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Post by RiP, IMDb on Mar 26, 2020 8:42:35 GMT
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Post by Morgana on Mar 26, 2020 10:58:48 GMT
I hadn't heard about this so I did an online search but I haven't been able to find out what sentencing the criminal received. Do you have any idea? He should never have been out on bail anyway, since he had assaulted someone previously. If I had my way, the boy's parents would throw him from the same place he threw their child.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 26, 2020 20:39:15 GMT
I hadn't heard about this so I did an online search but I haven't been able to find out what sentencing the criminal received. Do you have any idea? He should never have been out on bail anyway, since he had assaulted someone previously. If I had my way, the boy's parents would throw him from the same place he threw their child. There's a claim that the assailant is autistic, which means he may get off with institutionalization. He apparently threw the boy off the Tate to prove wrong 'the idiots' (his words) who said he had no mental health problems.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 27, 2020 11:52:58 GMT
There's a claim that the assailant is autistic, which means he may get off with institutionalization. He apparently threw the boy off the Tate to prove wrong 'the idiots' (his words) who said he had no mental health problems. He was obviously very troubled himself, but how does one even being to contemplate or reconcile this kind of action within themselves, if they even do? Which could argue mental defect of sufficient severity to warrant being placed in an institution as apart from jail. However, that institutionalization would need to be for the long term, not a stopgap that takes him off the streets for a bit and then returns him, probably not appreciably more sane than when he entered. I can agree that the mentally ill who commit crimes need to be handled in a manner different from those who can be adjudged as free from mental illness being a determinant in their actions--but I don't support the notion that mental illness is a carte blanche for preventing more violent sufferers to be sequestered from society. Some people are simply too dangerous to be allowed to move freely in a society, and the mentally ill counts among its numbers those to whom that dictum also applies.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 28, 2020 11:02:23 GMT
Which could argue mental defect of sufficient severity to warrant being placed in an institution as apart from jail. However, that institutionalization would need to be for the long term, not a stopgap that takes him off the streets for a bit and then returns him, probably not appreciably more sane than when he entered. I can agree that the mentally ill who commit crimes need to be handled in a manner different from those who can be adjudged as free from mental illness being a determinant in their actions--but I don't support the notion that mental illness is a carte blanche for preventing more violent sufferers to be sequestered from society. Some people are simply too dangerous to be allowed to move freely in a society, and the mentally ill counts among its numbers those to whom that dictum also applies.That boy has to live with this experience for the rest of his life. How does one even fathom or contemplate that.
Even cheap horror films, especially from the 80's that I recall, tend to support your notion, (even if exploitative), when violent mental patients are released or escape and cause tons more mayhem and carnage in their wake.
Oh heavens, I did foster the wrong impression there. I don't at all feel or think that most mentally ill individuals are capable of this type of behavior, and assuredly don't believe that the majority of should be locked away for the actions of some. It's an exceptionally delicate area: we want (most of us anyway, I hope) to be certain of humane treatment of the mentally ill, but we're faced with a sticky situation when someone who is commits a violent act. Since, in some less-than-fortunate instances where this has occurred, the perpetrator was known to have been suffering from a condition where the possibility of violent behaviors existed, but was released from institutionalization and placed on an outpatient basis with a therapeutic drug regimen (which has happened in a couple of assault cases which ended with the victims' death in my city within the past ten years), there's a need to tread carefully. This sort of thing is a rare happening, I do believe; but I also believe that in the rush to make up for what was once, I agree, truly hideous treatment of the mentally ill we are sometimes guilty of failing to recognize the fact that some are not competent to live safely outside of an institutional environment and may never reach a point where they are able to do so.
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Post by Morgana on Mar 29, 2020 9:19:28 GMT
That boy has to live with this experience for the rest of his life. How does one even fathom or contemplate that.
Even cheap horror films, especially from the 80's that I recall, tend to support your notion, (even if exploitative), when violent mental patients are released or escape and cause tons more mayhem and carnage in their wake.
Oh heavens, I did foster the wrong impression there. I don't at all feel or think that most mentally ill individuals are capable of this type of behavior, and assuredly don't believe that the majority of should be locked away for the actions of some. It's an exceptionally delicate area: we want (most of us anyway, I hope) to be certain of humane treatment of the mentally ill, but we're faced with a sticky situation when someone who is commits a violent act. Since, in some less-than-fortunate instances where this has occurred, the perpetrator was known to have been suffering from a condition where the possibility of violent behaviors existed, but was released from institutionalization and placed on an outpatient basis with a therapeutic drug regimen (which has happened in a couple of assault cases which ended with the victims' death in my city within the past ten years), there's a need to tread carefully. This sort of thing is a rare happening, I do believe; but I also believe that in the rush to make up for what was once, I agree, truly hideous treatment of the mentally ill we are sometimes guilty of failing to recognize the fact that some are not competent to live safely outside of an institutional environment and may never reach a point where they are able to do so. Thing is, he was already out on bail from a charge of assault and racial abuse. He shouldn't have been out in the first place. What bothers me is that being autistic is being used as an excuse. I do agree he should be put in an institutional environment but not be let out early as so many of these places tend to do.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 2, 2020 19:42:41 GMT
That's wonderful news.
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