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Post by Honolulu on Mar 27, 2020 14:26:56 GMT
That virus is all over the US now. Nowhere is safe anymore.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 27, 2020 21:22:48 GMT
That virus is all over the US now. Nowhere is safe anymore. That is my prediction. Same with Florida. These two states still have no Stay at Home Order. Florida is already being criticized for Spring Break. (They both have Republican governors.) |
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Post by politicidal on Mar 27, 2020 23:56:15 GMT
Well as Dan Patrick said, I hope their elderly don't mind dying.
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Post by Honolulu on Mar 28, 2020 12:12:28 GMT
Well as Dan Patrick said, I hope their elderly don't mind dying.
I keep hearing about this curve phenomena regarding the rate of infection and mortality rates of the infected. How can they predict that for a very possible airbourbe viral pandemic? The 6 ft rule indicates that they knew all along that this COVID-19 was a highly contagious airbourne virus. If all we needed to do was keep our hands washed and cover our mouth when we cough and not touch our faces like normal cold/flu procedures, then what is the purpose of social distancing? |
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Post by Jason143 on Mar 28, 2020 15:13:25 GMT
Well as Dan Patrick said, I hope their elderly don't mind dying.
I keep hearing about this curve phenomena regarding the rate of infection and mortality rates of the infected. How can they predict that for a very possible airbourbe viral pandemic? The 6 ft rule indicates that they knew all along that this COVID-19 was a highly contagious airbourne virus. If all we needed to do was keep our hands washed and cover our mouth when we cough and not touch our faces like normal cold/flu procedures, then what is the purpose of social distancing? They can roughly predict it using exponential growth data based on models of previous flu epidemics and limited data on current rates of transmission. But its still nothing more than a educated guess. Social distancing is needed to keep people away from infected persons. I read that the most likely route of covid19s transmission is through breathing in the particles from air, and not through touching you're face. So basically if 1 infected person coughs or sneezes in a crowded area, the virus particles will be breathed in by many people. You can wash your hands and not touch you're face all you want but you cant stop breathing in undisturbed air. |
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 28, 2020 17:59:29 GMT
movielikerIt does not really matter if you got a republican or democrat governor in regard to this virus. you can't really force people to stay at home as, at the very least, they got to go out for groceries occasionally etc. so while I think it's a bad idea for those young types to go on spring break (those types are usually screw ups anyways), there is only so much one can do before people are pretty much going to do what they want to do. sure, they probably should have shut down spring break before it ever started though as this way it will help limit the damage a bit further. so I imagine the governor may take a little flak for it in that regard.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2020 18:10:29 GMT
movielikerIt does not really matter if you got a republican or democrat governor in regard to this virus. you can't really force people to stay at home as, at the very least, they got to go out for groceries occasionally etc. so while I think it's a bad idea for those young types to go on spring break (those types are usually screw ups anyways), there is only so much one can do before people are pretty much going to do what they want to do. sure, they probably should have shut down spring break before it ever started though as this way it will help limit the damage a bit further. so I imagine the governor may take a little flak for it in that regard. No. A stay at home order has exceptions for essential services. People can go out to buy groceries and medicine, and to buy gas and seek medical treatment. They also have the right to go outside. Preferably alone or in small groups. |
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 28, 2020 18:14:43 GMT
movielikerOkay. still, I think those 'stay at home' orders are mainly just to cover politicians butts basically. so it looks like they are taking action etc. because some people will play ball(and follow the general guidelines reasonably well) and others won't. it's just the way it is. p.s. personally... I am staying more low key. but I am not going to obsess over it like some are.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2020 18:17:18 GMT
movielikerOkay. still, I think those 'stay at home' orders are mainly just to cover politicians butts basically. so it looks like they are taking action etc. because some people will play ball(and follow the general guidelines reasonably well) and others won't. it's just the way it is. p.s. personally... I am staying more low key. but I am not going to obsess over it like some are. No. A stay at home order is very effective at slowing the spread of a virus when the people comply. In some places police are breaking up big groups, non compliant activity, and sending people home. Some places that are normally crowded are deserted now. |
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 28, 2020 18:21:45 GMT
movielikerkey words... 'when people comply'. but I do agree it's generally a bad idea for people to gather in large crowds at this point in time. either way, this stuff will eventually play itself out.
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Post by Honolulu on Mar 28, 2020 18:37:00 GMT
movieliker Okay. still, I think those 'stay at home' orders are mainly just to cover politicians butts basically. so it looks like they are taking action etc. because some people will play ball(and follow the general guidelines reasonably well) and others won't. it's just the way it is. p.s. personally... I am staying more low key. but I am not going to obsess over it like some are. No. A stay at home order is very effective at slowing the spread of a virus when the people comply. In some places police are breaking up big groups, non compliant activity, and sending people home. Some places that are normally crowded are deserted now. You are definitely going to have those people that just do not care. They think they will not get it for whatever reason. When the entire world and government is responding the way they are, that means we really should listen. Then again, a lot people do not care. New York is a prime example of this. I am reducing my chances of getting COVID-19 because I take the necessary precautions when I go out.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2020 19:05:01 GMT
No. A stay at home order is very effective at slowing the spread of a virus when the people comply. In some places police are breaking up big groups, non compliant activity, and sending people home. Some places that are normally crowded are deserted now. You are definitely going to have those people that just do not care. They think they will not get it for whatever reason. When the entire world and government is responding the way they are, that means we really should listen. Then again, a lot people do not care. New York is a prime example of this. I am reducing my chances of getting COVID-19 because I take the necessary precautions when I go out. Even though it's still a bad idea, I can understand kids and teenagers not fully comprehending or wanting to comply. Kids are naturally more self involved, and have feelings of invincibility. |
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Post by Honolulu on Mar 28, 2020 19:19:14 GMT
You are definitely going to have those people that just do not care. They think they will not get it for whatever reason. When the entire world and government is responding the way they are, that means we really should listen. Then again, a lot people do not care. New York is a prime example of this. I am reducing my chances of getting COVID-19 because I take the necessary precautions when I go out. Even though it's still a bad idea, I can understand kids and teenagers not fully comprehending or wanting to comply. Kids are naturally more self involved, and have feelings of invincibility. Kids do not apply. I am talking about adults. You obviously do not see what I have been seeing from behavior inside the stores. They just do not have fear. That is why at first I was skeptical about COVID-19 being a hoax. The local news did not show inside the hospitals or dead being carried out covered in sheets. Eventually they did. Still there are so many adults that show no fear and total disregard. Some of them act like they are completely unaware of the crisis and just shopping like normal. They think the masks and people standing 6ft apart is some kind of cool social trend and not a mandatory procedure to prevent the spread of a highly contagious airbourne virus! I was thinking that maybe they cannot read, hear have problems with depth percetion or something?
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2020 19:50:27 GMT
Even though it's still a bad idea, I can understand kids and teenagers not fully comprehending or wanting to comply. Kids are naturally more self involved, and have feelings of invincibility. Kids do not apply. I am talking about adults. You obviously do not see what I have been seeing from behavior inside the stores. They just do not have fear. That is why at first I was skeptical about COVID-19 being a hoax. The local news did not show inside the hospitals or dead being carried out covered in sheets. Eventually they did. Still there are so many adults that show no fear and total disregard. Some of them act like they are completely unaware of the crisis and just shopping like normal. They think the masks and people standing 6ft apart is some kind of cool social trend and not a mandatory procedure to prevent the spread of a highly contagious airbourne virus! I was thinking that maybe they cannot read, hear have problems with depth percetion or something? There is no evidence of the Coronavirus being a highly contagious airborn virus. Yes, there's evidence of particles lingering in the air. But no evidence worldwide of anybody contracting the virus through breathing the same air an infected person was breathing. Somebody has to spit, cough or sneeze on you. You entering a room that an infected person was in 5 minutes ago --- and not touching anything --- will not infect you. ------------ ------------ Children and teenagers --- twenty somethings even --- have lttle chance of getting sick. But they do contract and spread the disease. They can slow the spread through self isolation and social distancing. But it's understandable to me why they would be more reluctant to appreciate the social responsibility. I agree about the older adults. Many still don't seem to understand. |
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Post by Honolulu on Mar 28, 2020 21:24:57 GMT
Kids do not apply. I am talking about adults. You obviously do not see what I have been seeing from behavior inside the stores. They just do not have fear. That is why at first I was skeptical about COVID-19 being a hoax. The local news did not show inside the hospitals or dead being carried out covered in sheets. Eventually they did. Still there are so many adults that show no fear and total disregard. Some of them act like they are completely unaware of the crisis and just shopping like normal. They think the masks and people standing 6ft apart is some kind of cool social trend and not a mandatory procedure to prevent the spread of a highly contagious airbourne virus! I was thinking that maybe they cannot read, hear have problems with depth percetion or something? There is no evidence of the Coronavirus being a highly contagious airborn virus. Yes, there's evidence of particles lingering in the air. But no evidence worldwide of anybody contracting the virus through breathing the same air an infected person was breathing. Somebody has to spit, cough or sneeze on you. You entering a room that an infected person was in 5 minutes ago --- and not touching anything --- will not infect you. ------------ ------------ Children and teenagers --- twenty somethings even --- have lttle chance of getting sick. But they do contract and spread the disease. They can slow the spread through self isolation and social distancing. But it's understandable to me why they would be more reluctant to appreciate the social responsibility. I agree about the older adults. Many still don't seem to understand. Oh my god people! Mask are being used just to be around them. That coughing is a sympton that happened as they got sicker. Before their symptoms showed, COVID-19 was still transmitted. You are so ignorant. That is what happened to those tourists on that cruise ship. The infected guy was still ransmitting the virus before he developed symptoms.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2020 21:35:05 GMT
There is no evidence of the Coronavirus being a highly contagious airborn virus. Yes, there's evidence of particles lingering in the air. But no evidence worldwide of anybody contracting the virus through breathing the same air an infected person was breathing. Somebody has to spit, cough or sneeze on you. You entering a room that an infected person was in 5 minutes ago --- and not touching anything --- will not infect you. ------------ ------------ Children and teenagers --- twenty somethings even --- have lttle chance of getting sick. But they do contract and spread the disease. They can slow the spread through self isolation and social distancing. But it's understandable to me why they would be more reluctant to appreciate the social responsibility. I agree about the older adults. Many still don't seem to understand. Oh my god people! Mask are being used just to be around them. That coughing is a sympton that happened as they got sicker. Before their symptoms showed, COVID-19 was still transmitted. You are so ignorant. That is what happened to those tourists on that cruise ship. The infected guy was still ransmitting the virus before he developed symptoms.
“It’s more evidence that [Covid-19] is predominantly spread through droplets and not as an aerosol,” LeVasseur said.
Physical evidence bolsters that epidemiological reasoning. When researchers in Singapore tested the air in the rooms of three Covid-19 patients, they found no virus particles on cleaned surfaces or in the air even when they took samples on days the patients were symptomatic and presumably shedding virus into the air, they reported this month in the Journal of the American Medical Association. In the room of the third patient, who shed more virus, virus particles were present on ventilation fans and numerous surfaces — but all air samples were negative."www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-can-become-aerosol-doesnt-mean-doomed/ |
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Post by Honolulu on Mar 28, 2020 21:46:46 GMT
Oh my god people! Mask are being used just to be around them. Tnhat coughing is a sympton that happened as they got sicker. Before their symptoms showed, COVID-19 was still transmitted. You are so ignorant. That is what happened to those tourists on that cruise ship. The infected guy was still ransmitting the virus before he developed symptoms.
“It’s more evidence that [Covid-19] is predominantly spread through droplets and not as an aerosol,” LeVasseur said.
Physical evidence bolsters that epidemiological reasoning. When researchers in Singapore tested the air in the rooms of three Covid-19 patients, they found no virus particles on cleaned surfaces or in the air even when they took samples on days the patients were symptomatic and presumably shedding virus into the air, they reported this month in the Journal of the American Medical Association. In the room of the third patient, who shed more virus, virus particles were present on ventilation fans and numerous surfaces — but all air samples were negative."www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-can-become-aerosol-doesnt-mean-doomed/I'm not going to argue with stupidity and information meant to lie to people who have to have physical social contact and people who need someone all up in their face in order to feel better because now that behavior is actually working against us!! Bury your head in the sand about this but I am not going to let anyone pull me into death with them or people profitting during this apocalyptic situation.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2020 21:50:58 GMT
"Even if the virus infects only a small fraction of those who come into contact with it, the extremely low rate among close contacts and the absence of infections in some household members of patients suggests that it rarely exists as an aerosol in most real-world situations.
“It’s more evidence that [Covid-19] is predominantly spread through droplets and not as an aerosol,” LeVasseur said.
Physical evidence bolsters that epidemiological reasoning. When researchers in Singapore tested the air in the rooms of three Covid-19 patients, they found no virus particles on cleaned surfaces or in the air even when they took samples on days the patients were symptomatic and presumably shedding virus into the air, they reported this month in the Journal of the American Medical Association. In the room of the third patient, who shed more virus, virus particles were present on ventilation fans and numerous surfaces — but all air samples were negative."www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-can-become-aerosol-doesnt-mean-doomed/ I'm not going to argue with stupidity and information meant to lie to people who have to have physical social contact and people who need someone all up in their face in order to feel better because now that behavior is actually working against us!! Bury your head in the sand about this but I am not going to let anyone pull me into death with them or people profitting during this apocalyptic situation. I apologize. I didn't realize I was talking with the single most intelligent epidemiologist on the planet. Forgive my ignorance. Nobody told me you knew better than everybody else. Including other epidemiologists. It won't happen again. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 29, 2020 4:58:27 GMT
Well as Dan Patrick said, I hope their elderly don't mind dying.
Or all the front line healthcare workers while he's at home sucking on sausages & dead cow eyeballs or whatever they have for breakfast in Texas.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 29, 2020 5:05:52 GMT
I believe both Texas and Florida have applied for Natural Disaster Assistance. Trump had granted them natural disaster status. And both states still don't have a Stay at Home Order.
And both have Republican governors.
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