contain the virus and then touching ones face. if people could be a lot more cautious of that, the cases of COVID-19 would plummet which is basically mentioned on Waters World on March 28th 2020 episode, which is pretty much this (basically the first 6-7min of the video)...
so while the social distancing can help, it's probably not as critical as people just need to be more aware of keeping their hands away from their face when they are out of the house and have touched random things and chances are they will be fine (but since many don't pay too much attention to where they hands have been I can see why they recommend the social distancing as it helps keep ones hands from getting contaminated etc). but, obviously, if one is going to touch their face, wash their hands before doing it otherwise be cautious of what you touch etc. but I am not worried personally as I have been generally more on the cautious side of things in general when it comes to washing my hands.
catching it in the air is quite a bit more difficult to do given what he says in that video like you basically need long sustained contact of it in the air for like at least 15-30+ minutes etc.
so basically that's solid news which means humanity has more control over it spreading then I would have guessed as I just kind of assumed it was more of a airborne thing than anything else.
p.s. but I would imagine as usual... the media will keep up with the fear-mongering instead of telling people what's shown in that video which will help calm some people who are all worked up over it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 18:29:47 GMT
Like the following video shows... the core of the problem is touching surfaces that contain the virus and then touching ones face. if people could be a lot more cautious of that, the cases of COVID-19 would plummet which is basically mentioned on Waters World on March 28th 2020 episode, which is pretty much this (basically the first 6-7min of the video)...
so while the social distancing can help, it's probably not as critical as people just need to be more aware of keeping their hands away from their face when they are out of the house and have touched random things and chances are they will be fine (but since many don't pay too much attention to where they hands have been I can see why they recommend the social distancing as it helps keep ones hands from getting contaminated etc). but, obviously, if one is going to touch their face, wash their hands before doing it otherwise be cautious of what you touch etc. but I am not worried personally as I have been generally more on the cautious side of things in general when it comes to washing my hands.
catching it in the air is quite a bit more difficult to do given what he says in that video like you basically need long sustained contact of it in the air for like at least 15-30+ minutes etc.
so basically that's solid news which means humanity has more control over it spreading then I would have guessed as I just kind of assumed it was more of a airborne thing than anything else.
p.s. but I would imagine as usual... the media will keep up with the fear-mongering instead of telling people what's shown in that video which will help calm some people who are all worked up over it.
Stop spreading dangerous lies and misinformation. It is droplet and aerosol spread airborne.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 30, 2020 19:50:15 GMT
@ned
Watch the video as it's directly from a doctor as I am not making this stuff up. he said 'the overwhelming majority of people are getting this from physically touching someone who has this disease or will develop it within the next one to two days and then touching their face'.
Also, I did not say you can't get it in the air, it's just a lot less likely given what that doctor said. so I what "lies" and "misinformation" am I spreading?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 19:51:35 GMT
@ned Watch the video as it's directly from a doctor as I am not making this stuff up. Also, I did not say you can't get it in the air, it's just a lot less likely given what that doctor said. so I what "lies" and "misinformation" am I spreading? You are telling people social distancing isn't critical. It is.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 30, 2020 19:54:41 GMT
@ned It's important mainly because of the whole touching thing. bottom line is that doctor says, and I quote... "the overwhelming majority of people are getting this from physically touching someone who has this disease or will develop it within the next one to two days and then touching their face"
given that info... social distancing seems to mainly help because people have a habit of touching their face without clean hands. if they were careful of where there hands have been, then they should be mostly okay. that's why I said the social distancing is not as big of a deal "IF" your careful of where your hands have been. but on the side of caution, since it's still possible you can get it through the air, it's best to avoid people where you can. but I would not be super paranoid about it given what that doctor said as it largely boils down to touching ones face.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 30, 2020 19:57:55 GMT
@ned Watch the video as it's directly from a doctor as I am not making this stuff up. he said 'the overwhelming majority of people are getting this from physically touching someone who has this disease or will develop it within the next one to two days and then touching their face'. Also, I did not say you can't get it in the air, it's just a lot less likely given what that doctor said. so I what "lies" and "misinformation" am I spreading? You found one doctor that said social interaction isn't that bad even though the vast majority of experts are saying to avoid it. Do you not see the problem? If social interaction isn't a huge factor, then why is New York, a very densley populated town being overwhelmed with the virus?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 20:04:14 GMT
@ned It's important mainly because of the whole touching thing. bottom line is that doctor says, and I quote... "the overwhelming majority of people are getting this from physically touching someone who has this disease or will develop it within the next one to two days and then touching their face"
given that info... social distancing seems to mainly help because people have a habit of touching their face without clean hands. if they were careful of where there hands have been, then they should be mostly okay. that's why I said the social distancing is not as big of a deal "IF" your careful of where your hands have been. but on the side of caution, since it's still possible you can get it through the air, it's best to avoid people where you can. but I would not be super paranoid about it given what that doctor said as it largely boils down to touching ones face.
A choral group in the US met to sing in a Presbyterian church to practice. They went out of their way to avoid physical contact with each other. One person had covid 19 out of I think 60 that attended. 45 are now infected. 3 in critical care. 2 dead (so far). Air transmission. SOCIAL DISTANCING IS CRITICAL!!! Stop dangerously misleading people with one thing you saw on Fox fake News.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 30, 2020 20:13:32 GMT
lowtacks86 Keep in mind... he did not directly say not to social distance (so he never said anything directly against that in that video). but one can conclude that if the virus is 'almost exclusively from your hands' (his exact words) through touching ones face then one can reason out that being around people occasionally is not the end of the world IF your careful of where your hands have been, especially if your not around someone in a closed in area for too long etc as he was saying you generally got to be in a closed in room for at least 15-30+ minutes to maybe get it from breathing it in through the air (this does not mention sneezing which as a general rule it's best not to breathe that stuff in on a random flu season etc). but I am sure the mainstream media will always suggest the more extreme route to be extra safe and tell people to flat out avoid each other since many people will touch their face and won't be aware of where their hands have been. so I get their overly cautious mindset, but you can see my point here p.s. those who did not watch the video, it's... Dr. David Price from Weill Cornell Medical Center (which is in New York in Manhattan) ; He said, 'I work at probably the premier hospital in New York City' and said, 'Our hospital is almost exclusively a COVID-19 hospital'.
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Keep in mind the virus can live on surfaces for a while. so if they were touching pews etc they could have gotten it that way.
If you think a legitimate doctor, which I posted more info on him above, is "fake news" there is nothing I can say to change your mind. you just see 'Fox News' and automatically assume it's BS. but like I say, it's from a legit doctor who's basically on the front lines of it, so it's say to safe he's credible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 20:15:40 GMT
lowtacks86 Keep in mind... he did not directly say not to social distance (so he never said anything directly against that in that video). but one can conclude that if the virus is 'almost exclusively from your hands' (his exact words) through touching ones face then one can reason out that being around people occasionally is not the end of the world IF your careful of where your hands have been, especially if your not around someone in a closed in area for too long etc as he was saying you generally got to be in a closed in room for at least 15-30+ minutes to maybe get it from breathing it in through the air (this does not mention sneezing which as a general rule it's best not to breathe that stuff in on a random flu season etc). but I am sure the mainstream media will always suggest the more extreme route to be extra safe and tell people to flat out avoid each other since many people will touch their face and won't be aware of where their hands have been. so I get their overly cautious mindset, but you can see my point here p.s. those who did not watch the video, it's... Dr. David Price from Weill Cornell Medical Center (which is in New York in Manhattan) ; He said, 'I work at probably the premier hospital in New York City' and said, 'Our hospital is almost exclusively a COVID-19 hospital'.
@ned
Keep in mind the virus can live on surfaces for a while.
It wasn't on surfaces. One person was a super spreader with their breath.
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