ashverses
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Post by ashverses on Feb 20, 2017 16:21:38 GMT
1. Empire Strikes Back 2. New Hope 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Force Awakens 5. Revenge of the Sith 6. Rogue One 7. Revenge of the Sith 8. Attack of the Clones
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 1, 2017 2:26:22 GMT
1. Empire Strikes Back 2. New Hope 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Force Awakens 5. Revenge of the Sith 6. Rogue One 7. Revenge of the Sith 8. Attack of the Clones What about TPM? lol
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Mar 1, 2017 2:32:52 GMT
1. the Empire Strikes Back 2. a New Hope 3. Return of the Jedi 4. the Force Awakens 5. the Clone Wars 6. Rogue One 7. the Phantom Menace 8. Attack of the Clones 9. Revenge of the Sith
i don't count the lowest three, though. i didn't include the Holiday Special or Ewok movies because i don't think anyone really counts those.
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Post by movielover on Mar 1, 2017 2:40:10 GMT
1. The Empire Strikes Back 2. Star Wars
Don't like any of the others I've seen.
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Post by sostie on Mar 1, 2017 12:40:54 GMT
The Empire Strikes Back Rogue One Star Wars The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith Attack of the Clones The Phantom Menace
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ashverses
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Post by ashverses on Mar 1, 2017 14:30:07 GMT
1. Empire Strikes Back 2. New Hope 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Force Awakens 5. Revenge of the Sith 6. Rogue One 7. Revenge of the Sith 8. Attack of the Clones What about TPM? lol Oops. Did I put RotS twice. 7. TPH
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steven18
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Post by steven18 on Mar 1, 2017 17:01:27 GMT
It's weird how one of the most hated star wars films is the one that elaborated and built upon the ideas of the original Star Wars the most. The fanboy sheep who obsessed over the original trilogy clearly didn't get it when they pounced on The Phantom Menace and nitpicked every trivial detail, obviously blinded by the aesthetics, effects and look of the films and unable or unwilling to think outside the box. It's the problem that arises when your life revolves around a film or series, you end up framing it in gold and hypnotised by your own frame instead of understanding it so you can apply that to other films. I get it, not wanting cartoon characters littering the serious sci-fi fantasy world you cherish and hold, although it was never an issue for me, I get the attachment to things being a particular way. Luke letting go and turning off his targeting computer and relying on instinct in the narrow trench in A New Hope is also in The Phantom Menace, not exactly of course, but disguised so elaborately and cleverly and yet in plain sight, and yet while Star Wars is in many ways a reflection of the world we live in, fanboys and critics are unable to see the forest for the trees and endlessly pick apart the most trivial plot holes as if Star Wars was ever meant to be taken literally. It was inspired by mythology originally and put in a 1950s Flash Gordon style, and that formula, combined with amazing effects and great energy led to its massive success. Put aside your own hang-ups and you'll see how the dreadful love story in Episode II and the flat, poker-faced performances are very deliberate and tie into the ideas of the films and make sense in the context of the world the characters inhabit. Fanboys, ever trapped in simple black-and-white thinking, praise Lucas' creation with the first Star Wars trilogy and then call him an idiot for the prequel films, mistaking the deliberate inclusion of childish, cartoonish characters and subversion of fan expectations for stupidity, or as a cynical marketing ploy to sell as many toys as possible to children, making the Lucas of the prequel films either a cynical, greedy money-grabber or a fool, of which he is neither, and the fanboys, rather than challenge their own perceptions, merely cling to some vague notion that Lucas somehow suffered brain damage in the years between the original films and the prequels or that money changed him from a creative filmmaker to a cynical money-grabber. OT fanboys who berate Lucas for the prequels cling to the marketing thing as if somehow using your film to sell toys means that the film is only for that purpose and that intending to make money from both film and merchandise is somehow wrong, forgetting that in 1977 Lucas had the foresight to secure the merchandising rights before the film was released, so Lucas was clearly a businessman all along.
Anyway, I feel I've tried to defend the prequels enough, so in order of personal preference-
1. Empire Strikes Back 2. The Phantom Menace 3. Return of the Jedi 4. A New Hope 5. Revenge of the Sith 6. Attack of the Clones
I'll reserve judgement of TFA until I fully rewatch it, maybe soon, maybe a year from now, who knows, which way the wind blows!
Also, far from boring, on a rewatch last year I found that taking a step back The Phantom Menace is highly enjoyable, and just flies by, and even I used to find at least one third of it boring as whale shit when I was younger.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 1, 2017 17:43:39 GMT
Put aside your own hang-ups and you'll see how the dreadful love story in Episode II and the flat, poker-faced performances are very deliberate and tie into the ideas of the films and make sense in the context of the world the characters inhabit. THANK YOU. It's one thing to simply dislike the prequels despite the fact that literally every "objective" criticism of them can be applied to the OT as well, but it's another to pompously trash them as inferior thoughtless garbage while fundamentally misunderstanding them. My favorite is the merciless and perpetual criticism of Hayden Christensen's Anakin despite the fact that his performance was one of the most studied and careful in all of the six legitimate (read: Lucas) Star Wars movies. (The others are, by definition, literally fan fiction at this point as Lucas's draft's for the execrable and cynical Disney ST have been discarded in favor selling BB8 toys.) Here's a guy tasked with somehow adopting the speech cadence and patterns of a sixty year old black man with an iconic and legendary voice over the course of two movies, in the context of already affecting an accent that is at once sort of antiquated and pseudo-Shakespearean but also cosmopolitan -- or, if you like, "Coruscanti." So naturally he gets called "wooden" by every bong-ripping, Dorito-munching Pinkett fan living in his mother's basement and reading spoilers for whatever D-grade "superheroes" Disney is scraping off the bottom of their Marvel barrel and dressing up like a poor man's X-Men or Batman and throwing in a joyless, paint-by-number summer release because Kevin Smith put those words in the mouth of a buffoon character in a movie one time. These are the same living, breathing internet hipster cliches that, of course, claim The Force Awakens "saved" Star Wars rather than ushering in its fast food era and stripping it of any transcendent mystique it once had. Gross. So, yeah, I agree.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Mar 1, 2017 17:47:12 GMT
Here we go again: - The Empire Strikes Back 10/10 (nuff said) - Revenge of the Sith 9/10 (dystopian tale of the downfall of a system and it's people and values)
- Return of the Jedi 8.5/10 - Rogue One 8/10 - Star Wars 7.5/10 (as a film it's a creative big bang that destroyed American cinema, but as a story it's pretty average) - Attack of the Clones 7/10 - The Phantom Menace 6/10
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- TCW movie: 5/10 (fun enough pilot for a great CGI series) - The Force Awakens 4/10 ( an unimaginative rehash on fanfiction writing level lazily pandering to nostalgia and the easily amused. It's fun to make fun of it, but I eliminated it out of my personal canon).
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 1, 2017 17:54:36 GMT
1. Star Wars 2. Empire 3. Rogue 1 4. Sith 5. Awakens 6. Jedi 7. Clones 8. Phantom
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 1, 2017 19:17:58 GMT
- The Force Awakens 4/10 ( an unimaginative rehash on fanfiction writing level lazily pandering to nostalgia and the easily amused. It's fun to make fun of it, but I eliminated it out of my personal canon).
What he said.
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steven18
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Post by steven18 on Mar 1, 2017 19:40:03 GMT
Put aside your own hang-ups and you'll see how the dreadful love story in Episode II and the flat, poker-faced performances are very deliberate and tie into the ideas of the films and make sense in the context of the world the characters inhabit. THANK YOU. It's one thing to simply dislike the prequels despite the fact that literally every "objective" criticism of them can be applied to the OT as well, but it's another to pompously trash them as inferior thoughtless garbage while fundamentally misunderstanding them. My favorite is the merciless and perpetual criticism of Hayden Christensen's Anakin despite the fact that his performance was one of the most studied and careful in all of the six legitimate (read: Lucas) Star Wars movies. (The others are, by definition, literally fan fiction at this point as Lucas's draft's for the execrable and cynical Disney ST have been discarded in favor selling BB8 toys.) Here's a guy tasked with somehow adopting the speech cadence and patterns of a sixty year old black man with an iconic and legendary voice over the course of two movies, in the context of already affecting an accent that is at once sort of antiquated and pseudo-Shakespearean but also cosmopolitan -- or, if you like, "Coruscanti." So naturally he gets called "wooden" by every bong-ripping, Dorito-munching Pinkett fan living in his mother's basement and reading spoilers for whatever D-grade "superheroes" Disney is scraping off the bottom of their Marvel barrel and dressing up like a poor man's X-Men or Batman and throwing in a joyless, paint-by-number summer release because Kevin Smith put those words in the mouth of a buffoon character in a movie one time. These are the same living, breathing internet hipster cliches that, of course, claim The Force Awakens "saved" Star Wars rather than ushering in its fast food era and stripping it of any transcendent mystique it once had. Gross. So, yeah, I agree. Wow. That was very colourful. I actually now think TFA is a good film whereas once I thought it was average. I found it the most emotionally involving of maybe all of them. I love the prequels, but let's face it, while they're rich with ideas they don't exactly make you feel. Well, not in that sense anyway, rewatching them all last year I felt a weird kind of clarity like watching then anew with no nostalgia attached. I've always enjoyed The Phantom Menace but it was actually much better than I remembered (I didn't recognize what it was going for as a kid and just enjoyed the world and the action and effects). I get where the fanboys are coming from, as a lot of stuff in the film seemed stupid and ridiculous even as a child, before I actually made sense of it and watched it without any discrimination. Seen this way the film seems effortless and fascinating. Jar Jar makes perfect sense, just for being cartoonish and stupid. He seems to save lives and shape the story through sheer accident. Lucas was no doubt fully aware of the disapproval of the fans, and their worship of the old outwardly dignified heroes like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker and Jar Jar, an irritating, seemingly clueless character is made General of an army and saves the day without any struggle at all, making fun of the deliberate hero figure. Lucas is a master troll, and time and time again he pulled the rug out from under the fanboys in a number of ways. I love how Jar Jar glances directly into the camera in the beginning of Episode II as if to say "fuck you, I'm still here and I'm not going away and there's nothing you can do about it." As for criticisms of the dialogue, it also makes sense in the context of the world the characters live in. In institutions as rigid, formal and suffocating as the Senate and the Jedi Order, it's no wonder Anakin and Padme let loose by having a conversation about how water is nice, and sand is not nice. Basically the ideas are there from the start, they're in plain sight in the OT, but those films have such a naive, serial adventure style of storytelling that watching it one might miss it, whereas the prequels deconstruct myth to show you how it all works, by depicting a seemingly utopian society that collapses in on itself by its belief in its own infallibility and belief in its own authority, which allows for the evil intentions of just one individual to take shape, and the rigid "good intentions" of the Jedi become completely worthless as they're bent to the will of evil because of the arrogance of the Jedi and their unwillingness to question anything. Therefore the hero figure of the OT, the lone Jedi hero, becomes many Jedi who are part of a strict dogmatic religious order who in their complacency and utter blindness create a huge army, start an intergalactic war, and basically f--k up the universe, leaving everything it up to one untrained Jedi to fix by defeating the oppressive dictatorship and saving his father from the man-made machine he is imprisoned in. Anyway, the prequels, especially The Phantom Menace (which I love for its lightness and great fantasy world), are just as great as the original films, but not for discriminating eyes who fill in the blanks with their own narrow perceptions. After all, as Rick McCallum said "it's so dense, every single shot, there's so much going on," so if you're unwilling to take a step back there is a lot of stupid, nonsensical shit in those films that goes nowhere. Unwillingness to look past the surface was also probably the reason for the backlash against Return of the Jedi and the ewoks, the plush toys that brought the Empire down.
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Post by captainchrisredfield on Mar 1, 2017 20:21:23 GMT
1. The empire stricks back 2. Revenge of the Sith 3. Star Wars/Rogue One 4. Return of the Jedi 5. Attack of the Clones 6. The Force Awakens 7. Phantom Menace
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Post by mrbeale on Mar 1, 2017 22:23:09 GMT
My unorthodox order that no one will agree with:
1. Return of the Jedi 2. Revenge of the Sith 3. The Empire Strikes Back 4. A New Hope 5. The Phantom Menace 6. Rogue One 7. Attack of the Clones 8. The Force Awakens 9. The "Clone Wars" movie
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 2:48:31 GMT
Empire Strikes Back A New Hope Attack of the Clones The Force Awakens Return of the Jedi Rouge One Phantom Menace Revenge of the Sith
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