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Post by Jan El Señor on Apr 1, 2020 14:24:21 GMT
Ben Solo couldn't take on the Knights of Ren without a lightsaber? I was hoping to watch him kick the shit out of all of them unarmed, just being a badass with the Force. Nope. He's completely inneffective without a lightsaber.
I thought that was pretty lame....
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 1, 2020 17:13:00 GMT
Why was Kylo Ren fighting the Knights of Ren? Weren't they his buddies? Aren't they named in honour of him? 🤔
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Post by Jan El Señor on Apr 1, 2020 17:16:22 GMT
Why was Kylo Ren fighting the Knights of Ren? Weren't they his buddies? Aren't they named in honour of him? 🤔 That too.
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Post by johnspartan on Apr 1, 2020 18:28:08 GMT
Ben Solo couldn't take on the Knights of Ren without a lightsaber? I was hoping to watch him kick the shit out of all of them unarmed, just being a badass with the Force. Nope. He's completely inneffective without a lightsaber. I thought that was pretty lame.... So, you want KRYlo to be overpowered? That would suck even more. And KRYlo could barely beat Finn even WITH a lightsaber in TFA.
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Post by wolf359 on Apr 1, 2020 21:33:13 GMT
Ben Solo couldn't take on the Knights of Ren without a lightsaber? I was hoping to watch him kick the shit out of all of them unarmed, just being a badass with the Force. Nope. He's completely inneffective without a lightsaber. I thought that was pretty lame.... So, you want KRYlo to be overpowered? That would suck even more. And KRYlo could barely beat Finn even WITH a lightsaber in TFA.
Wait a second there John Spartan!
Before you get yourself fined another credit for violation of the verbal morality statute again, I have to say that I think that you are forgetting that Ren had been shot by Chewbacca and was still bleeding pretty good when he fought both Finn and Rey in Episode 7.
I think that that was definitely a contributing factor in why Finn got that 1 good shot on him when he fought him and 1 of the reasons why Rey beat him when he fought her.
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Post by dazz on Apr 2, 2020 1:24:35 GMT
So, you want KRYlo to be overpowered? That would suck even more. And KRYlo could barely beat Finn even WITH a lightsaber in TFA.
Wait a second there John Spartan!
Before you get yourself fined another credit for violation of the verbal morality statute again, I have to say that I think that you are forgetting that Ren had been shot by Chewbacca and was still bleeding pretty good when he fought both Finn and Rey in Episode 7.
I think that that was definitely a contributing factor in why Finn got that 1 good shot on him when he fought him and 1 of the reasons why Rey beat him when he fought her. Pretty sure it was the software upgrade she got mid fight which patched her inferior combat skills she got from the Force that helped her beat Kylo in that fight, considering they didn't bother to actually show him weakening in the fight prior to that moment and she injures him further literally seconds after getting the patch.
Him actually weakening and Rey using it to her advantage drawing the fight out longer until adrenaline and anger couldn't overcome his blood loss to allow Rey the advantage would have been good, would show her smarts, keep Kylo dangerous and such, instead they did what they did...oh well.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 2, 2020 1:46:36 GMT
Wait a second there John Spartan!
Before you get yourself fined another credit for violation of the verbal morality statute again, I have to say that I think that you are forgetting that Ren had been shot by Chewbacca and was still bleeding pretty good when he fought both Finn and Rey in Episode 7.
I think that that was definitely a contributing factor in why Finn got that 1 good shot on him when he fought him and 1 of the reasons why Rey beat him when he fought her. Pretty sure it was the software upgrade she got mid fight which patched her inferior combat skills she got from the Force that helped her beat Kylo in that fight, considering they didn't bother to actually show him weakening in the fight prior to that moment and she injures him further literally seconds after getting the patch.
Him actually weakening and Rey using it to her advantage drawing the fight out longer until adrenaline and anger couldn't overcome his blood loss to allow Rey the advantage would have been good, would show her smarts, keep Kylo dangerous and such, instead they did what they did...oh well.
^^^ THIS! This, this, this! That’s EXACTLY how that duel unfolded! And that was the problem with it when trying to use the “Kylo was wounded” argument in his duel with Rey. Unlike with his duel with Finn, not once does he pause because of his wound. Not once does he hesitate or slow down. Not once does he lose focus or concentration. Not once did his skills or domination diminish. In fact there were a few times he showed off. On top of that he chased Rey around - constantly backpedaling defensively - like she was a frightened rabbit. His wound had no affect on him. Nothing changed until that Force download that she did. It was an aesthetically appealing duel with the backdrop of the snowy forest in the night. And the more physical OT dueling style. I think that’s the reason why people get hooked into not paying attention to these details. But if you go back and watch it on YouTube or something, you will clearly see that “the wound” argument falls apart in that stage of the dueling. And I agree, why they chose to choreograph it that way is a mystery to a fault.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 2, 2020 1:53:32 GMT
Ben Solo couldn't take on the Knights of Ren without a lightsaber? I was hoping to watch him kick the shit out of all of them unarmed, just being a badass with the Force. Nope. He's completely inneffective without a lightsaber. I thought that was pretty lame.... I guess his Uncle Jake Skywalker rubbed off on him...
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Post by dazz on Apr 2, 2020 2:07:46 GMT
Pretty sure it was the software upgrade she got mid fight which patched her inferior combat skills she got from the Force that helped her beat Kylo in that fight, considering they didn't bother to actually show him weakening in the fight prior to that moment and she injures him further literally seconds after getting the patch.
Him actually weakening and Rey using it to her advantage drawing the fight out longer until adrenaline and anger couldn't overcome his blood loss to allow Rey the advantage would have been good, would show her smarts, keep Kylo dangerous and such, instead they did what they did...oh well.
^^^ THIS! This, this, this! That’s EXACTLY how that duel unfolded! And that was the problem with it when trying to use the “Kylo was wounded” argument in his duel with Rey. Unlike with his duel with Finn, not once does he pause because of his wound. Not once does he hesitate or slow down. Not once does he lose focus or concentration. Not once did his skills or domination diminish. In fact there were a few times he showed off. On top of that he chased Rey around - constantly backpedaling defensively - like she was a frightened rabbit. His wound had no affect on him. Nothing changed until that Force download that she did. It was an aesthetically appealing duel with the backdrop of the snowy forest in the night. And the more physical OT dueling style. I think that’s the reason why people get hooked into not paying attention to these details. But if you go back and watch it on YouTube or something, you will clearly see that “the wound” argument falls apart in that stage of the dueling. And I agree, why they chose to choreograph it that way is a mystery to a fault. Not just that but you see in the first part of their fight when Rey tries to strike she is sloppy and amateurish as you would expect, she got the reflexes to block his blows alright, but in terms of offense she doesn't know what she is doing, then she gets patched and she knows exactly how to fight, and that's just TFA, bring in TLJ and it's even more ridiculous, she outfights Kylo against multiple enemies, which makes no sense given she does nothing else physical in the movie, Kylo is meant to "fight" Luke, and Rey is also set up as needing training, why exactly? she's stronger, faster and a better fighter than Kylo and with Snoke dead Kylo is the only threat so why does she need to train to beat the guy she has bested on multiple occasions?
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 2, 2020 20:47:59 GMT
Ben Solo couldn't take on the Knights of Ren without a lightsaber? I was hoping to watch him kick the shit out of all of them unarmed, just being a badass with the Force. Nope. He's completely inneffective without a lightsaber. I thought that was pretty lame.... Apparently, neither could Luke:
I'm an issue or two behind, but to be completely honest, I never thought "Wow, Luke needed a lightsaber to beat the Knights of Ren", I simply thought it was awesome.
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Post by dazz on Apr 2, 2020 21:32:55 GMT
Ben Solo couldn't take on the Knights of Ren without a lightsaber? I was hoping to watch him kick the shit out of all of them unarmed, just being a badass with the Force. Nope. He's completely inneffective without a lightsaber. I thought that was pretty lame.... Apparently, neither could Luke:
I'm an issue or two behind, but to be completely honest, I never thought "Wow, Luke needed a lightsaber to beat the Knights of Ren", I simply thought it was awesome.
Yeah this is a weird complaint, I mean what Jedi or Sith have we seen be effective fighters without a lightsabre? H2H isn't a big thing in SW it's blasters and lightsabres all the live long day.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Apr 2, 2020 21:46:49 GMT
I mean what Jedi or Sith have we seen be effective fighters without a lightsabre?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Apr 2, 2020 21:54:02 GMT
'm an issue or two behind, but to be completely honest, I never thought "Wow, Luke needed a lightsaber to beat the Knights of Ren", I simply thought it was awesome. The fact that Luke had a lightsaber doesn't mean he'd be helpless without one. Of course, if you have one, you'd use it....
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Post by dazz on Apr 2, 2020 22:17:14 GMT
I mean what Jedi or Sith have we seen be effective fighters without a lightsabre? A one on one fight and Obi-Wan one of the greatest warriors the Jedi had just about had the advantage, hardly stuff to make you think yeah these guys unarmed can take out 5 or so trained warriors now is it?
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 2, 2020 22:24:49 GMT
I mean what Jedi or Sith have we seen be effective fighters without a lightsabre? First of all, Ren was fighting what 6 or 7 people? Obi Wan fighting Jango 1-on-1 isn't a good argument for why Ben should be able to take on half a dozen armed people. It would have been cool to see him use his Force powers, but I'm certainly not holding it against the movie for not showing it. I'm with the other guy, I think it's a bizarre complaint. It's only of the staples of the series, I can't single out this movie for continuing that.
Additionally, Obi Wan went for that lightsaber the SECOND he got the chance.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 2, 2020 22:25:47 GMT
I don't know why they have light sabers at all when they can just force kill everybody. Plus they can stop blaster bolts in mid air or block them with their hands (Vader in ESB). Heck, according to some of you guys getting shot in the gut with a blaster doesn't even slow them down. Hell even if they do get killed what difference does it make? They just continue on as force ghosts.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Apr 2, 2020 22:27:29 GMT
A one on one fight and Obi-Wan one of the greatest warriors the Jedi had just about had the advantage, hardly stuff to make you think yeah these guys unarmed can take out 5 or so trained warriors now is it? Yeah, Ren could have just done a few of these and finished them fast.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 3, 2020 9:13:37 GMT
Why was Kylo Ren fighting the Knights of Ren? Weren't they his buddies? Aren't they named in honour of him? 🤔 Seriously, can anyone let me know what was going on? Haven't seen the film so genuinely interested in knowing why he'd be fighting his own guys. Did they sign up with the Emperor or something once he decided to no longer be evil (after killing his father, attempting to kill his mother)?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Apr 3, 2020 16:36:32 GMT
It would have been cool to see him use his Force powers, but I'm certainly not holding it against the movie for not showing it. I'm with the other guy, I think it's a bizarre complaint. It's only of the staples of the series, I can't single out this movie for continuing that. It's completely valid, especially since Ben THROWS AWAY his lightsaber right before flying to Exegol! Lol. If he can't fight for shit without a lightsaber, why would he do that?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Apr 3, 2020 16:37:10 GMT
Why was Kylo Ren fighting the Knights of Ren? Weren't they his buddies? Aren't they named in honour of him? 🤔 Seriously, can anyone let me know what was going on? Haven't seen the film so genuinely interested in knowing why he'd be fighting his own guys. Did they sign up with the Emperor or something once he decided to no longer be evil (after killing his father, attempting to kill his mother)? Apparently Palps co-opts them once Ben turns.
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