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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 5:01:35 GMT
You do know what a Royal Rumble is yeah? toughness doesn't equate to shit, also ranged attacks mean nothing also given the relatively limited confines of the battle ground, think outside the box my man it aint about power, it's about who doesn't need "legs" Nebula can disconnect hers I bet for the match, and Groot can lop his off and grow them back after, they are near unbeatable in a rumble scenario. Depends which context we're taking "royal rumble". A "royal rumble" as used in common terms (especially in comic/movie versus matches) is simply a group fight between combatants where everyone fights for himself and the last man standing wins. That's the context which I based my answer on. If you're talking about a WWE-style Royal Rumble then it's not going to work, since there are guys that can simply fly and float around the place with their feet never touching the ground. Even if it's a wrestling royal rumble, some of the flyers like Thor or Captain Marvel can simply levitate above the ring (not breaking any rules) then start spamming their firepower on the ring. Toughness obviously comes into play there right? Or are you thinking that this is a pure hand to hand match? I have never heard someone use Royal Rumble and not be describing a wrestling over the top rope style match, Battle Royal or Royale on the other hand I get you, but this was referencing a Royal Rumble which is it's own beast and has specific rules imo.
The flyers have an advantage but how many times have we seen them get knocked to the ground anyway?, CM would seem to be a favourite due to her powerset and her durability but the likes of Strange and the fact she is so OP would mean she got ganged up on to be eliminated quick, and spamming power moves I would say would be outlawed as it would most likely destroy the ring, but in a generic battle roale setting I don't disagree with your pick, that shit was thought out nicely, but in a rumble? no legs dude gotta go with the no legs approach.
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 5:27:03 GMT
That's true.
There's a couple things you can do. Either they can reason it takes a flyer to take down a flyer. Or they can pile up on them to get them out. That would probably require a sacrifice from someone. Like if you throw Captain Marvel over the top rope and her instincts kick in and stops herself from falling, that's when Ant-Man ( or even Cap) jumps on her in that split second to take her down with them. They'll eliminate themselves but remove a huge threat in the process.
I'm working on the assumption they can't win from in the air. If it's down to someone who flies and say, Hulk, their ranged attacks from the air might not cut it. They'll have to come down.
Ok, let me revise my answer then to specifically fit a WWE Royal Rumble. I will go further and remove flying and teleporting/portal abilities because that's just cheating and will make this a boring fight. Let's say the ring size is also adjusted so we can compensate all combatants and make it indestructible. First, we know that there will automatically be factions. 1. Cap, Bucky, Falcon, Sharon Rogers 2. Black Panther, Shuri, Okoye and M'Baku (can probably join group 1 to form a bigger group) 3. Black Widow and Hawkeye (can also possibly join group 1) 4. Vision and Wanda 5. Ironman, Warmachine, Spiderman, Pepper Potts 6. Thor, Hulk, Loki, Valkyrie + any of the other Asgardians like the Warriors 3 and Sif) 7. Quill, Gamora, Drax, Groot, Rocket, Mantis, Nebula 8. Dr. Strange, Ancient One, Wong 9. Antman and Wasp (might be convinced to join group #1) 10. Captain Marvel (doesn't seem to be friends with enough people to group up) Group 1 seems like they'd be the most numerous, especially when the merge with other groups. Problem is they're also the weakest, and if Thor does even one of his lightning-charged ground slams then pretty much all of them are eliminated. In fact, because flying and portals are taken out, I'd say anyone who doesn't have power jumping abilities or shielding abilities will immediately be eliminated with one or two of Thor's ground slams. That means groups 1-3 are immediately eliminated. Probably even Antman and Wasp. Without flight, a lightning slam like that would either throw Antman and Wasp out of the ring or outright electrocute them. Antman has a chance if he goes Giantman but there are far too many people here with long range attacks that can easily topple him. Ironman's team has some pretty serious firepower and strength, problem is without flight they're actually pretty lumbering on the ground. I don't think they have enough mobility to keep up with the other combatants and they'll eventually get thrown out of the ring. Only Spiderman survives from that team. The GoTG also won't last that long. They're stronger than the human teams (1-3) but they're not strong enough to keep up with the Revengers. They get taken out. So basically the factions remaining will be: WandaVision, the Revengers, the Sorcerers, Captain Marvel and Spiderman. Spiderman is tough to take out, what with his heightened agility and reflexes plus his webslinging. Problem is he's now alone, and he won't be able to do much when people team-up against him. Ditto for Captain Marvel. As strong as she is (and her energy absorption abilities would come in really handy), she's alone in this match and the'll get overpowered and thrown out. Now we're down to WandaVision, the Sorcerers and the Revengers. If we take out teleporting and creation of portals (and the mirror dimension) then the Sorcerers doesn't have the weapons to get rid of the others. Their shields are very strong but they lack offensive attacks to throw out the others. They'll last for a bit but eventually they either get knocked out or thrown out. Wanda will be a real pain in the ass in this fight, as her TK will allow her to throw people around and even float herself back into the ring. But like I said previously, she's still a glass canon and if she's not on-point with her shields during the entire fight then she can easily get punched or thrown out of the ring. Vision could have been a winner. He just stays in phase mode and let everyone duke it out till the end. Problem again is Thor can electrocute him. So he's gone as well. Which means that the Revengers are the last group remaining. Even if the other teams gang up on them right at the very start, I doubt they have enough damage output to kick them out of the ring. So now the Revengers take on each other. Hulk gets eliminated first. He's not as quick as the others, not as skilled and definitely not as smart. Valkyrie goes out next. She's more skilled than Loki but doesn't have his magic or illusions. Those illusions will be a pain to deal with in this scenario. Of course, once it's just Loki and Thor, Thor can just keep spamming his lightning. Doesn't matter how many illusions Loki makes, he'll eventually get hit and will be sent flying. So in the end, here's your winner:  Edit: Actually, I've changed my mind. Loki will probably backstab Thor just as they're throwing out Valkyrie or Hulk. So Loki for the win.  You seem to misunderstand something about a Royal Rumble, all entrants are not in play at the same time, it's timed entrances, so that plays a factor, also likelihood is Cap and his group could team with Team Iron Man early on to take out the more powerful foes like Thor and the others, Thor's power is mighty but so is he's ego and showmanship, he could easily open himself up to getting bumrushed over the top rope during his entrance if you have 2 or 3 of the power level of Cap/T'Challa and above.
The Sorcerers have more fire power than you think, again doubling up or more they can easily wrap up opponents in the bands like Strange did Thanos and just throw them out that way, Asguardians and such are powerful they aren't heavy however, Spidey is a key player his agility makes him the Kofi Kingston + HBK of a MCU Rumble even if you toss him 10 ft's out of the ring the little sod can make it back in no problem, his webs make for perfect blinding moves which can throw off tougher foes as well as provide him the leverage he needs to overpower the mightiest powerhouses in split second attacks, also spidey sense is the ultimate defence even if say CM tries to do a solar flare type move or Loki tries playing mind games, the Iron Man team are also quicker than you think, they may not be allowed to fly doesn't mean they cannot use their boosters for speed however or to cancel out momentum if someone is trying to throw them out.
People like Ant-Man, Wasp, Spidey, Loki, Rocket have a natural ability to play the stealth game, Groot & possibly Nebula have the ability to get rid of their feet which means they are immune from elimination also, the big power players are too obvious and will eliminate each other way too easily imo, I would say the final 4 would come down to Groot, Nebula/Rocket, Spidey and Wasp/Loki likely winner imo being Nebula/Rocket as either Nebula would get Groot to eliminate himself because he can regrow his legs she can't and Groot would just eliminate himself to give Rocket the win.
That is if the draw is kind to them which it may not be so who knows.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 27, 2020 8:06:12 GMT
Ok, let me revise my answer then to specifically fit a WWE Royal Rumble. I will go further and remove flying and teleporting/portal abilities because that's just cheating and will make this a boring fight. Let's say the ring size is also adjusted so we can compensate all combatants and make it indestructible. First, we know that there will automatically be factions. 1. Cap, Bucky, Falcon, Sharon Rogers 2. Black Panther, Shuri, Okoye and M'Baku (can probably join group 1 to form a bigger group) 3. Black Widow and Hawkeye (can also possibly join group 1) 4. Vision and Wanda 5. Ironman, Warmachine, Spiderman, Pepper Potts 6. Thor, Hulk, Loki, Valkyrie + any of the other Asgardians like the Warriors 3 and Sif) 7. Quill, Gamora, Drax, Groot, Rocket, Mantis, Nebula 8. Dr. Strange, Ancient One, Wong 9. Antman and Wasp (might be convinced to join group #1) 10. Captain Marvel (doesn't seem to be friends with enough people to group up) Group 1 seems like they'd be the most numerous, especially when the merge with other groups. Problem is they're also the weakest, and if Thor does even one of his lightning-charged ground slams then pretty much all of them are eliminated. In fact, because flying and portals are taken out, I'd say anyone who doesn't have power jumping abilities or shielding abilities will immediately be eliminated with one or two of Thor's ground slams. That means groups 1-3 are immediately eliminated. Probably even Antman and Wasp. Without flight, a lightning slam like that would either throw Antman and Wasp out of the ring or outright electrocute them. Antman has a chance if he goes Giantman but there are far too many people here with long range attacks that can easily topple him. Ironman's team has some pretty serious firepower and strength, problem is without flight they're actually pretty lumbering on the ground. I don't think they have enough mobility to keep up with the other combatants and they'll eventually get thrown out of the ring. Only Spiderman survives from that team. The GoTG also won't last that long. They're stronger than the human teams (1-3) but they're not strong enough to keep up with the Revengers. They get taken out. So basically the factions remaining will be: WandaVision, the Revengers, the Sorcerers, Captain Marvel and Spiderman. Spiderman is tough to take out, what with his heightened agility and reflexes plus his webslinging. Problem is he's now alone, and he won't be able to do much when people team-up against him. Ditto for Captain Marvel. As strong as she is (and her energy absorption abilities would come in really handy), she's alone in this match and the'll get overpowered and thrown out. Now we're down to WandaVision, the Sorcerers and the Revengers. If we take out teleporting and creation of portals (and the mirror dimension) then the Sorcerers doesn't have the weapons to get rid of the others. Their shields are very strong but they lack offensive attacks to throw out the others. They'll last for a bit but eventually they either get knocked out or thrown out. Wanda will be a real pain in the ass in this fight, as her TK will allow her to throw people around and even float herself back into the ring. But like I said previously, she's still a glass canon and if she's not on-point with her shields during the entire fight then she can easily get punched or thrown out of the ring. Vision could have been a winner. He just stays in phase mode and let everyone duke it out till the end. Problem again is Thor can electrocute him. So he's gone as well. Which means that the Revengers are the last group remaining. Even if the other teams gang up on them right at the very start, I doubt they have enough damage output to kick them out of the ring. So now the Revengers take on each other. Hulk gets eliminated first. He's not as quick as the others, not as skilled and definitely not as smart. Valkyrie goes out next. She's more skilled than Loki but doesn't have his magic or illusions. Those illusions will be a pain to deal with in this scenario. Of course, once it's just Loki and Thor, Thor can just keep spamming his lightning. Doesn't matter how many illusions Loki makes, he'll eventually get hit and will be sent flying. So in the end, here's your winner: Edit: Actually, I've changed my mind. Loki will probably backstab Thor just as they're throwing out Valkyrie or Hulk. So Loki for the win. You seem to misunderstand something about a Royal Rumble, all entrants are not in play at the same time, it's timed entrances, so that plays a factor, also likelihood is Cap and his group could team with Team Iron Man early on to take out the more powerful foes like Thor and the others, Thor's power is mighty but so is he's ego and showmanship, he could easily open himself up to getting bumrushed over the top rope during his entrance if you have 2 or 3 of the power level of Cap/T'Challa and above.
The Sorcerers have more fire power than you think, again doubling up or more they can easily wrap up opponents in the bands like Strange did Thanos and just throw them out that way, Asguardians and such are powerful they aren't heavy however, Spidey is a key player his agility makes him the Kofi Kingston + HBK of a MCU Rumble even if you toss him 10 ft's out of the ring the little sod can make it back in no problem, his webs make for perfect blinding moves which can throw off tougher foes as well as provide him the leverage he needs to overpower the mightiest powerhouses in split second attacks, also spidey sense is the ultimate defence even if say CM tries to do a solar flare type move or Loki tries playing mind games, the Iron Man team are also quicker than you think, they may not be allowed to fly doesn't mean they cannot use their boosters for speed however or to cancel out momentum if someone is trying to throw them out.
People like Ant-Man, Wasp, Spidey, Loki, Rocket have a natural ability to play the stealth game, Groot & possibly Nebula have the ability to get rid of their feet which means they are immune from elimination also, the big power players are too obvious and will eliminate each other way too easily imo, I would say the final 4 would come down to Groot, Nebula/Rocket, Spidey and Wasp/Loki likely winner imo being Nebula/Rocket as either Nebula would get Groot to eliminate himself because he can regrow his legs she can't and Groot would just eliminate himself to give Rocket the win.
That is if the draw is kind to them which it may not be so who knows.
What do you think happens to these players you mention if Thor does a lightning ground slam in the ring like he did in Wakanda? Or if he starts spamming lightning from all around his body like he did at the Bifrost battle? Groot, Nebula, Rocket and Wasp are not going to survive that. Thor might have a bit of an ego but I don't ever recall him showboating, not even in the first movie. He certainly had no hesitations to completely spam lightning in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 27, 2020 13:09:37 GMT
Also Vision has a weakness for Wanda and his concentration is compromised when Wanda is hurt. So take out Wanda and it would be a perfect time to take out Vision.
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 13:23:50 GMT
You seem to misunderstand something about a Royal Rumble, all entrants are not in play at the same time, it's timed entrances, so that plays a factor, also likelihood is Cap and his group could team with Team Iron Man early on to take out the more powerful foes like Thor and the others, Thor's power is mighty but so is he's ego and showmanship, he could easily open himself up to getting bumrushed over the top rope during his entrance if you have 2 or 3 of the power level of Cap/T'Challa and above.
The Sorcerers have more fire power than you think, again doubling up or more they can easily wrap up opponents in the bands like Strange did Thanos and just throw them out that way, Asguardians and such are powerful they aren't heavy however, Spidey is a key player his agility makes him the Kofi Kingston + HBK of a MCU Rumble even if you toss him 10 ft's out of the ring the little sod can make it back in no problem, his webs make for perfect blinding moves which can throw off tougher foes as well as provide him the leverage he needs to overpower the mightiest powerhouses in split second attacks, also spidey sense is the ultimate defence even if say CM tries to do a solar flare type move or Loki tries playing mind games, the Iron Man team are also quicker than you think, they may not be allowed to fly doesn't mean they cannot use their boosters for speed however or to cancel out momentum if someone is trying to throw them out.
People like Ant-Man, Wasp, Spidey, Loki, Rocket have a natural ability to play the stealth game, Groot & possibly Nebula have the ability to get rid of their feet which means they are immune from elimination also, the big power players are too obvious and will eliminate each other way too easily imo, I would say the final 4 would come down to Groot, Nebula/Rocket, Spidey and Wasp/Loki likely winner imo being Nebula/Rocket as either Nebula would get Groot to eliminate himself because he can regrow his legs she can't and Groot would just eliminate himself to give Rocket the win.
That is if the draw is kind to them which it may not be so who knows.
What do you think happens to these players you mention if Thor does a lightning ground slam in the ring like he did in Wakanda? Or if he starts spamming lightning from all around his body like he did at the Bifrost battle? Groot, Nebula, Rocket and Wasp are not going to survive that. Thor might have a bit of an ego but I don't ever recall him showboating, not even in the first movie. He certainly had no hesitations to completely spam lightning in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. In Thor 1 he was showboating during his coronation ceremony, Thor would imo look at this as a friendly game and with a huge audience cheering I don't doubt he would showboat and be caught off guard, I also don't see him spamming lightning against these guys, even if he did many can dodge that stuff, Spidey could, Rocket & Nebula too imo, Wasp & Antman can get so small Thor could feasibly believe he incinerated them also.
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 13:26:15 GMT
Also Vision has a weakness for Wanda and his concentration is compromised when Wanda is hurt. So take out Wanda and it would be a perfect time to take out Vision. Which only is a factor if they are in the ring at the same time, again the Rumble style can eliminate this weakness, Battle Royal style however and yeah Vision is out the second after Wanda is and that's only if Wanda doesn't eliminate him herself by forcing him to phase through the rin onto the floor, devious little witch she is.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Mar 27, 2020 13:31:53 GMT
This thread gets an early nomination for Best Thread of 2020. 
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 27, 2020 15:10:44 GMT
What do you think happens to these players you mention if Thor does a lightning ground slam in the ring like he did in Wakanda? Or if he starts spamming lightning from all around his body like he did at the Bifrost battle? Groot, Nebula, Rocket and Wasp are not going to survive that. Thor might have a bit of an ego but I don't ever recall him showboating, not even in the first movie. He certainly had no hesitations to completely spam lightning in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. In Thor 1 he was showboating during his coronation ceremony, Thor would imo look at this as a friendly game and with a huge audience cheering I don't doubt he would showboat and be caught off guard, I also don't see him spamming lightning against these guys, even if he did many can dodge that stuff, Spidey could, Rocket & Nebula too imo, Wasp & Antman can get so small Thor could feasibly believe he incinerated them also.
That was a Coronation ceremony. This is a fight. Thor has never showboated during a fight. You're adjusting his personality just to give the others a shot. Also not sure how you think land-based individuals can dodge a ground slam or a lightning blast big enough to encompass the whole ring. |
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 15:25:17 GMT
In Thor 1 he was showboating during his coronation ceremony, Thor would imo look at this as a friendly game and with a huge audience cheering I don't doubt he would showboat and be caught off guard, I also don't see him spamming lightning against these guys, even if he did many can dodge that stuff, Spidey could, Rocket & Nebula too imo, Wasp & Antman can get so small Thor could feasibly believe he incinerated them also.
That was a Coronation ceremony. This is a fight. Thor has never showboated during a fight. You're adjusting his personality just to give the others a shot. Also not sure how you think land-based individuals can dodge a ground slam or a lightning blast big enough to encompass the whole ring. No im not I am saying this isn't a to the death fight, and if Thor was coming in against say Cap, T'Challa and Stark I doubt he would be overly cautious and he would want to grand stand a little, Thor is cocky and when theres no serious threat he wont go in serious imo.
You are acting as if he's going to enter a rumble against his pals the same way he came into the battle of Wakanda, same with his power level of attacks, Thor wont be trying to kill people which that huge a blast of lightning would, my thinking is he'd use low level blasts for the most part and singular blast, the likes that wouldn't kill his friends, only ones I see him using heavy attacks on are the likes of CM and Hulk maybe Vision also because they are durable enough to take such blows.
You are thinking of this as a death match, it's a royal rumble, you throw someone outside of a ring to win not kill them, the reduced threat level puts Thor at a disadvantage because he shouldn't and imo wouldn't try murdering his friends to win.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 27, 2020 16:21:42 GMT
That was a Coronation ceremony. This is a fight. Thor has never showboated during a fight. You're adjusting his personality just to give the others a shot. Also not sure how you think land-based individuals can dodge a ground slam or a lightning blast big enough to encompass the whole ring. No im not I am saying this isn't a to the death fight, and if Thor was coming in against say Cap, T'Challa and Stark I doubt he would be overly cautious and he would want to grand stand a little, Thor is cocky and when theres no serious threat he wont go in serious imo.
You are acting as if he's going to enter a rumble against his pals the same way he came into the battle of Wakanda, same with his power level of attacks, Thor wont be trying to kill people which that huge a blast of lightning would, my thinking is he'd use low level blasts for the most part and singular blast, the likes that wouldn't kill his friends, only ones I see him using heavy attacks on are the likes of CM and Hulk maybe Vision also because they are durable enough to take such blows.
You are thinking of this as a death match, it's a royal rumble, you throw someone outside of a ring to win not kill them, the reduced threat level puts Thor at a disadvantage because he shouldn't and imo wouldn't try murdering his friends to win.
When a character never does something in the movies and you claim he will do so here (showboating in the middle of a fight) then you are clearly adjusting his personality to fit your narrative. Thor doesn't showboat in a fight, not even against friends like Hulk in Ragnarok. He may try to chat with them, he might not go all out, but he has never showboated. Many people in this match have egos but very few of them actually showboat in the middle of a fight. What you're basically saying then is that you want to nerf Thor and put a handicap on him by saying he would only be using a fraction of his powerset because he's fighting against friends... yet for some reason I don't see you applying that same logic to the others here. But sure, yeah, if we're handicapping Thor by not allowing him to use his full powers (but not applying the same rules to others) then obviously he won't win.
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 16:55:10 GMT
No im not I am saying this isn't a to the death fight, and if Thor was coming in against say Cap, T'Challa and Stark I doubt he would be overly cautious and he would want to grand stand a little, Thor is cocky and when theres no serious threat he wont go in serious imo.
You are acting as if he's going to enter a rumble against his pals the same way he came into the battle of Wakanda, same with his power level of attacks, Thor wont be trying to kill people which that huge a blast of lightning would, my thinking is he'd use low level blasts for the most part and singular blast, the likes that wouldn't kill his friends, only ones I see him using heavy attacks on are the likes of CM and Hulk maybe Vision also because they are durable enough to take such blows.
You are thinking of this as a death match, it's a royal rumble, you throw someone outside of a ring to win not kill them, the reduced threat level puts Thor at a disadvantage because he shouldn't and imo wouldn't try murdering his friends to win.
When a character never does something in the movies and you claim he will do so here (showboating in the middle of a fight) then you are clearly adjusting his personality to fit your narrative. Thor doesn't showboat in a fight, not even against friends like Hulk in Ragnarok. He may try to chat with them, he might not go all out, but he has never showboated. Many people in this match have egos but very few of them actually showboat in the middle of a fight. What you're basically saying then is that you want to nerf Thor and put a handicap on him by saying he would only be using a fraction of his powerset because he's fighting against friends... yet for some reason I don't see you applying that same logic to the others here. But sure, yeah, if we're handicapping Thor by not allowing him to use his full powers (but not applying the same rules to others) then obviously he won't win. In that case you nerfed others to prop up Thor because vision can just phase into his chest and rip his heart out, no I gave you a reason as to why I think Thor would get potentially taken out, in a specific circumstance, a WWE style Royal Rumble, which imo includes the crowd, against his friends where he isn't going to go in like it's a life or death match, Thor is going into a entertainment matchup and I think he would showboat during his entrance and get brushed out if the right competitors were against him.
When has Thor EVER used lethal force outside of life and death scenarios? you made him fucking psychotic to win, the things you used as examples were him killing fools, which seems more likely Thor takes it to lightly and gets surprised by his pals taking it serious ala Ragnarok, or Thor looking at his pals as if they were Thanos's army and murdering them to win an event?
And in Thor 1 he shows this repeatedly in the fight with the Ice Giants, a little in Thor 2 he even gets bumrushed in Thor 2 when talking to Sif and almost gets a spear to the head if not for her for not paying attention, and these are more serious instances, this is a light hearted skirmish between friends, I do not know why you expect him to go in like it's a battle against Thanos and the likes mate except you simply want him to win and that how you justify it.
Also complaining about me nerfing Thor for a reason, and even then only the lethality of his blasts, as opposed to you actually discounting the sorcerer's entire powerset to make them useless, or Visions abilities with the justifier thaty Thor's lightning will fry him even though Vision could feasibly just phase through them, he can phase through electrical systems in walls and stuff no problem and he had to be tangible for Clint's electro arrows to hurt him, suggest to me he's immune to electricity when phasing, but you nerfed him to favour Thor, so don't go giving me the dreaded stink eye mate when you is doing what you is accusing me of but far worse you little scallywag.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 27, 2020 17:09:48 GMT
When a character never does something in the movies and you claim he will do so here (showboating in the middle of a fight) then you are clearly adjusting his personality to fit your narrative. Thor doesn't showboat in a fight, not even against friends like Hulk in Ragnarok. He may try to chat with them, he might not go all out, but he has never showboated. Many people in this match have egos but very few of them actually showboat in the middle of a fight. What you're basically saying then is that you want to nerf Thor and put a handicap on him by saying he would only be using a fraction of his powerset because he's fighting against friends... yet for some reason I don't see you applying that same logic to the others here. But sure, yeah, if we're handicapping Thor by not allowing him to use his full powers (but not applying the same rules to others) then obviously he won't win. In that case you nerfed others to prop up Thor because vision can just phase into his chest and rip his heart out, no I gave you a reason as to why I think Thor would get potentially taken out, in a specific circumstance, a WWE style Royal Rumble, which imo includes the crowd, against his friends where he isn't going to go in like it's a life or death match, Thor is going into a entertainment matchup and I think he would showboat during his entrance and get brushed out if the right competitors were against him.
When has Thor EVER used lethal force outside of life and death scenarios? you made him fucking psychotic to win, the things you used as examples were him killing fools, which seems more likely Thor takes it to lightly and gets surprised by his pals taking it serious ala Ragnarok, or Thor looking at his pals as if they were Thanos's army and murdering them to win an event?
And in Thor 1 he shows this repeatedly in the fight with the Ice Giants, a little in Thor 2 he even gets bumrushed in Thor 2 when talking to Sif and almost gets a spear to the head if not for her for not paying attention, and these are more serious instances, this is a light hearted skirmish between friends, I do not know why you expect him to go in like it's a battle against Thanos and the likes mate except you simply want him to win and that how you justify it.
I didn't nerf anyone, other than removing flight and teleporting as that would make a WWE Royal Rumble pointless. Vision can't phase a hand through Thor's chest because Vision is weak against electricity and as of Ragnarok, Thor has been able to coat himself in lightning. Saying Vision is immune to electricity is not supported by on-screen feats. The voltage found in household wiring circuits is nowhere near the voltage used in tasers (which I assume Clint's arrows were at least similar to) and absolutely nowhere near the voltage of lightnings. The sorcerer's main mode of attack is teleporting. Without that what else did Dr. Strange show? That he can lock someone in place with his bands? Great... he never showed he can throw someone with them right? Thor had no problems using lightning on Ironman or Loki and had no issues hitting Hulk as hard as he could. Claiming what he will or won't do against friends is pointless because he has very very few instances in the movies where he fought against friends. I'm not making him fight like a psychopath, I'm merely describing him like he normally fights. Just in the same way I'm describing the others like they normally fight yet for some reason you only seem to be nerfing Thor. Why? Look, all I'm doing here is taking each of the characters at their BEST and comparing them with each other, as I believe that's the fairest way to judge it. Trying to figure out how much each of them may or may not pull their punches or at what percent they're willing to fight against their friends is very subjective and will end-up making you biased. So I judge them based on what we've seen them show on screen, at their best... and as far as the heroes go, Thor has the most impressive feats. Captain Marvel is also very impressive (maybe even moreso) but she loses simply because she has no friends to watch her back. And I don't think we agree with what showboating means. Taunting your enemies (like Thor did against the frost giants) and chatting with your friends (like he did in the opening battle in TDW) while in the middle of a fight isn't showboating. Showboating is like Quill dancing in the middle of a fight or Loki grandstanding. In any case, Thor knows this team and knows that he needs to take it seriously. Are you really telling me that he'll be showboating even when he knows the power levels of guys like Ironman, Vision, Wanda, Hulk, Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel?
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 18:07:05 GMT
In that case you nerfed others to prop up Thor because vision can just phase into his chest and rip his heart out, no I gave you a reason as to why I think Thor would get potentially taken out, in a specific circumstance, a WWE style Royal Rumble, which imo includes the crowd, against his friends where he isn't going to go in like it's a life or death match, Thor is going into a entertainment matchup and I think he would showboat during his entrance and get brushed out if the right competitors were against him.
When has Thor EVER used lethal force outside of life and death scenarios? you made him fucking psychotic to win, the things you used as examples were him killing fools, which seems more likely Thor takes it to lightly and gets surprised by his pals taking it serious ala Ragnarok, or Thor looking at his pals as if they were Thanos's army and murdering them to win an event?
And in Thor 1 he shows this repeatedly in the fight with the Ice Giants, a little in Thor 2 he even gets bumrushed in Thor 2 when talking to Sif and almost gets a spear to the head if not for her for not paying attention, and these are more serious instances, this is a light hearted skirmish between friends, I do not know why you expect him to go in like it's a battle against Thanos and the likes mate except you simply want him to win and that how you justify it.
I didn't nerf anyone, other than removing flight and teleporting as that would make a WWE Royal Rumble pointless. Vision can't phase a hand through Thor's chest because Vision is weak against electricity and as of Ragnarok, Thor has been able to coat himself in lightning. Saying Vision is immune to electricity is not supported by on-screen feats. The voltage found in household wiring circuits is nowhere near the voltage used in tasers (which I assume Clint's arrows were at least similar to) and absolutely nowhere near the voltage of lightnings. The sorcerer's main mode of attack is teleporting. Without that what else did Dr. Strange show? That he can lock someone in place with his bands? Great... he never showed he can throw someone with them right? Thor had no problems using lightning on Ironman or Loki and had no issues hitting Hulk as hard as he could. Claiming what he will or won't do against friends is pointless because he has very very few instances in the movies where he fought against friends. I'm not making him fight like a psychopath, I'm merely describing him like he normally fights. Just in the same way I'm describing the others like they normally fight yet for some reason you only seem to be nerfing Thor. Why? If you're saying that Thor will be only fighting at 50% capacity since they're against his friends then the same should be true for the rest of the combatants as well. Why only pick on Thor? And I don't think we agree with what showboating means. Taunting your enemies (like Thor did against the frost giants) and chatting with your friends (like he did in the opening battle in TDW) while in the middle of a fight isn't showboating. Showboating is like Quill dancing in the middle of a fight or Loki grandstanding. In any case, Thor knows this team and knows that he needs to take it seriously. Are you really telling me that he'll be showboating even when he knows the power levels of guys like Ironman, Vision, Wanda, Hulk, Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel? Look, all I'm doing here is taking each of the characters at their BEST and comparing them with each other, as I believe that's the fairest way to judge it. Trying to figure out how each of them would feel fighting friends and how much each of them may or may not pull their punches is very subjective and will end-up making you biased. So I judge them based on what we've seen them show on screen... and as far as the heroes go, Thor has the most impressive feats. Captain Marvel is also very impressive (maybe even moreso) but she loses simply because she has no friends to watch her back. No I am saying he wont use lethal force against everyone like you are claiming he will do, also he wasn't friends with Iron Man and he did hold back fighting Loki, only one he went whole hog on was Hulk because A: Hulk was seemingly willing to beat him to death and B: he knows Hulk is tough enough to take it.
I never said Thor's power would be limited, he's still as strong as he is, but with that he can regulate his power punch for punch, a massive lightning blast encompassing a ring powerful enough to take out the likes of the tougher fighters is going to KILL the weaker ones, blast that will only stun or knock out the weaker ones wont do shit to the stronger ones hence me saying he wont be using them because they will only be half effective or they will be lethal.
Also YOU said showboating I said showmanship, and ego, Thor did show off his ego repeatedly in taunting people, he also showed off his showmanship at his coronation, as well as him challenging people after taking out the big guy in Thor 2, what you are not getting mate is power doesn't mean shit in a Rumble, if it did Big Show, Kane and Braun Strowman would be winners of every rumble match for the last 20 years, powerhouses get ganged up on, they get caught off guard, Thor knocks "everyone" out and he'll get cocky thinking he has it won, but he doesn't notice Spidey, Groot, Rocket, Vision, Ant Man any of whom could have been hiding and use the chance to rush Thor out of the ring as he's "cleaning" up or even celebrating thinking he has won, Thor is also not the brightest bulb at times, he could enter #10 knock out and eliminate entrants 1-8 and not realise that doesn't matter the 20 other entrants need to still enter for the match to end and he starts celebrating leaving himself vulnerable.
TBH Thor & Hulk would likely eliminate each other even if they did try teaming up, or Banner would eliminate Thor by out smarting him if it's Professor Hulk.
Vision being "weak" to electricity in a phased form isn't proven, also you say voltage in households that's the Avengers base, I doubt Tony has it wired to your normal standards given the nonsense he tends to get up to, but Vision is still able to still move whilst being shocked, and with the mind stone can blast Thor who would be likely the only one capable of touching Vision whilst he is being shocked, which seemed to need to be a constant to even stall him, the taser arrows didn't bring him to his knee's just locked him up a little, I mean Thor's blasts cannot destroy Vibranium which Vision is and I doubt lightning is more powerful than the Mind Stone so a lightning proof android with an Infinity Gem seems to have an edge over the lord of thunder in my books.
And again you take no consideration for the rumble aspect itself, Thor could enter No.1 and CM No.2, friends then don't mean squat, so how things play out in terms of friends is also subjective because you had to decided yeah ok Thor is going to have all these friends backing him up, whilst in actuality that could very well not be the case and 2 of his friends like to fuck with him a lot anyway so you picked Thor just because you wanted to, like I said Battle Royale I don't disagree with the choice tbh, Rumble however I think you utterly miss the point.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 27, 2020 18:59:37 GMT
I didn't nerf anyone, other than removing flight and teleporting as that would make a WWE Royal Rumble pointless. Vision can't phase a hand through Thor's chest because Vision is weak against electricity and as of Ragnarok, Thor has been able to coat himself in lightning. Saying Vision is immune to electricity is not supported by on-screen feats. The voltage found in household wiring circuits is nowhere near the voltage used in tasers (which I assume Clint's arrows were at least similar to) and absolutely nowhere near the voltage of lightnings. The sorcerer's main mode of attack is teleporting. Without that what else did Dr. Strange show? That he can lock someone in place with his bands? Great... he never showed he can throw someone with them right? Thor had no problems using lightning on Ironman or Loki and had no issues hitting Hulk as hard as he could. Claiming what he will or won't do against friends is pointless because he has very very few instances in the movies where he fought against friends. I'm not making him fight like a psychopath, I'm merely describing him like he normally fights. Just in the same way I'm describing the others like they normally fight yet for some reason you only seem to be nerfing Thor. Why? If you're saying that Thor will be only fighting at 50% capacity since they're against his friends then the same should be true for the rest of the combatants as well. Why only pick on Thor? And I don't think we agree with what showboating means. Taunting your enemies (like Thor did against the frost giants) and chatting with your friends (like he did in the opening battle in TDW) while in the middle of a fight isn't showboating. Showboating is like Quill dancing in the middle of a fight or Loki grandstanding. In any case, Thor knows this team and knows that he needs to take it seriously. Are you really telling me that he'll be showboating even when he knows the power levels of guys like Ironman, Vision, Wanda, Hulk, Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel? Look, all I'm doing here is taking each of the characters at their BEST and comparing them with each other, as I believe that's the fairest way to judge it. Trying to figure out how each of them would feel fighting friends and how much each of them may or may not pull their punches is very subjective and will end-up making you biased. So I judge them based on what we've seen them show on screen... and as far as the heroes go, Thor has the most impressive feats. Captain Marvel is also very impressive (maybe even moreso) but she loses simply because she has no friends to watch her back. No I am saying he wont use lethal force against everyone like you are claiming he will do, also he wasn't friends with Iron Man and he did hold back fighting Loki, only one he went whole hog on was Hulk because A: Hulk was seemingly willing to beat him to death and B: he knows Hulk is tough enough to take it.
I never said Thor's power would be limited, he's still as strong as he is, but with that he can regulate his power punch for punch, a massive lightning blast encompassing a ring powerful enough to take out the likes of the tougher fighters is going to KILL the weaker ones, blast that will only stun or knock out the weaker ones wont do shit to the stronger ones hence me saying he wont be using them because they will only be half effective or they will be lethal.
Also YOU said showboating I said showmanship, and ego, Thor did show off his ego repeatedly in taunting people, he also showed off his showmanship at his coronation, as well as him challenging people after taking out the big guy in Thor 2, what you are not getting mate is power doesn't mean shit in a Rumble, if it did Big Show, Kane and Braun Strowman would be winners of every rumble match for the last 20 years, powerhouses get ganged up on, they get caught off guard, Thor knocks "everyone" out and he'll get cocky thinking he has it won, but he doesn't notice Spidey, Groot, Rocket, Vision, Ant Man any of whom could have been hiding and use the chance to rush Thor out of the ring as he's "cleaning" up or even celebrating thinking he has won, Thor is also not the brightest bulb at times, he could enter #10 knock out and eliminate entrants 1-8 and not realise that doesn't matter the 20 other entrants need to still enter for the match to end and he starts celebrating leaving himself vulnerable.
TBH Thor & Hulk would likely eliminate each other even if they did try teaming up, or Banner would eliminate Thor by out smarting him if it's Professor Hulk.
Vision being "weak" to electricity in a phased form isn't proven, also you say voltage in households that's the Avengers base, I doubt Tony has it wired to your normal standards given the nonsense he tends to get up to, but Vision is still able to still move whilst being shocked, and with the mind stone can blast Thor who would be likely the only one capable of touching Vision whilst he is being shocked, which seemed to need to be a constant to even stall him, the taser arrows didn't bring him to his knee's just locked him up a little, I mean Thor's blasts cannot destroy Vibranium which Vision is and I doubt lightning is more powerful than the Mind Stone so a lightning proof android with an Infinity Gem seems to have an edge over the lord of thunder in my books.
And again you take no consideration for the rumble aspect itself, Thor could enter No.1 and CM No.2, friends then don't mean squat, so how things play out in terms of friends is also subjective because you had to decided yeah ok Thor is going to have all these friends backing him up, whilst in actuality that could very well not be the case and 2 of his friends like to fuck with him a lot anyway so you picked Thor just because you wanted to, like I said Battle Royale I don't disagree with the choice tbh, Rumble however I think you utterly miss the point.
Ever hear of the term "proving a negative"? It's a logical fallacy where, instead of someone providing proof of their claim, they ask their counterpart to disprove them instead even when there is nothing there to disprove. For example: Person 1: "I have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Prove it" Person 1: "No, you prove that I don't have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Huh?" Person 1: "If you can't prove that I don't have a million dollars, that must mean that I actually do have 1 million dollars." Similarly in our discussion: Me: "Vision has been proven to be weak against electricity." You: "He is invulnerable to electricity while phasing." Me: "Prove it" You: "No, you prove that he's vulnerable while he's phasing. If you can't prove it, then he must not be vulnerable while he's phasing." Basically what I'm saying is, if you want to claim that Vision is invulnerable to electricity while phasing, you actually need to provide proof to back this up. Burden of proof lies with the person who makes the claim. I claimed he was vulnerable to electricity and backed up my claim with proof. You want to claim he isn't, you back yourself up with proof. And no, comparing a 120v house-wiring to at least a 50,000 volt taser arrow is not "proof". I don't care how many inventions Tony Stark has, only a complete idiot would allow 50,000 volts to run freely throughout the walls of his house. And that's not even considering that lightning bolts pack up to a billion volts. As for WWE Rumbles, of course power doesn't mean shit. That stuff is fake. You don't win because you're stronger or faster or more skilled than the other guys. You win because the the execs decided that you should win and updated the script to make it so. I'm seriously hoping that's not what we're doing here. That, even if we're talking about a fictional match, we're at least treating each character fairly. I think you're missing the point of a Royal Rumble where contenders are all mostly super powered. Gimping the more powerful ones of their power because "they don't want to kill their friends" is like telling all heavyweight wrestlers that they can't hit with their entire strength because they might kill the middle-weight wrestlers. It removes the point of this fictional match. You want to discuss superpowered beings fairly, you allow them to use their powers to the best of their abilities. Otherwise what's the point? Might as well say that Black Widow wins because none of the others would want to use their powers on her.
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 20:04:28 GMT
No I am saying he wont use lethal force against everyone like you are claiming he will do, also he wasn't friends with Iron Man and he did hold back fighting Loki, only one he went whole hog on was Hulk because A: Hulk was seemingly willing to beat him to death and B: he knows Hulk is tough enough to take it.
I never said Thor's power would be limited, he's still as strong as he is, but with that he can regulate his power punch for punch, a massive lightning blast encompassing a ring powerful enough to take out the likes of the tougher fighters is going to KILL the weaker ones, blast that will only stun or knock out the weaker ones wont do shit to the stronger ones hence me saying he wont be using them because they will only be half effective or they will be lethal.
Also YOU said showboating I said showmanship, and ego, Thor did show off his ego repeatedly in taunting people, he also showed off his showmanship at his coronation, as well as him challenging people after taking out the big guy in Thor 2, what you are not getting mate is power doesn't mean shit in a Rumble, if it did Big Show, Kane and Braun Strowman would be winners of every rumble match for the last 20 years, powerhouses get ganged up on, they get caught off guard, Thor knocks "everyone" out and he'll get cocky thinking he has it won, but he doesn't notice Spidey, Groot, Rocket, Vision, Ant Man any of whom could have been hiding and use the chance to rush Thor out of the ring as he's "cleaning" up or even celebrating thinking he has won, Thor is also not the brightest bulb at times, he could enter #10 knock out and eliminate entrants 1-8 and not realise that doesn't matter the 20 other entrants need to still enter for the match to end and he starts celebrating leaving himself vulnerable.
TBH Thor & Hulk would likely eliminate each other even if they did try teaming up, or Banner would eliminate Thor by out smarting him if it's Professor Hulk.
Vision being "weak" to electricity in a phased form isn't proven, also you say voltage in households that's the Avengers base, I doubt Tony has it wired to your normal standards given the nonsense he tends to get up to, but Vision is still able to still move whilst being shocked, and with the mind stone can blast Thor who would be likely the only one capable of touching Vision whilst he is being shocked, which seemed to need to be a constant to even stall him, the taser arrows didn't bring him to his knee's just locked him up a little, I mean Thor's blasts cannot destroy Vibranium which Vision is and I doubt lightning is more powerful than the Mind Stone so a lightning proof android with an Infinity Gem seems to have an edge over the lord of thunder in my books.
And again you take no consideration for the rumble aspect itself, Thor could enter No.1 and CM No.2, friends then don't mean squat, so how things play out in terms of friends is also subjective because you had to decided yeah ok Thor is going to have all these friends backing him up, whilst in actuality that could very well not be the case and 2 of his friends like to fuck with him a lot anyway so you picked Thor just because you wanted to, like I said Battle Royale I don't disagree with the choice tbh, Rumble however I think you utterly miss the point.
Ever hear of the term "proving a negative"? It's a logical fallacy where, instead of someone providing proof of their claim, they ask their counterpart to disprove them instead even when there is nothing there to disprove. For example: Person 1: "I have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Prove it" Person 1: "No, you prove that I don't have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Huh?" Person 1: "If you can't prove that I don't have a million dollars, that must mean that I actually do have 1 million dollars." Similarly in our discussion: Me: "Vision has been proven to be weak against electricity." You: "He is invulnerable to electricity while phasing." Me: "Prove it" You: "No, you prove that he's vulnerable while he's phasing. If you can't prove it, then he must not be vulnerable while he's phasing." Basically what I'm saying is, if you want to claim that Vision is invulnerable to electricity while phasing, you actually need to provide proof to back this up. Burden of proof lies with the person who makes the claim. I claimed he was vulnerable to electricity and backed up my claim with proof. You want to claim he isn't, you back yourself up with proof. And no, comparing a 120v house-wiring to at least a 50,000 volt taser arrow is not "proof". I don't care how many inventions Tony Stark has, only a complete idiot would allow 50,000 volts to run freely throughout the walls of his house. And that's not even considering that lightning bolts pack up to a billion volts. As for WWE Rumbles, of course power doesn't mean shit. That stuff is fake. You don't win because you're stronger or faster or more skilled than the other guys. You win because the the execs decided that you should win and updated the script to make it so. I'm seriously hoping that's not what we're doing here. That, even if we're talking about a fictional match, we're at least treating each character fairly. I think you're missing the point of a Royal Rumble where contenders are all mostly super powered. Gimping the more powerful ones of their power because "they don't want to kill their friends" is like telling all heavyweight wrestlers that they can't hit with their entire strength because they might kill the middle-weight wrestlers. It removes the point of this fictional match. You want to discuss superpowered beings fairly, you allow them to use their powers to the best of their abilities. Otherwise what's the point? Might as well say that Black Widow wins because none of the others would want to use their powers on her. Ok fine Vision cannot phase through electric my other point stands about the vulnerability in that it's limited, it doesn't short him out and turn him into a giant paperweight, as I said even shocked he can still use the mind stone and the shock only lasts for as long as the electricity flows and as his shifting is due to the mind stone he can shift into such a dense object Thor cannot move him resulting in a stalemate.
And the power in a rumble thing again you miss the point, it isn't a knock down drag out brawl, it's about chucking some one out of a ring, power means nothing beyond your own ability to pick and chuck people, Thor may overpower everyone but all it takes is one sneaky attack, Rocket pee's in his eyes and Thor could go running around like a headless chicken because it's in his eyes and it burns, also in regards to the sorcerers Strange did show the ability to pull and toss people with his magic he did so to one of the Thanos goons in IW, as well as trying to pull the gauntlet of off Thanos' hand, he can also deflect and shield from blasts from an infinity stone, but again you utterly nerfed him and the others.
Again you utterly mis my point Thor is not going to use lethal blasts in the match, to take down an entire ring with the likes ranging from Hawkeye to Bleeding Edge Iron Man with a single blast as is the shockwave attack means using a blast powerful enough to take out Iron Man who can regulate huge levels of electricity, which will likely kill the weaker competitors, you are picking and choosing nah he'll do it and it wont do that, but that's never been shown that he can alter the power of individual streams of lightning amongst a massive blast, and the "nerfing" of Thor is simply saying I don't see him using blasts powerful enough to kill his friends, same as I doubt Tony is going to unibeam anyone but Thor, Valkyrie, Vision and Hulk in the face because everyone else will probably get killed by that, same reason I don't say Vision is just going to phase in and out of people destroying their hearts or CM going to do her equivalent of a super nova and roasting everyone, it isn't just Thor imo NO ONE uses lethal force to win the match, that's not the same as saying Cap isn't going to use all his potential strength at times, right person I am sure he would, wrong person no way, he also isn't going to be snapping peoples neck even though he technically could.
And no it's like telling MMA fighters no knee people in the mead when they are on the mat, it's a basic rule, no killing people, if that "nerfs" some people fine, even in the real RR though it's no DQ people don't pretend to try and kill each other, there's still general unspoken rules of conduct, it's a royal rumble not the hunger games for Petes sake, and again CM and Thor could start things in which case Thor is going to go arse first out of the ring in seconds same with Wanda imo, because those ladies are powerful as fuck, a little OP for CM atleast Wanda has vulnerabilities, but still again the Rumble element discount most of your justifying of stuff because you thought it out Battle Royal style.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:20:01 GMT
No I am saying he wont use lethal force against everyone like you are claiming he will do, also he wasn't friends with Iron Man and he did hold back fighting Loki, only one he went whole hog on was Hulk because A: Hulk was seemingly willing to beat him to death and B: he knows Hulk is tough enough to take it.
I never said Thor's power would be limited, he's still as strong as he is, but with that he can regulate his power punch for punch, a massive lightning blast encompassing a ring powerful enough to take out the likes of the tougher fighters is going to KILL the weaker ones, blast that will only stun or knock out the weaker ones wont do shit to the stronger ones hence me saying he wont be using them because they will only be half effective or they will be lethal.
Also YOU said showboating I said showmanship, and ego, Thor did show off his ego repeatedly in taunting people, he also showed off his showmanship at his coronation, as well as him challenging people after taking out the big guy in Thor 2, what you are not getting mate is power doesn't mean shit in a Rumble, if it did Big Show, Kane and Braun Strowman would be winners of every rumble match for the last 20 years, powerhouses get ganged up on, they get caught off guard, Thor knocks "everyone" out and he'll get cocky thinking he has it won, but he doesn't notice Spidey, Groot, Rocket, Vision, Ant Man any of whom could have been hiding and use the chance to rush Thor out of the ring as he's "cleaning" up or even celebrating thinking he has won, Thor is also not the brightest bulb at times, he could enter #10 knock out and eliminate entrants 1-8 and not realise that doesn't matter the 20 other entrants need to still enter for the match to end and he starts celebrating leaving himself vulnerable.
TBH Thor & Hulk would likely eliminate each other even if they did try teaming up, or Banner would eliminate Thor by out smarting him if it's Professor Hulk.
Vision being "weak" to electricity in a phased form isn't proven, also you say voltage in households that's the Avengers base, I doubt Tony has it wired to your normal standards given the nonsense he tends to get up to, but Vision is still able to still move whilst being shocked, and with the mind stone can blast Thor who would be likely the only one capable of touching Vision whilst he is being shocked, which seemed to need to be a constant to even stall him, the taser arrows didn't bring him to his knee's just locked him up a little, I mean Thor's blasts cannot destroy Vibranium which Vision is and I doubt lightning is more powerful than the Mind Stone so a lightning proof android with an Infinity Gem seems to have an edge over the lord of thunder in my books.
And again you take no consideration for the rumble aspect itself, Thor could enter No.1 and CM No.2, friends then don't mean squat, so how things play out in terms of friends is also subjective because you had to decided yeah ok Thor is going to have all these friends backing him up, whilst in actuality that could very well not be the case and 2 of his friends like to fuck with him a lot anyway so you picked Thor just because you wanted to, like I said Battle Royale I don't disagree with the choice tbh, Rumble however I think you utterly miss the point.
Ever hear of the term "proving a negative"? It's a logical fallacy where, instead of someone providing proof of their claim, they ask their counterpart to disprove them instead even when there is nothing there to disprove. For example: Person 1: "I have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Prove it" Person 1: "No, you prove that I don't have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Huh?" Person 1: "If you can't prove that I don't have a million dollars, that must mean that I actually do have 1 million dollars." Similarly in our discussion: Me: "Vision has been proven to be weak against electricity." You: "He is invulnerable to electricity while phasing." Me: "Prove it" You: "No, you prove that he's vulnerable while he's phasing. If you can't prove it, then he must not be vulnerable while he's phasing." Basically what I'm saying is, if you want to claim that Vision is invulnerable to electricity while phasing, you actually need to provide proof to back this up. Burden of proof lies with the person who makes the claim. I claimed he was vulnerable to electricity and backed up my claim with proof. You want to claim he isn't, you back yourself up with proof. And no, comparing a 120v house-wiring to at least a 50,000 volt taser arrow is not "proof". I don't care how many inventions Tony Stark has, only a complete idiot would allow 50,000 volts to run freely throughout the walls of his house. And that's not even considering that lightning bolts pack up to a billion volts. As for WWE Rumbles, of course power doesn't mean shit. That stuff is fake. You don't win because you're stronger or faster or more skilled than the other guys. You win because the the execs decided that you should win and updated the script to make it so. I'm seriously hoping that's not what we're doing here. That, even if we're talking about a fictional match, we're at least treating each character fairly. I think you're missing the point of a Royal Rumble where contenders are all mostly super powered. Gimping the more powerful ones of their power because "they don't want to kill their friends" is like telling all heavyweight wrestlers that they can't hit with their entire strength because they might kill the middle-weight wrestlers. It removes the point of this fictional match. You want to discuss superpowered beings fairly, you allow them to use their powers to the best of their abilities. Otherwise what's the point? Might as well say that Black Widow wins because none of the others would want to use their powers on her. Hopefully the spirit of competition doesn't get to them too hard. I think it's a given a combination of booking talent and writing will take out anybody who doesn't belong. Vision is a pretty bad-ass Avenger I wouldn't cross in a fight, but all it takes is some magic metal and a sneak attack to take him out in the first act of Infinity War.
In theory they shouldn't want to kill each other. A motivated booker could craft a scenario where Black Widow wins, although she'd have her work cut out for her because like Dazz pointed out, removing your legs may be an enviable talent and she definitely can't do that.
Wrestling's always been interesting even though I haven't watched it in years. It's interesting because every match is two matches at the same time. You have the scripted version with wrestlers feeding the credibility of a scripted outcome. Then you've got the match behind the match, who would win if things got ugly? Who would win if a wrestler goes stiff, goes off-script, tries to hurt you? Once upon a time, the toughest wrestlers were the wrestlers who were the most believably dominant; on one hand they're scripted to win and on the other, they'd handle themselves if things got real. I think I read today's average WWE wrestler is college educated.
Wrestling's hilarious sometimes because the things they do to each other, you'd think would never be settled by a match. More like a duel in the parking lot. Sometimes it gets so personal it amazes me they don't kill each other with guns.
Back to power v cunning, a good writer (of which you clearly are) could make just about anything work if you wanted. Wanda is one of my favorite people to make the example because she's as strong as she is young and naive. Her power makes her a heavy hitter but if she's not careful, she could be taken down by a human.
Alternatively in the land of the real, I've read before that Chris Jericho took down Bill Goldberg in a backroom scuffle, so clearly his giant muscles don't tell the whole story.
I like the fact the concept of an MCU royal rumble makes alternating amounts of sense to us each. In my original version, the people I had pegged to be there until the end were defined by their heart. Two of my final four were Captain America and Daredevil, the "I can do this all day" twins of the MCU.
I like your selection of Thor as a winner. By the time Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War came out, he was looking as strong in leadership capabilities and heart as he was in power, the dominant species. My cue taken from WWE was thew only way to eliminate Thor is if he eliminated himself by brawling somebody to the back. It is however the heart, strength and leadership that is the sum of his parts that puts him over Captain Marvel for me, if it were down to the two.
It's also why I see people such as Loki, Black Widow and other potentially less powerful characters going far. They're cunning, will do things others won't and have heart. It's actually I'm almost certain Gamora will be the one to eliminate Quill. She's colder and more logical, she'll go the extra mile he won't.
Incidentally I have no idea how Vision handles electricity.
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 20:57:01 GMT
Ever hear of the term "proving a negative"? It's a logical fallacy where, instead of someone providing proof of their claim, they ask their counterpart to disprove them instead even when there is nothing there to disprove. For example: Person 1: "I have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Prove it" Person 1: "No, you prove that I don't have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Huh?" Person 1: "If you can't prove that I don't have a million dollars, that must mean that I actually do have 1 million dollars." Similarly in our discussion: Me: "Vision has been proven to be weak against electricity." You: "He is invulnerable to electricity while phasing." Me: "Prove it" You: "No, you prove that he's vulnerable while he's phasing. If you can't prove it, then he must not be vulnerable while he's phasing." Basically what I'm saying is, if you want to claim that Vision is invulnerable to electricity while phasing, you actually need to provide proof to back this up. Burden of proof lies with the person who makes the claim. I claimed he was vulnerable to electricity and backed up my claim with proof. You want to claim he isn't, you back yourself up with proof. And no, comparing a 120v house-wiring to at least a 50,000 volt taser arrow is not "proof". I don't care how many inventions Tony Stark has, only a complete idiot would allow 50,000 volts to run freely throughout the walls of his house. And that's not even considering that lightning bolts pack up to a billion volts. As for WWE Rumbles, of course power doesn't mean shit. That stuff is fake. You don't win because you're stronger or faster or more skilled than the other guys. You win because the the execs decided that you should win and updated the script to make it so. I'm seriously hoping that's not what we're doing here. That, even if we're talking about a fictional match, we're at least treating each character fairly. I think you're missing the point of a Royal Rumble where contenders are all mostly super powered. Gimping the more powerful ones of their power because "they don't want to kill their friends" is like telling all heavyweight wrestlers that they can't hit with their entire strength because they might kill the middle-weight wrestlers. It removes the point of this fictional match. You want to discuss superpowered beings fairly, you allow them to use their powers to the best of their abilities. Otherwise what's the point? Might as well say that Black Widow wins because none of the others would want to use their powers on her. Hopefully the spirit of competition doesn't get to them too hard. I think it's a given a combination of booking talent and writing will take out anybody who doesn't belong. Vision is a pretty bad-ass Avenger I wouldn't cross in a fight, but all it takes is some magic metal and a sneak attack to take him out in the first act of Infinity War.
In theory they shouldn't want to kill each other. A motivated booker could craft a scenario where Black Widow wins, although she'd have her work cut out for her because like Dazz pointed out, removing your legs may be an enviable talent and she definitely can't do that.
Wrestling's always been interesting even though I haven't watched it in years. It's interesting because every match is two matches at the same time. You have the scripted version with wrestlers feeding the credibility of a scripted outcome. Then you've got the match behind the match, who would win if things got ugly? Who would win if a wrestler goes stiff, goes off-script, tries to hurt you? Once upon a time, the toughest wrestlers were the wrestlers who were the most believably dominant; on one hand they're scripted to win and on the other, they'd handle themselves if things got real. I think I read today's average WWE wrestler is college educated.
Wrestling's hilarious sometimes because the things they do to each other, you'd think would never be settled by a match. More like a duel in the parking lot. Sometimes it gets so personal it amazes me they don't kill each other with guns.
Back to power v cunning, a good writer (of which you clearly are) could make just about anything work if you wanted. Wanda is one of my favorite people to make the example because she's as strong as she is young and naive. Her power makes her a heavy hitter but if she's not careful, she could be taken down by a human.
Alternatively in the land of the real, I've read before that Chris Jericho took down Bill Goldberg in a backroom scuffle, so clearly his giant muscles don't tell the whole story.
I like the fact the concept of an MCU royal rumble makes alternating amounts of sense to us each. In my original version, the people I had pegged to be there until the end were defined by their heart. Two of my final four were Captain America and Daredevil, the "I can do this all day" twins of the MCU.
I like your selection of Thor as a winner. By the time Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War came out, he was looking as strong in leadership capabilities and heart as he was in power, the dominant species. My cue taken from WWE was thew only way to eliminate Thor is if he eliminated himself by brawling somebody to the back. It is however the heart, strength and leadership that is the sum of his parts that puts him over Captain Marvel for me, if it were down to the two.
It's also why I see people such as Loki, Black Widow and other potentially less powerful characters going far. They're cunning, will do things others won't and have heart. It's actually I'm almost certain Gamora will be the one to eliminate Quill. She's colder and more logical, she'll go the extra mile he won't.
Incidentally I have no idea how Vision handles electricity. Makes you wonder what the hell they added to Cap's shield, why is it that doesn't conduct electricity but Vision does? what did they add to the mix other than the vibranium, or is it simply a plot hole hmmm???
Glad someone appreciates the legless defence I suggested, sure it's a little Jim Herd and the Hunchbacks but hey this time I think it can work, for Groot atleast, Gamora could always just come walking out with Nebula's legs and drop them on the floor eliminating Nebula before even getting in the ring, oh the possibilities.
The Jericho/Goldberg story is hilarious, as is how it culminates and starts which is the same thing it was that short, Goldberg lunges for Y2J, Y2J gets him in a guillotine choke iirc and holds Goldberg in place as Goldberg screams at him "if you let me up I'm gonna kick your ass", wrestling actually started as semi shoots, it's always been worked so you know who was going over but they used to legit wrestle for dominance in the matches, but stories of the legit tough guys in wrestling are hilarious, as are the stories about the wannabe tough guys, Goldberg again springs to mind because he was so buying into his own hype he almost cost himself the use of his right hand because he wanted to and did punch through a legit limo window with his bare hands rather than smash the windows using a bat or a pipe, causing him to cut his arm up real bad and almost severe nerves or some shit, which put him on the injured list for like 6 months or so, oh Goldberg you utter mark.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 27, 2020 21:05:34 GMT
Ever hear of the term "proving a negative"? It's a logical fallacy where, instead of someone providing proof of their claim, they ask their counterpart to disprove them instead even when there is nothing there to disprove. For example: Person 1: "I have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Prove it" Person 1: "No, you prove that I don't have 1 million dollars." Person 2: "Huh?" Person 1: "If you can't prove that I don't have a million dollars, that must mean that I actually do have 1 million dollars." Similarly in our discussion: Me: "Vision has been proven to be weak against electricity." You: "He is invulnerable to electricity while phasing." Me: "Prove it" You: "No, you prove that he's vulnerable while he's phasing. If you can't prove it, then he must not be vulnerable while he's phasing." Basically what I'm saying is, if you want to claim that Vision is invulnerable to electricity while phasing, you actually need to provide proof to back this up. Burden of proof lies with the person who makes the claim. I claimed he was vulnerable to electricity and backed up my claim with proof. You want to claim he isn't, you back yourself up with proof. And no, comparing a 120v house-wiring to at least a 50,000 volt taser arrow is not "proof". I don't care how many inventions Tony Stark has, only a complete idiot would allow 50,000 volts to run freely throughout the walls of his house. And that's not even considering that lightning bolts pack up to a billion volts. As for WWE Rumbles, of course power doesn't mean shit. That stuff is fake. You don't win because you're stronger or faster or more skilled than the other guys. You win because the the execs decided that you should win and updated the script to make it so. I'm seriously hoping that's not what we're doing here. That, even if we're talking about a fictional match, we're at least treating each character fairly. I think you're missing the point of a Royal Rumble where contenders are all mostly super powered. Gimping the more powerful ones of their power because "they don't want to kill their friends" is like telling all heavyweight wrestlers that they can't hit with their entire strength because they might kill the middle-weight wrestlers. It removes the point of this fictional match. You want to discuss superpowered beings fairly, you allow them to use their powers to the best of their abilities. Otherwise what's the point? Might as well say that Black Widow wins because none of the others would want to use their powers on her. Hopefully the spirit of competition doesn't get to them too hard. I think it's a given a combination of booking talent and writing will take out anybody who doesn't belong. Vision is a pretty bad-ass Avenger I wouldn't cross in a fight, but all it takes is some magic metal and a sneak attack to take him out in the first act of Infinity War.
In theory they shouldn't want to kill each other. A motivated booker could craft a scenario where Black Widow wins, although she'd have her work cut out for her because like Dazz pointed out, removing your legs may be an enviable talent and she definitely can't do that.
Wrestling's always been interesting even though I haven't watched it in years. It's interesting because every match is two matches at the same time. You have the scripted version with wrestlers feeding the credibility of a scripted outcome. Then you've got the match behind the match, who would win if things got ugly? Who would win if a wrestler goes stiff, goes off-script, tries to hurt you? Once upon a time, the toughest wrestlers were the wrestlers who were the most believably dominant; on one hand they're scripted to win and on the other, they'd handle themselves if things got real. I think I read today's average WWE wrestler is college educated.
Wrestling's hilarious sometimes because the things they do to each other, you'd think would never be settled by a match. More like a duel in the parking lot. Sometimes it gets so personal it amazes me they don't kill each other with guns.
Back to power v cunning, a good writer (of which you clearly are) could make just about anything work if you wanted. Wanda is one of my favorite people to make the example because she's as strong as she is young and naive. Her power makes her a heavy hitter but if she's not careful, she could be taken down by a human.
Alternatively in the land of the real, I've read before that Chris Jericho took down Bill Goldberg in a backroom scuffle, so clearly his giant muscles don't tell the whole story.
I like the fact the concept of an MCU royal rumble makes alternating amounts of sense to us each. In my original version, the people I had pegged to be there until the end were defined by their heart. Two of my final four were Captain America and Daredevil, the "I can do this all day" twins of the MCU.
I like your selection of Thor as a winner. By the time Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War came out, he was looking as strong in leadership capabilities and heart as he was in power, the dominant species. My cue taken from WWE was thew only way to eliminate Thor is if he eliminated himself by brawling somebody to the back. It is however the heart, strength and leadership that is the sum of his parts that puts him over Captain Marvel for me, if it were down to the two.
It's also why I see people such as Loki, Black Widow and other potentially less powerful characters going far. They're cunning, will do things others won't and have heart. It's actually I'm almost certain Gamora will be the one to eliminate Quill. She's colder and more logical, she'll go the extra mile he won't.
Incidentally I have no idea how Vision handles electricity. Here's the fight between Vision and Hawkeye where Hawkeye used electric arrows to contain Vision: You can see that Vision was helpless to move up until he finally used his gem to blast the arrow to disrupt the electric field. As for writing up the match to make others win, of course I could do that. The better the writer, the more believable the story that they come up with, even if they make the weakest character win. But as for this match, I was trying to go with simply who had the greatest chance at winning if we simply considered all the heroes as they are, without needing to spin a story out of it. That's why I gave it to Thor, and later to Loki because he has a good chance of surviving to the very end simply due to his alliance with Thor. If we went with WWE-style writing then it would end up being whoever the flavor of the month was, in which case winner would probably be Captain Marvel to boost her status or go for a complete upset like making Spiderman win. Captain America would always have a chance at winning because he's like king of the underdogs and Ironman is a clear fan favorite so he has a chance at well.
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 22:17:25 GMT
Hopefully the spirit of competition doesn't get to them too hard. I think it's a given a combination of booking talent and writing will take out anybody who doesn't belong. Vision is a pretty bad-ass Avenger I wouldn't cross in a fight, but all it takes is some magic metal and a sneak attack to take him out in the first act of Infinity War.
In theory they shouldn't want to kill each other. A motivated booker could craft a scenario where Black Widow wins, although she'd have her work cut out for her because like Dazz pointed out, removing your legs may be an enviable talent and she definitely can't do that.
Wrestling's always been interesting even though I haven't watched it in years. It's interesting because every match is two matches at the same time. You have the scripted version with wrestlers feeding the credibility of a scripted outcome. Then you've got the match behind the match, who would win if things got ugly? Who would win if a wrestler goes stiff, goes off-script, tries to hurt you? Once upon a time, the toughest wrestlers were the wrestlers who were the most believably dominant; on one hand they're scripted to win and on the other, they'd handle themselves if things got real. I think I read today's average WWE wrestler is college educated.
Wrestling's hilarious sometimes because the things they do to each other, you'd think would never be settled by a match. More like a duel in the parking lot. Sometimes it gets so personal it amazes me they don't kill each other with guns.
Back to power v cunning, a good writer (of which you clearly are) could make just about anything work if you wanted. Wanda is one of my favorite people to make the example because she's as strong as she is young and naive. Her power makes her a heavy hitter but if she's not careful, she could be taken down by a human.
Alternatively in the land of the real, I've read before that Chris Jericho took down Bill Goldberg in a backroom scuffle, so clearly his giant muscles don't tell the whole story.
I like the fact the concept of an MCU royal rumble makes alternating amounts of sense to us each. In my original version, the people I had pegged to be there until the end were defined by their heart. Two of my final four were Captain America and Daredevil, the "I can do this all day" twins of the MCU.
I like your selection of Thor as a winner. By the time Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War came out, he was looking as strong in leadership capabilities and heart as he was in power, the dominant species. My cue taken from WWE was thew only way to eliminate Thor is if he eliminated himself by brawling somebody to the back. It is however the heart, strength and leadership that is the sum of his parts that puts him over Captain Marvel for me, if it were down to the two.
It's also why I see people such as Loki, Black Widow and other potentially less powerful characters going far. They're cunning, will do things others won't and have heart. It's actually I'm almost certain Gamora will be the one to eliminate Quill. She's colder and more logical, she'll go the extra mile he won't.
Incidentally I have no idea how Vision handles electricity. Here's the fight between Vision and Hawkeye where Hawkeye used electric arrows to contain Vision: You can see that Vision was helpless to move up until he finally used his gem to blast the arrow to disrupt the electric field. As for writing up the match to make others win, of course I could do that. The better the writer, the more believable the story that they come up with, even if they make the weakest character win. But as for this match, I was trying to go with simply who had the greatest chance at winning if we simply considered all the heroes as they are, without needing to spin a story out of it. That's why I gave it to Thor, and later to Loki because he has a good chance of surviving to the very end simply due to his alliance with Thor. If we went with WWE-style writing then it would end up being whoever the flavor of the month was, in which case winner would probably be Captain Marvel to boost her status or go for a complete upset like making Spiderman win. Captain America would always have a chance at winning because he's like king of the underdogs and Ironman is a clear fan favorite so he has a chance at well. Actually no you ignored various points that didn't serve your story in which Thor/Loki win, such as teams don't really work due to the entrance aspect which completely randomises and compromises the team work aspect, Hulk and Loki not being the best team mates due to Loki being treacherous and Hulk just being Hulk.
You discard Vision because Thor can shock him but again that just holds him in place he can still fire his mind stone and density shift making him immovable, the mind stone is not effected by electricity and is what controls his phasing and such, and you had it where Hulk is dumb Hulk but somehow going to go with the plan until the end? Hulk and Thor would get into it long before the match is won, hell Hulk could eliminate Thor by cheap shotting him ala Avengers then being goaded into attacking Strange or someone and being chucked out by any number of means whilst in mid air.
Keep in mind the Sorcerer's can deflect attacks, create mystical weapons to beat people with, entangle and toss people around with magical bands and chains and such, create platforms to prevent them touching the floor as well as offset their opponents mid air, Hulk comes in for a jumping clubbing blow they can create a shield slide to fling him out using his own momentum.
The way you actually figured it doesn't even work in a BR now I think about it, you set it out gauntlet style as if each group was just going to go at it one on one or group on group, it's not like that it's a hodge podge, people wont be sitting around with their thumbs up their arses waiting to be ticked off, as powerful as the Revengers are, if they can even get Hulk on their side with Widow on another team anyway, their so powerful everyone else will team up to take them out first, that's the problem being so OP, well maybe they take out CM first then the Revengers, and with the entire other group fighting the powerhouses the likes of Wanda & Vision or even IM, remember how he managed to throw Thor around a bit in Avengers now with his super update tech he can do even more, I mean he drew blood from Thanos, Thor couldn't without Stormbreaker, tells you how powerful that new armour is meant to be, but yeah those guys can easily snipe Thor and the others out with ease, in the end you spun a story to fit your desired outcome which was not in any way likely to happen given the actual premise of a RR match, of even a likely strategic possibility give the uneven power dynamic one group has if allowed to stay on too long, which btw is fine but don't try and pretend you didn't spin a bloody story mate, you absolutely did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 22:52:51 GMT
Hopefully the spirit of competition doesn't get to them too hard. I think it's a given a combination of booking talent and writing will take out anybody who doesn't belong. Vision is a pretty bad-ass Avenger I wouldn't cross in a fight, but all it takes is some magic metal and a sneak attack to take him out in the first act of Infinity War.
In theory they shouldn't want to kill each other. A motivated booker could craft a scenario where Black Widow wins, although she'd have her work cut out for her because like Dazz pointed out, removing your legs may be an enviable talent and she definitely can't do that.
Wrestling's always been interesting even though I haven't watched it in years. It's interesting because every match is two matches at the same time. You have the scripted version with wrestlers feeding the credibility of a scripted outcome. Then you've got the match behind the match, who would win if things got ugly? Who would win if a wrestler goes stiff, goes off-script, tries to hurt you? Once upon a time, the toughest wrestlers were the wrestlers who were the most believably dominant; on one hand they're scripted to win and on the other, they'd handle themselves if things got real. I think I read today's average WWE wrestler is college educated.
Wrestling's hilarious sometimes because the things they do to each other, you'd think would never be settled by a match. More like a duel in the parking lot. Sometimes it gets so personal it amazes me they don't kill each other with guns.
Back to power v cunning, a good writer (of which you clearly are) could make just about anything work if you wanted. Wanda is one of my favorite people to make the example because she's as strong as she is young and naive. Her power makes her a heavy hitter but if she's not careful, she could be taken down by a human.
Alternatively in the land of the real, I've read before that Chris Jericho took down Bill Goldberg in a backroom scuffle, so clearly his giant muscles don't tell the whole story.
I like the fact the concept of an MCU royal rumble makes alternating amounts of sense to us each. In my original version, the people I had pegged to be there until the end were defined by their heart. Two of my final four were Captain America and Daredevil, the "I can do this all day" twins of the MCU.
I like your selection of Thor as a winner. By the time Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War came out, he was looking as strong in leadership capabilities and heart as he was in power, the dominant species. My cue taken from WWE was thew only way to eliminate Thor is if he eliminated himself by brawling somebody to the back. It is however the heart, strength and leadership that is the sum of his parts that puts him over Captain Marvel for me, if it were down to the two.
It's also why I see people such as Loki, Black Widow and other potentially less powerful characters going far. They're cunning, will do things others won't and have heart. It's actually I'm almost certain Gamora will be the one to eliminate Quill. She's colder and more logical, she'll go the extra mile he won't.
Incidentally I have no idea how Vision handles electricity. Here's the fight between Vision and Hawkeye where Hawkeye used electric arrows to contain Vision: You can see that Vision was helpless to move up until he finally used his gem to blast the arrow to disrupt the electric field. As for writing up the match to make others win, of course I could do that. The better the writer, the more believable the story that they come up with, even if they make the weakest character win. But as for this match, I was trying to go with simply who had the greatest chance at winning if we simply considered all the heroes as they are, without needing to spin a story out of it. That's why I gave it to Thor, and later to Loki because he has a good chance of surviving to the very end simply due to his alliance with Thor. If we went with WWE-style writing then it would end up being whoever the flavor of the month was, in which case winner would probably be Captain Marvel to boost her status or go for a complete upset like making Spiderman win. Captain America would always have a chance at winning because he's like king of the underdogs and Ironman is a clear fan favorite so he has a chance at well. I forgot about that. Full points to Hawkeye for his optimism. "I guess I should have stretched". Sure, Clint. That'll stop him. 
I like that we all have our thresholds for what we consider believable too. I like the reasoning with Thor and Loki. I even had a moment where I considered Ant-Man would shrink to ant size and hide in the turnbuckle the whole time. But I like Thor. Daredevil would be my upset win, Captain America would be my in it to win it win. Black Panther would have been my flavor of the month with but if you apply WWE booking it's probably gotta be Captain Marvel because if she's eliminated one on one she'll look weak. She's either gotta eliminate herself, be eliminated by 8 or more who gang up on her, or...I guess I don't have a third, BUT if she were tossed out by a human, Black Widow or Ant-Man, it'd be a pretty big loss of momentum going forward.
In my mind's eye I don't see some of the biggest big dogs winning. Ironically, Thor yes. Vision not as much. Iron Man's a character you gotta work around because it seems predictable he might win, not just for the combination of whatever makes him strong but also his popularity. I feel like he'd be the shareholder's option if this were WWE style, the one they'd milk for merchandise and risk overexposure.
It's a good scene from the movie, by the way. Looking back it does show even the unlikeliest of people can get the upper hand even for a minute.
My opinion of Thor grew and grew because I didn't know much about him before the movies. He had the potential within the team to be the ringer who could be creatively taken out of the equation if he didn't display character that matched his strengths. That was put to rest by Ragnarok and...probably by Age of Ultron too, but by the time Thor flew solo in Ragnarok it was all too clear he had to be held back or else he'd do what the Avengers do on earth by himself. He could have stayed a ringer but that man's a total package character. On a higher but similar scale to Captain America, he makes being your best strongest self look cool.
I guess the elephant in the room is whoever wins this Rumble faces the champion at MCU Wrestlemania. I guess it'd have to be Thanos?
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