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Post by ck100 on Mar 26, 2020 0:41:26 GMT
Unfortunately Spielberg lost his balls somewhere along the way and got real nervous about violence to kids and guns in his movies.
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Post by Farside on Mar 26, 2020 0:43:59 GMT
Unfortunately Spielberg lost his balls somewhere along the way and got real nervous about violence to kids and guns in his movies.
Didn't those men originally have rifles or something?
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 26, 2020 0:49:12 GMT
News flash.
Kids get hurt all the time in reality. They die from accidents, they are murdered, they are killed by animals etc. The kids in his movies survive most of the time. That is the point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 1:05:40 GMT
News flash. Kids get hurt all the time in reality. They die from accidents, they are murdered, they are killed by animals etc. The kids in his movies survive most of the time. That is the point. But they survive when they shouldn't. Spielberg was happy to have Bruce munch a kid in Jaws, because it moved the plot along. It prompted the scene with the mother on the dock, which brought home to Brody the consequences of his actions - or rather, inactions - thus far, his willingness to let to politicos push him around. That and the pond incident are the driving engine of the rest of the film - it's why they pay Quint, it's why Brody the aquaphobe gets in a boat, it's what makes his fight with Bruce personal.Today's Spielberg would never do that, because coddling kids is more important to him than the integrity of his movies.
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Post by marth on Mar 26, 2020 1:12:47 GMT
I love Jurassic Park, but yes, I always had a problem with this scene. What's the matter, kid? You don't like lamb chops? Lol, in this case, the poor goat was eaten alive.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 26, 2020 1:21:09 GMT
News flash. Kids get hurt all the time in reality. They die from accidents, they are murdered, they are killed by animals etc. The kids in his movies survive most of the time. That is the point. But they survive when they shouldn't. Spielberg was happy to have Bruce munch a kid in Jaws, because it moved the plot along. It prompted the scene with the mother on the dock, which brought home to Brody the consequences of his actions - or rather, inactions - thus far, his willingness to let to politicos push him around. That and the pond incident are the driving engine of the rest of the film - it's why they pay Quint, it's why Brody the aquaphobe gets in a boat, it's what makes his fight with Bruce personal.Today's Spielberg would never do that, because coddling kids is more important to him than the integrity of his movies. The OP isn't even talking about the integrity of the plot of his movies. I am only addressing his issue of kids being in harms way in most of his movies and the OP conveniently ignores the fact that in the movies where kids are among the main characters they always survive against the odds.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 1:24:49 GMT
But they survive when they shouldn't. Spielberg was happy to have Bruce munch a kid in Jaws, because it moved the plot along. It prompted the scene with the mother on the dock, which brought home to Brody the consequences of his actions - or rather, inactions - thus far, his willingness to let to politicos push him around. That and the pond incident are the driving engine of the rest of the film - it's why they pay Quint, it's why Brody the aquaphobe gets in a boat, it's what makes his fight with Bruce personal.Today's Spielberg would never do that, because coddling kids is more important to him than the integrity of his movies. The OP isn't even talking about the integrity of the plot of his movies. I am only addressing his issue of kids being in harms way in most of his movies and the OP conveniently ignores the fact that in the movies where kids are among the main characters they always survive against the odds. Plot integrity is WHY one didn't in Jaws. That's the point - Spielberg lost his courage.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 26, 2020 1:36:41 GMT
The OP isn't even talking about the integrity of the plot of his movies. I am only addressing his issue of kids being in harms way in most of his movies and the OP conveniently ignores the fact that in the movies where kids are among the main characters they always survive against the odds. Plot integrity is WHY one didn't in Jaws. That's the point - Spielberg lost his courage. I disagree. He didn't lose his courage. He simply starting making movies that don't appeal to what you want to see in a movie.
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 26, 2020 1:50:26 GMT
Some directors are sadistic than others. Paul Verhoeven was going to film a scene where puppies and kittens are blown up in Robocop (not for real but in his films he has a lot of animal violence). He did have the gasping goldish in Total Recall.
On the other end of the spectrum, Roland Emmerich has to save every dog--it's ok if a million people are burned to death as long as the little dog gets out of harm's way.
And Richard Donner wouldnt film a scene for the Omen where a bowl of live goldfish was dropped off a balcony.
Spielberg's handling of children is bizarre anyway. The kids from Hell in Close Encounters--no wonder Richard Dreyfuss wanted aliens to take him away. I hated the kids in Jurassic Park-so obnoxious. That kid would have died if he was fried on the fence like that.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 26, 2020 2:07:47 GMT
The world can be full of trauma and horror and children are not exempt. Spielberg is representing this and gives his films more emotional impact in the process. Lets not bury our heads in the sand, as the pc ridden millennial does. He is attempting to expose Spielberg as a child rapist, hence the link that he sneaks in in his OP. Is he? I don't know. There are not enough facts, only suspicions. His point about kids in his movies fail because adults are killed far more often in his movies than children and the children often overcome what they are up against when they are the main focus. They are saved from bad situations and if anything this reflects Spielberg's own childhood. That is why half the movies he has made have someone in a situation where one or both of the parents are either having marriage issues or are dead. Hook is about the main character's children being kidnapped because he doesn't pay close enough attention to them. This is a common theme in his movies.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 26, 2020 2:31:38 GMT
He is attempting to expose Spielberg as a child rapist, hence the link that he sneaks in in his OP. Is he? I don't know. There are not enough facts, only suspicions. His point about kids in his movies fail because adults are killed far more often in his movies than children and the children often overcome what they are up against when they are the main focus. They are saved from bad situations and if anything this reflects Spielberg's own childhood. That is why half the movies he has made have someone in a situation where one or both of the parents are either having marriage issues or are dead. Hook is about the main character's children being kidnapped because he doesn't pay close enough attention to them. This is a common theme in his movies. Temple of Doom has Indiana Jones saving the children from bondage, Jurassic Park has an adult who dislikes kids put into a situation where he has to protect them, The BFG has an orphan escaping into a fantasy world where a nice giant protects the child from giants who want to eat her etc. The op does make weird threads, nominally to incite I think.
Spielberg embraced and embellished his childhood and I'd say he recognizes how fortunate and blessed he was and his parents gave him a lot of support and encouragement. He was loved. He understands children and what they relate and connect with, and tends to give childhood a spiritual hue as well in many of his films.
I haven't read all of the novel Jaws, but would you know if the Kitner boy's death is a part of Benchley's novel?
I haven't read the novel. From what I read and heard him say himself Spielberg blamed his father for his parents' divorce and the impact that had on his when he was a teenager. That is what I meant when I referred to many of his movies where the child either has only one living parent or who's parents are divorced.
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 26, 2020 2:32:58 GMT
Yes the Kinter boy death is in the book.
Hook seemed pervy to me.
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Post by johnspartan on Mar 26, 2020 2:44:16 GMT
I love Jurassic Park, but yes, I always had a problem with this scene.
Kathleen Kennedy was against the scene.
Well Spielberg was right to ignore the ridiculous objections of a glorified secretary.
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 26, 2020 3:00:40 GMT
Well Spielberg was right to ignore the ridiculous objections of a glorified secretary. She was right-it was a shit scene. Just so we can see Laura Dern looking sick at her plate like they were in a sitcom.
Hammond should have got killed or better yet the stupid kid. One case where Spielberg definitely should have offed a kid. Then Hammond would have reason to have second thoughts about his park.
Oh yeah-DUEL has the truck rolling over the snakes in the cages. That's another one.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 26, 2020 3:24:48 GMT
Well Spielberg was right to ignore the ridiculous objections of a glorified secretary. She was right-it was a shit scene. Just so we can see Laura Dern looking sick at her plate like they were in a sitcom.
Hammond should have got killed or better yet the stupid kid. One case where Spielberg definitely should have offed a kid. Then Hammond would have reason to have second thoughts about his park.
Oh yeah-DUEL has the truck rolling over the snakes in the cages. That's another one.
THEE case is that punk ass teen in War of the Worlds. Goes off to fight aliens, then shows up at the end unharmed? Yeah, okay.
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 26, 2020 3:26:46 GMT
THEE case is that punk ass teen in War of the Worlds. Goes off to fight aliens, then shows up at the end unharmed? Yeah, okay. Yeah that was stupid. I liked how Tom Cruise tells his daughter to sing so she won't hear him killing Tim Robbins.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 26, 2020 8:20:41 GMT
Didn't those men originally have rifles or something?
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