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Post by mikef6 on Apr 5, 2020 14:41:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 15:01:49 GMT
Christianity is in need of more people who understand Christ's message vs. those who use Christianity for their own purposes.
Sad part is so many who understand and appreciate his true message, are the same ones who reject it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 22:20:09 GMT
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 5, 2020 22:51:40 GMT
If you go buy the bible there is no way Jesus was conservative.
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Post by buckyv2 on Apr 6, 2020 0:09:08 GMT
If you go buy the bible there is no way Jesus was conservative. He was crucified for being an SJW and a bleeding heart liberal. And he didn't preach any hate the gay person rhetoric.
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Apr 6, 2020 1:15:42 GMT
Jesus and his Dad are capitalists. Seriously, just think how much money in royalties they must be raking in each year from all those Bible sales.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Apr 6, 2020 1:52:34 GMT
Christianity is in need of more people who understand Christ's message vs. those who use Christianity for their own purposes. Sad part is so many who understand and appreciate his true message, are the same ones who reject it. I think his message doesn’t require that people believe he’s a supernatural being. Too many Christians, especially Protestants, are enslaved to their religion and mistake piety for morality. Jesus taught his disciples how to live an honorable and free life.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2020 1:57:59 GMT
Christianity is in need of more people who understand Christ's message vs. those who use Christianity for their own purposes. Sad part is so many who understand and appreciate his true message, are the same ones who reject it.If they understand and appreciate the message, how can you possibly know they are rejecting it?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2020 2:01:02 GMT
Christianity is in need of more people who understand Christ's message vs. those who use Christianity for their own purposes. Sad part is so many who understand and appreciate his true message, are the same ones who reject it. I think his message doesn’t require that people believe he’s a supernatural being. Too many Christians, especially Protestants, are enslaved to their religion and mistake piety for morality. Jesus taught his disciples how to live an honorable and free life. Aren't both interchangeable where religion is concerned. Being a true Christian, would also mean accepting Christ as ones savior and how many so called Christian actually really do believe in this, but still act according to decent honorable Christian principles? Does that make them Christians?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 2:20:07 GMT
Christianity is in need of more people who understand Christ's message vs. those who use Christianity for their own purposes. Sad part is so many who understand and appreciate his true message, are the same ones who reject it.If they understand and appreciate the message, how can you possibly know they are rejecting it? I guess the rejection of this part of Jesus' teaching is what I'm talking about: I think there are a great number of people who know the message Jesus came with and understand and appreciate what the man was about, but that first part of this passage is hard for many to accept.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2020 2:51:24 GMT
If they understand and appreciate the message, how can you possibly know they are rejecting it? I guess the rejection of this part of Jesus' teaching is what I'm talking about: I think there are a great number of people who know the message Jesus came with and understand and appreciate what the man was about, but that first part of this passage is hard for many to accept. Are you referring to those that claim themselves to be Christians, or those that aren't religious, but don't need religion to be honorable and decent people?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:14:59 GMT
I guess the rejection of this part of Jesus' teaching is what I'm talking about: I think there are a great number of people who know the message Jesus came with and understand and appreciate what the man was about, but that first part of this passage is hard for many to accept.Are you referring to those that claim themselves to be Christians, or those that aren't religious, but don't need religion to be honorable and decent people? I'm saying it's sad to me that there are people who reflect the message of love that Jesus taught while they reject his message about God and the fruits of the spirit they could be enjoying. I'm not trying to judge or condemn someone for thinking differently than I do. I still can't help but be sad that Christianity is missing out on more people who see Jesus' message of love, vs. some message of judgement of others that some in Christianity get so much exposure from.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2020 3:20:17 GMT
Are you referring to those that claim themselves to be Christians, or those that aren't religious, but don't need religion to be honorable and decent people? I'm not trying to judge or condemn someone for thinking differently than I do. I still can't help but be sad that Christianity is missing out on more people who see Jesus' message of love, vs. some message of judgement of others that some in Christianity get so much exposure from. You can only talk to converted then, because those that don't identify as Christian, won't buy into the ideal or belief of what Christianity is supposed to represent. What are these fruits of God any person is missing out on, be they Christian or not? This is abstract in the extreme.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:32:39 GMT
I'm saying it's sad to me that there are people who reflect the message of love that Jesus taught while they reject his message about God and the fruits of the spirit they could be enjoying. I'm not trying to judge or condemn someone for thinking differently than I do. I still can't help but be sad that Christianity is missing out on more people who see Jesus' message of love, vs. some message of judgement of others that some in Christianity get so much exposure from. You can only talk to converted then, because those that don't identify as Christian, won't buy into the ideal or belief of what Christianity is supposed to represent. What are these fruits of God any person is missing out on, be they Christian or not? This is abstract in the extreme. I'm not saying a non Christian doesn't have every quality the fruits of the spirit bring. I'm saying that when I'm with abiding with the Holy Spirit in prayer I have more of these things than I did without:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_Holy_Spirit
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2020 3:46:09 GMT
You can only talk to converted then, because those that don't identify as Christian, won't buy into the ideal or belief of what Christianity is supposed to represent. What are these fruits of God any person is missing out on, be they Christian or not? This is abstract in the extreme. I'm not saying a non Christian doesn't have every quality the fruits of the spirit bring. I'm saying that when I'm with abiding with the Holy Spirit in prayer I have more of these things than I did without:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_Holy_Spirit If that is what you deride your own ideal on, that is your prerogative, but you can't possibly say what anyone else has or doesn't have within the complete whole of what these 9 fruits entail. These would only be attributed to those who identify as Christian faith as well, in terms of what holy spirit represents. That is just placing yourself on a pedestal over others, because of what you recognize as truth within yourself, which doesn't make you any greater or lessor over others either, nor them. That is the problem with religion, it compartmentalizes too much.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:58:40 GMT
I'm not saying a non Christian doesn't have every quality the fruits of the spirit bring. I'm saying that when I'm with abiding with the Holy Spirit in prayer I have more of these things than I did without:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_Holy_SpiritIf that is what you deride your own ideal on, that is your prerogative, but you can't possibly say what anyone else has or doesn't have within the complete whole of what these 9 fruits entail. These would only be attributed to those who identify as Christian faith as well, in terms of what holy spirit represents. That is just placing yourself on a pedestal over others, because of what you recognize as truth within yourself, which doesn't make you any greater or lessor over others either, nor them. That is the problem with religion, it compartmentalizes too much. Ok, so I discover the fruits to be real, and trying to share what I have discovered with those who don't believe is me putting myself on a pedestal. What would I be if I discovered the fruits to be real, and kept that I found these things were real to myself and didn't share? Jesus' command was to share these fruits. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2020 4:08:23 GMT
If that is what you deride your own ideal on, that is your prerogative, but you can't possibly say what anyone else has or doesn't have within the complete whole of what these 9 fruits entail. These would only be attributed to those who identify as Christian faith as well, in terms of what holy spirit represents. That is just placing yourself on a pedestal over others, because of what you recognize as truth within yourself, which doesn't make you any greater or lessor over others either, nor them. That is the problem with religion, it compartmentalizes too much. Ok, so I discover the fruits to be real, and trying to share what I have discovered with those who don't believe is me putting myself on a pedestal. What would I be if I discovered the fruits to be real, and kept that I found these things were real to myself and didn't share? Jesus' command was to share these fruits. My point is, you can't claim others don't have these same qualities, just because they don't share your belief. The crux is, true Christians see Christ as their savior, and then attempt to save everyone else, even when they haven't asked to be.
Those fruits are not solely attributed to Christians, they represent a way of life to live spiritually or holistically and do not require any form of belief of needing to be saved through a religion. Even Christ knew this, his tale has just been glorified. The ideal of being saved by a belief is delusion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 4:14:49 GMT
Ok, so I discover the fruits to be real, and trying to share what I have discovered with those who don't believe is me putting myself on a pedestal. What would I be if I discovered the fruits to be real, and kept that I found these things were real to myself and didn't share? Jesus' command was to share these fruits. My point is, you can't claim others don't have these same qualities, just because they don't share your belief. The crux is, true Christians see Christ as their savior, and then attempt to save everyone else, even when they haven't asked to be.
Those fruits are not solely attributed to Christians, they represent a way of life to live spiritually or holistically and do not require any form of belief of needing to be saved through a religion. Even Christ knew this, his tale has just been glorified. The ideal of being saved by a belief is delusion.
Did I not make myself clear when I said?:
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 6, 2020 4:20:06 GMT
My point is, you can't claim others don't have these same qualities, just because they don't share your belief. The crux is, true Christians see Christ as their savior, and then attempt to save everyone else, even when they haven't asked to be.
Those fruits are not solely attributed to Christians, they represent a way of life to live spiritually or holistically and do not require any form of belief of needing to be saved through a religion. Even Christ knew this, his tale has just been glorified. The ideal of being saved by a belief is delusion.
Did I not make myself clear when I said?: So it is a boast then. That only means something to you, yet it makes you sad that others don't have it. Why would you waste your energy feeling sad for others, because they don't have something you think they should. Isn't that conceit? Others haven't asked for your sadness or sympathy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 4:22:09 GMT
Did I not make myself clear when I said?: So it is a boast then. That only means something to you, yet it makes you sad that others don't have it. Why would you waste your energy feeling sad for others, because they don't have something you think they should. Isn't that conceit? Others haven't asked for your sadness or sympathy. What in the world do you want me to do? Not share what I have found in Christ on a religion board?
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