Nobody who supports Trump's coronavirus plan

Anyone who's hardcore anti-Trump and claims to be Christian I would question them being Christian as it's obvious the left in general is more anti-Christian than the right. those who disagree got a distorted view on Christianity. the left favors disorder over order.

like I always say... those who take Christianity a bit more seriously tend to be conservative and those atheist types tend to be liberal. this says a lot right off the start.

politics aside... COVID-19 is very largely spread through hands to face contact (through eyes/nose/mouth) anyways (catching it in the air is more difficult to do as you got to be breathing it in for something like 15-30min etc) as it's much more difficult to get it from breathing the air given what a doctor says in the following video from March 28th on Waters World (only need to watch the first 7 minutes max since that's the section that pertains to COVID-19)...



so those who are freaking out over COVID-19, that's actually great news because if it mostly spread through the air that would make it much more contagious. but since that doctor says it's almost always through hands to face contact it's much easier to avoid. but since people tend to touch their face out of random habit that's why people need to be more award of what they touch. but on a personal level... I generally have been cautious about what I touch and tend to wash my hands shortly after returning home after being out in public etc.

progressiveelement



Simply because while he's not squeaky clean (who is?) at least he's not anti-USA/common person/Christianity like the left pretty much is. but in general it's the left who will do and say anything for more power as they don't really have a certain set of standards they won't cross as if they can grab more power they will shift their views to whatever they think will get it.

another thing I always say... conservative/Christians generally base their moral code around Jesus Christ, which is basically objective morality, where as a typical person on the left seems to think morality is subjective as they make it up as they go along. so it's not surprising that morality is declining on the left given that kind of mindset (the left seems to be more of the worldly type who goes with the flow of whatever is popular at any given time regardless if it opposes Jesus Christ or not). I realize no one is perfect, as we all make mistakes, but some people really go off the rails and favor disorder over order etc.

Like as not he'll be first in line to have a garbage scow named after him.

   At some point it might make sense to recognize that simply because someone claims to be Christian it doesn't mean they are.  Some people who do not even claim to be Christian can be more scriptural than those.

Karl Aksel

As a person living in one of the Nordic countries, I would like to know your thoughts on Sweden.

Here's an article I read on the Wired

Sweden’s coronavirus experiment has well and truly failed

The country gained early praise from some for shunning lockdown, but it now has one of the highest per-capita rates of coronavirus death in the world.

Read the full article here:

www.wired.co.uk/article/sweden-coronavirus-herd-immunity

I am seeing a very widespread attack on US and UK for not being able to handle the virus. Even I am one of those people who believe countries like the US and the UK mishandled the situation. But I am not seeing much of criticism on Sweden (partly because the American right wing wanted the US to emulate Sweden). I try to be a politically unbiased person and as per me Sweden's strategy has not been good and I have been saying that for a long time. What are your thoughts?

You asked Karl, but I'll simply say that, one, I didn't expect Sweden to do such a stupid thing by ignoring science and, two, they're pretty much now the shining example of what comes from ignoring science, and anyone arguing for a zero-policy approach to combat CV should be pointed towards their "example." 

Herd immunity only works if you can protect the vulnerable, and that's nearly impossible with a virus that can be asymptomatic, especially for as long as CV can. I also think trying for herd immunity when a vaccine would only be 1-2 years away is pretty stupid as it's doubtful you're going to reach herd immunity in that time frame anyway. 

I'm Norwegian, and our story is quite a bit different from that of Sweden.

First of all, we were hit pretty hard early on in the pandemic - much harder than Sweden.
But then we took steps, and we got it more or less under control. We are currently one of the most successful countries in Europe, Corona-wise.
Of course, things are opening up more and more, and who knows what the second wave will be like. We'll see.

Sweden, on the other hand, didn't get it so hard at first, and they basically took no steps at all. Their government issued recommendations, but left it up to the people whether or not they wanted to follow them.
They've had a rough time with the virus. They have among the highest death rates in the world (relative to the population), but still not quite as much as Italy, Spain or Great Britain.
On the one hand, they've paid a high price for their carelessness. On the other hand, it's made a lesser dent on their economy. But we won't know who has the last laugh until this whole pandemic is over - much could still happen.

Sweden has a pretty small population, though - 10 million or so. Even if Sweden turns out to have the golden ticket here, I think it would be very ill advised for a country with a significantly higher population and population density to emulate them. Norway has an even smaller population, about half that of Sweden - which I do believe was why we managed to turn things around the way we did. Now consider Italy: a significantly smaller country in terms of area, but a population 12 times more numerous than that of Norway. It stands to reason that the dynamics of the pandemic will be completely different for the two countries.

As for herd immunity - that's what they said they were going for in the UK as well, but they're even worse off than Sweden. Herd immunity doesn't work with this virus, because people seem to develop alarmingly few antibodies to it - many who have recovered, have no antibodies to Covid-19 at all.