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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 3:00:56 GMT
Day 4: Chargers over Raiders 49ers over Cardinals Steelers over Bengals Rams over Seahawks (No I don't actually watch the games, just skim through to see the final few seconds and score. What's more astonishing to me is the fans in the chat who seem legitimately upset at the results and events of a simulation.) That leaves the bracket as: Chargers vs Chiefs Bills vs Patriots Steelers vs Ravens Jaguars vs Titans 49ers vs Rams Redskins vs Giants Packers vs Lions Panthers vs Buccaneers I think I'm going to predict as so Chargers vs Chiefs - Could be a good match up as each team has some top level skill players. However I think Chiefs edge it out with Mahomes. Bills vs Patriots - Honestly, I'm just mostly not familiar with the Bills players. Steelers vs Ravens - Steelers win this I think. They're one of the better teams imo in this whole tournament. They have the advantage at WR which is huge in Madden. Jaguars vs Titans- No real clue who is on either team but I'll go the Titans as I imagine they have a good pass rush with Jevon Kearse and a decent Receiver group. Plus should have a top notch OL. 49ers vs Rams- Some may think this is an upset but think about how Madden games play out. It's all about QB/Receivers/Pass Rush plus some OL. RB's hardly matter unless they catch the ball and the linebackers and DB's don't matter much as the receiver's tend to win those matchups 7/10 times no matter the overalls. Rams got a top notch passing attack, a good pass rush, solid OL. They win in a Madden sim unless they get fucked over by random fumbles. Redskins vs Giants- Not familiar with the Washington team. Packers vs Lions- Packers should have lost to the Vikings team as they had the things that I think give teams advantages in Madden. But the game fucked them pretty hard. Lions have a good QB/Great Receiver in Megatron/meh on pass rush but GB's defense sucks ass pretty much so I think the Lions get Megatron the ball enough as they won't guard him. The running game won't matter at all unless Sanders can break 1 long run which he a possibility. Panthers vs Buccaneers - Panthers randomly have a really good team in regards to Madden. Top QB/Top Receivers in Smith/CMC/Olsen plus a pass rush with Julius Peppers. In the end I think we get the Rams vs the Steelers in the finals and the Rams winning it.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 4, 2020 8:29:45 GMT
Day 5:
Chiefs over Chargers in OT Rams over 49ers
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 3:24:30 GMT
Apparently the Steelers and the Packers won today.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 6, 2020 11:43:41 GMT
Day 7:
Patriots over Bills (by a score of 21-0...) Giants over Redskins
The GOAT virtual-Pats have allowed a grand total of 3 points in 2 games. Typical shitty Belichick defense...
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2020 11:52:45 GMT
Day 7: Patriots over Bills (by a score of 21-0...) Giants over Redskins The GOAT virtual-Pats have allowed a grand total of 3 points in 2 games. Typical shitty Belichick defense... I wish this was how they decided Super Bowls 42, 46 and 52.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 6, 2020 12:11:50 GMT
Day 7: Patriots over Bills (by a score of 21-0...) Giants over Redskins The GOAT virtual-Pats have allowed a grand total of 3 points in 2 games. Typical shitty Belichick defense... I wish this was how they decided Super Bowls 42, 46 and 52. Bill definitely should've coached better to prevent that helmet catch. Football 101!
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 6, 2020 12:16:59 GMT
I wish this was how they decided Super Bowls 42, 46 and 52. Bill definitely should've coached better to prevent that helmet catch. Football 101! Do the Giants get Belichick as their defensive coordinator in this all time scenario?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2020 12:17:20 GMT
I wish this was how they decided Super Bowls 42, 46 and 52. Bill definitely should've coached better to prevent that helmet catch. Football 101! The helmet catch wasn't in the end zone. It wasn't a one play drive.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 6, 2020 12:19:34 GMT
Bill definitely should've coached better to prevent that helmet catch. Football 101! Do the Giants get Belichick as their defensive coordinator in this all time scenario? They'd better hope not, according to Rey.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2020 14:54:53 GMT
Do the Giants get Belichick as their defensive coordinator in this all time scenario? They'd better hope not, according to Rey. I fact checked that ESPN stat the other day because I had a feeling they screwed it up. They did. It's actually 5 Brady playoff wins where the defense has given up 28+ points. The sixth one they counted was SB 51 which of course Atlanta scored on a pick six. Brady still has more than twice the number of playoff wins (5) than any other QB in history (2) where his defense has given up 28+ points. And those are just the wins. I could get a tally on the losses in which they've given up that many points. And the number of wins goes up if you drop the threshold by 1 point to 27. Is that a good defensive performance? The worst statistically ranked defense ever to make the Super Bowl was the Patriots in SB 46. The longest scoring drive in Super Bowl history happened against Belichick's defense in Super Bowl 42. (The Giants also ate the ball against the Bills in SB 25, which was the deciding factor in that game, not Belichick's defense. Go look at the game summary, don't take my word for it.) Goff choked and Gurley couldn't play in SB 53. The Rams had no plan B so they lost. The best individual defensive play in Patriots SB history is Malcolm Butler's end zone pick, which came immediately after he gave up the bomb that put Seattle there in the first place. The Patriots scored a TD with 31 seconds remaining in the first half of SB 49, but still gave up the tying TD before the half. Belichick's D got lit up by Jake Delhomme and Nick Foles in the Super Bowl, what else has either of those QBs ever accomplished? The Patriots had leads late in the 4th qtr in both SB losses to the Giants. The game before the amazing shutdown of the great Jared Goff, the Patriots gave up 24 points in the 4th qtr to the Chiefs. In that game, the Patriots took a 3 point lead with 39 seconds left and the game still went into overtime. But yeah, Belichick sure had Goff's number. Vintage Belichick defense, that was. The Patriots QB (and I'm not naming him because this isn't a QB vs. coach getting credit argument, this is strictly about Belichick's alleged defensive prowess) has the second most 4th qtr comebacks of all time, which is really strange considering the coach is a 'defensive genius' and the QB has over 500 passing TDs in the regular season alone, which means those comebacks aren't resulting in 10-7 final scores. People think I'm the crazy one because they're following the established narrative by the media. When you watch the games over the years, and actually look at the numbers, you can't help but accept reality. Do you think this is a conclusion I wanted to come to as a Patriots fan? At what point do you think I wanted to start thinking negatively about Bill Belichick? I've been saying this for years, and I didn't hear a word from anyone as the Patriots season went up in smoke last season when the defense couldn't stop a 4-11 Dolphins team from driving 75 yards for the game winning TD at the end of the 4th quarter. The real tragedy in all of this is that the Patriots have had some great individual defenders over the years. Law, Bruschi, McGinnest, Vrabel, Wilfork, Seymour, Hightower, Jones, Rodney Harrison, Devin McCourty, the list goes on and on and they're some of my favorite players of all time. But they've had bad games, and regardless, somehow their contributions get overlooked because it must be that genius coach putting them in position to win. Except he doesn't, as I've outlined above. Nobody was singing his praises in Cleveland or his first season plus here, but hand him a top five all time QB (I'd say greatest but I won't make you agree) and suddenly he's a genius.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 6, 2020 15:08:26 GMT
They'd better hope not, according to Rey. I fact checked that ESPN stat the other day because I had a feeling they screwed it up. They did. It's actually 5 Brady playoff wins where the defense has given up 28+ points. The sixth one they counted was SB 51 which of course Atlanta scored on a pick six. Brady still has more than twice the number of playoff wins (5) than any other QB in history (2) where his defense has given up 28+ points. And those are just the wins. I could get a tally on the losses in which they've given up that many points. And the number of wins goes up if you drop the threshold by 1 point to 27. Is that a good defensive performance? The worst statistically ranked defense ever to make the Super Bowl was the Patriots in SB 46. The longest scoring drive in Super Bowl history happened against Belichick's defense in Super Bowl 42. (The Giants also ate the ball against the Bills in SB 25, which was the deciding factor in that game, not Belichick's defense. Go look at the game summary, don't take my word for it.) Goff choked and Gurley couldn't play in SB 53. The Rams had no plan B so they lost. The best individual defensive play in Patriots SB history is Malcolm Butler's end zone pick, which came immediately after he gave up the bomb that put Seattle there in the first place. The Patriots scored a TD with 31 seconds remaining in the first half of SB 49, but still gave up the tying TD before the half. Belichick's D got lit up by Jake Delhomme and Nick Foles in the Super Bowl, what else has either of those QBs ever accomplished? The Patriots had leads late in the 4th qtr in both SB losses to the Giants. The game before the amazing shutdown of the great Jared Goff, the Patriots gave up 24 points in the 4th qtr to the Chiefs. In that game, the Patriots took a 3 point lead with 39 seconds left and the game still went into overtime. But yeah, Belichick sure had Goff's number. Vintage Belichick defense, that was. The Patriots QB (and I'm not naming him because this isn't a QB vs. coach getting credit argument, this is strictly about Belichick's alleged defensive prowess) has the second most 4th qtr comebacks of all time, which is really strange considering the coach is a 'defensive genius' and the QB has over 500 passing TDs in the regular season alone, which means those comebacks aren't resulting in 10-7 final scores. People think I'm the crazy one because they're following the established narrative by the media. When you watch the games over the years, and actually look at the numbers, you can't help but accept reality. Do you think this is a conclusion I wanted to come to as a Patriots fan? At what point do you think I wanted to start thinking negatively about Bill Belichick? I've been saying this for years, and I didn't hear a word from anyone as the Patriots season went up in smoke last season when the defense couldn't stop a 4-11 Dolphins team from driving 75 yards for the game winning TD at the end of the 4th quarter. The real tragedy in all of this is that the Patriots have had some great individual defenders over the years. Law, Bruschi, McGinnest, Vrabel, Wilfork, Seymour, Hightower, Jones, Rodney Harrison, Devin McCourty, the list goes on and on and they're some of my favorite players of all time. But they've had bad games, and regardless, somehow their contributions get overlooked because it must be that genius coach putting them in position to win. Except he doesn't, as I've outlined above. Nobody was singing his praises in Cleveland or his first season plus here, but hand him a top five all time QB (I'd say greatest but I won't make you agree) and suddenly he's a genius. We've been over this many times, so I think I'll skip it this time around (save it for the season when the Patriots are 5-8 and I'm inexplicably arguing with you about SB53); suffice it to say that I think you're being overly harsh, but I do admire and appreciate your passion for the topic! Part of me wants to join a Patriots forum and start posting this stuff just to see how it goes down. I'd probably be banned within an hour.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2020 15:32:40 GMT
We've been over this many times, so I think I'll skip it this time around (save it for the season when the Patriots are 5-8 and I'm inexplicably arguing with you about SB53); suffice it to say that I think you're being overly harsh, but I do admire and appreciate your passion for the topic! Part of me wants to join a Patriots forum and start posting this stuff just to see how it goes down. I'd probably be banned within an hour. That's what I like about this place, you guys are nice enough to just laugh at me while the other Pats fans ignore me. I wouldn't bother on a Boston sports board. I once questioned Chara's toughness sarcastically on ESPN board years ago and nearly got death threats. Can't imagine I'd get intelligent debate on this topic there.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 6, 2020 16:42:39 GMT
We've been over this many times, so I think I'll skip it this time around (save it for the season when the Patriots are 5-8 and I'm inexplicably arguing with you about SB53); suffice it to say that I think you're being overly harsh, but I do admire and appreciate your passion for the topic! Part of me wants to join a Patriots forum and start posting this stuff just to see how it goes down. I'd probably be banned within an hour. That's what I like about this place, you guys are nice enough to just laugh at me while the other Pats fans ignore me. I wouldn't bother on a Boston sports board. I once questioned Chara's toughness sarcastically on ESPN board years ago and nearly got death threats. Can't imagine I'd get intelligent debate on this topic there. [br To respond to the above discussion only a little bit; I'd say that you can make the 'Brady is more important' argument without resorting to saying 'Belichick as an idiot and cant coach at all.' I'd also say that their earlier successes in the first few superbowls were not built on Brady, he may have out them over the top, but the foundation was a great defense, and as things progressed Belichick's personal focus shifted to offense. BUT, I also realize we've probably had this exact discussion before and there's no point... On the other hand, what the fuck else is there to do? We are on a thread for simulated imaginary teams NFL football for fuck's sake... One angle I don't think we've brought up is the Parcells vs Belichick discussion. Given your take on Belichcik you must thibk the world of Parcells.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2020 17:15:05 GMT
That's what I like about this place, you guys are nice enough to just laugh at me while the other Pats fans ignore me. I wouldn't bother on a Boston sports board. I once questioned Chara's toughness sarcastically on ESPN board years ago and nearly got death threats. Can't imagine I'd get intelligent debate on this topic there. [br To respond to the above discussion only a little bit; I'd say that you can make the 'Brady is more important' argument without resorting to saying 'Belichick as an idiot and cant coach at all.' I'd also say that their earlier successes in the first few superbowls were not built on Brady, he may have out them over the top, but the foundation was a great defense, and as things progressed Belichick's personal focus shifted to offense. BUT, I also realize we've probably had this exact discussion before and there's no point... On the other hand, what the fuck else is there to do? We are on a thread for simulated imaginary teams NFL football for fuck's sake... One angle I don't think we've brought up is the Parcells vs Belichick discussion. Given your take on Belichcik you must thibk the world of Parcells. I'm a big Parcells fan, we've had this discussion before too, ha. I'm the only one who gives a shit enough to remember, I don't blame you for forgetting. And again, I wasn't making the 'Brady is more important than Belichick' argument, this particular post was specifically about Belichick being overrated in general. As I said the other day in another thread, I don't think BB is a hack, I just think the 'defensive genius' title hasn't been earned; or at least, not on a regular basis. Agreed the first Super Bowl against the Rams deserves defensive credit-- although they gave up two late scores to tie the game, the Ty Law pick six and they absolutely dominated the Rams receivers as well as the line of scrimmage. Anything after that is dicey. Sure he shut down Peyton a few years, but look at Peyton's playoff record. Everyone beat Peyton. They couldn't stop the Panthers in the 4th qtr of SB 38. Blah blah blah, point is I can think of many examples where the defense has let them down in important games, which shouldn't be the case for a coach with BB's reputation. I just think Belichick is overhyped, his track record bears that out. It's not like I want Adam Gase or whoever is coaching Cincinnati.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 6, 2020 18:09:29 GMT
[br To respond to the above discussion only a little bit; I'd say that you can make the 'Brady is more important' argument without resorting to saying 'Belichick as an idiot and cant coach at all.' I'd also say that their earlier successes in the first few superbowls were not built on Brady, he may have out them over the top, but the foundation was a great defense, and as things progressed Belichick's personal focus shifted to offense. BUT, I also realize we've probably had this exact discussion before and there's no point... On the other hand, what the fuck else is there to do? We are on a thread for simulated imaginary teams NFL football for fuck's sake... One angle I don't think we've brought up is the Parcells vs Belichick discussion. Given your take on Belichcik you must thibk the world of Parcells. I'm a big Parcells fan, we've had this discussion before too, ha. I'm the only one who gives a shit enough to remember, I don't blame you for forgetting. And again, I wasn't making the 'Brady is more important than Belichick' argument, this particular post was specifically about Belichick being overrated in general. As I said the other day in another thread, I don't think BB is a hack, I just think the 'defensive genius' title hasn't been earned; or at least, not on a regular basis. Agreed the first Super Bowl against the Rams deserves defensive credit-- although they gave up two late scores to tie the game, the Ty Law pick six and they absolutely dominated the Rams receivers as well as the line of scrimmage. Anything after that is dicey. Sure he shut down Peyton a few years, but look at Peyton's playoff record. Everyone beat Peyton. They couldn't stop the Panthers in the 4th qtr of SB 38. Blah blah blah, point is I can think of many examples where the defense has let them down in important games, which shouldn't be the case for a coach with BB's reputation. I just think Belichick is overhyped, his track record bears that out. It's not like I want Adam Gase or whoever is coaching Cincinnati. What did I say when we talked about Parcells before? I have no recollection. I was going to say here that he is probably best judge of coaching talent if you go by the success of his coaching tree, and that he clearly thought especially highly of Belichcik. Have you seen that 30 for 30 The Two Bills? It was pretty interesting.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 6, 2020 18:12:07 GMT
I'm a big Parcells fan, we've had this discussion before too, ha. I'm the only one who gives a shit enough to remember, I don't blame you for forgetting. And again, I wasn't making the 'Brady is more important than Belichick' argument, this particular post was specifically about Belichick being overrated in general. As I said the other day in another thread, I don't think BB is a hack, I just think the 'defensive genius' title hasn't been earned; or at least, not on a regular basis. Agreed the first Super Bowl against the Rams deserves defensive credit-- although they gave up two late scores to tie the game, the Ty Law pick six and they absolutely dominated the Rams receivers as well as the line of scrimmage. Anything after that is dicey. Sure he shut down Peyton a few years, but look at Peyton's playoff record. Everyone beat Peyton. They couldn't stop the Panthers in the 4th qtr of SB 38. Blah blah blah, point is I can think of many examples where the defense has let them down in important games, which shouldn't be the case for a coach with BB's reputation. I just think Belichick is overhyped, his track record bears that out. It's not like I want Adam Gase or whoever is coaching Cincinnati. What did I say when we talked about Parcells before? I have no recollection. I was going to say here that he is probably best judge of coaching talent if you go by the success of his coaching tree, and that he clearly thought especially highly of Belichcik. Have you seen that 30 for 30 The Two Bills? It was pretty interesting. I think it was actually me Rey had that discussion with. Or at least one of them. I remember it well; my argument was brilliant. His was awful.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2020 18:20:33 GMT
I'm a big Parcells fan, we've had this discussion before too, ha. I'm the only one who gives a shit enough to remember, I don't blame you for forgetting. And again, I wasn't making the 'Brady is more important than Belichick' argument, this particular post was specifically about Belichick being overrated in general. As I said the other day in another thread, I don't think BB is a hack, I just think the 'defensive genius' title hasn't been earned; or at least, not on a regular basis. Agreed the first Super Bowl against the Rams deserves defensive credit-- although they gave up two late scores to tie the game, the Ty Law pick six and they absolutely dominated the Rams receivers as well as the line of scrimmage. Anything after that is dicey. Sure he shut down Peyton a few years, but look at Peyton's playoff record. Everyone beat Peyton. They couldn't stop the Panthers in the 4th qtr of SB 38. Blah blah blah, point is I can think of many examples where the defense has let them down in important games, which shouldn't be the case for a coach with BB's reputation. I just think Belichick is overhyped, his track record bears that out. It's not like I want Adam Gase or whoever is coaching Cincinnati. What did I say when we talked about Parcells before? I have no recollection. I was going to say here that he is probably best judge of coaching talent if you go by the success of his coaching tree, and that he clearly thought especially highly of Belichcik. Have you seen that 30 for 30 The Two Bills? It was pretty interesting. Yeah that was a good doc. I think you pointed out Parcells has had Belichick at many of his successful stints as HC, which sdm I think also brought up in another conversation-- which is true, though BB hasn't been there for all of Parcells success. (For example, the Cowboys were terrible for years and Parcells took them to 10-6 and the playoffs in his first season there, without Belichick.) I do believe Parcells is a better HC because he had success wherever he went. Belichick has had success as a coordinator, but only as a head coach with Brady. Ultimately, my opinion, yours or that of Parcells isn't proof of anything; the proof is in the results, which aren't good when you sit down and look at them in their entirety (The anecdotes and game results I posted earlier, the fact that Belichick had a record well under .500 as a HC until Brady became his QB). It'll be interesting to see what happens from here on out.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 6, 2020 18:51:11 GMT
What did I say when we talked about Parcells before? I have no recollection. I was going to say here that he is probably best judge of coaching talent if you go by the success of his coaching tree, and that he clearly thought especially highly of Belichcik. Have you seen that 30 for 30 The Two Bills? It was pretty interesting. It'll be interesting to see what happens from here on out. It certainly will. I for one will hardly be upset if Belichick turns out to be terrible and the Pats end up cratering. But, even if the QB situation is shit for a long time (one that, depending on who you believe re: the Garoppolo fiasco, Belichick at least wanted to do something about) I strongly believe that Belichick, if nothing else, will continue to both build the team efficiently and find and develop talent (which judging from that extensive list of great Patriots defensive players you provided, he seems to do reasonably well) enough to keep the team competitive.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2020 19:02:33 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what happens from here on out. It certainly will. I for one will hardly be upset if Belichick turns out to be terrible and the Pats end up cratering. But, even if the QB situation is shit for a long time (one that, depending on who you believe re: the Garoppolo fiasco, Belichick at least wanted to do something about) I strongly believe that Belichick, if nothing else, will continue to both build the team efficiently and find and develop talent (which judging from that extensive list of great Patriots defensive players you provided, he seems to do reasonably well) enough to keep the team competitive. The only thing that worries me is those are all players from ages past. McCourty and Hightower aren't spring chickens and the last few drafts haven't been stellar. The upside is that we've had contributions on the D line from a lot of nobodies during the latter half of the dynasty, so Belichick has to be doing something right.
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Post by millar70 on Apr 6, 2020 19:15:19 GMT
Day 5: Chiefs over Chargers in OT Rams over 49ers Even in a stupid simulation game, the Chargers lose in overtime. Makes sense.....
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