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Post by Nora on May 25, 2020 23:19:23 GMT
still nothing, so today I decided to use a different strategy. I applied for a position the company was not advertising and perhaps didnt even have or not at the shape I was proposing. I sent them a cover letter explaining why I want to do it and asking if they would consider creating this role. I figured, I have nothing to lose so why not. Have you ever tried anything like that? And if so, what where the results? Edit: update to this, yeah, they are not interested ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 7:01:53 GMT
still nothing, so today I decided to use a different strategy. I applied for a position the company was not advertising and perhaps didnt even have or not at the shape I was proposing. I sent them a cover letter explaining why I want to do it and asking if they would consider creating this role. I figured, I have nothing to lose so why not. Have you ever tried anything like that? And if so, what where the results? I did try that one time and sadly I never heard back from them. Like you said you have nothing to lose. There was on time I applied for a job and it came down to me and another person. They brought me in and told me the other person was better qualified so I didn't get that position. They went on to say that they really liked me and wanted to offer me a job even though they didn't know what that job was. At the time I had a good job but was looking for a change. I ended up taking the job on a leap of faith since they were willing to offer me a position that didn't exist. I helped develop new strategies and protocols for them. I stayed there for a few years then I left and started my own business. I found a partner and we created a successful business. Somebody came along a few years ago and offered to buy our business. We had to decide if we wanted to continue to grow this business or take the money, pay off all our debts that we accumulated starting the business and start living our lives. After a lot of deliberation we decided to sell. Maybe could have made more money down the road but who knows. I was able to semi-retire at a young age and do free lance work from time to time. I'm fortunate enough to be able to do it on my terms. If I hadn't applied for that job and been turned down for that job my life would be completely different. Moral of my boring story is that things can't happen for you unless you keep trying. You never know when something will happen to change your life.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 26, 2020 8:26:53 GMT
Waiting for a company to get back to me about a Job I applied for and am really interested in. I know that they let you know even if they dont want to proceed with your application so I know as of now I am still “in the game” and keep checking my email as well as the application portal over and over like a maniac. anybody else in a similar situation? oh yeah and I love Tom Petty. Tom Petty was from Florida (like me).
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Post by Nora on May 26, 2020 15:50:34 GMT
still nothing, so today I decided to use a different strategy. I applied for a position the company was not advertising and perhaps didnt even have or not at the shape I was proposing. I sent them a cover letter explaining why I want to do it and asking if they would consider creating this role. I figured, I have nothing to lose so why not. Have you ever tried anything like that? And if so, what where the results? I did try that one time and sadly I never heard back from them. Like you said you have nothing to lose. There was on time I applied for a job and it came down to me and another person. They brought me in and told me the other person was better qualified so I didn't get that position. They went on to say that they really liked me and wanted to offer me a job even though they didn't know what that job was. At the time I had a good job but was looking for a change. I ended up taking the job on a leap of faith since they were willing to offer me a position that didn't exist. I helped develop new strategies and protocols for them. I stayed there for a few years then I left and started my own business. I found a partner and we created a successful business. Somebody came along a few years ago and offered to buy our business. We had to decide if we wanted to continue to grow this business or take the money, pay off all our debts that we accumulated starting the business and start living our lives. After a lot of deliberation we decided to sell. Maybe could have made more money down the road but who knows. I was able to semi-retire at a young age and do free lance work from time to time. I'm fortunate enough to be able to do it on my terms. If I hadn't applied for that job and been turned down for that job my life would be completely different. Moral of my boring story is that things can't happen for you unless you keep trying. You never know when something will happen to change your life. Wonderful story thanks for sharing! Inspiring and interesting. Not boring at all I often think about such things as well. 15 years ago I applied for a job I wasnt qualified for at a company I knew NOTHING about. I just thought “why not”. After a brief phone call interview I got an interview in person in London. I went and was still fairly clueless about the company because from what I read about them they were a tech company and I didnt really understand what they did etc. a) when I got there I felt extremely underdressed as it was in a super fancy office building and I came in wearing my (good) corduroys, had a backpack on my back and dr martens on my feet. I still remember looking at the 7 inch stilletos and louis vuitton bags everybody else had and feeling super retarded. b) and I messed up most of the answers to the subject matter questions (duh, I wasnt qualified for it) and remember walking away from it thinking “well this was fun, at least they flew me to London” For reasons I only understood much later on they hired me. And this is the company that paid for me to get my second masters and moved me from Europe to the US and arranged for my green card. Had I not applied to their posting because I wasnt exactly what they were looking for (they wanted a lawyer and I was a law student) I dont think I would be living in the US, or had the education that opened many doors for me etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 9:45:11 GMT
Wonderful story thanks for sharing! Inspiring and interesting. Not boring at all I often think about such things as well. 15 years ago I applied for a job I wasnt qualified for at a company I knew NOTHING about. I just thought “why not”. After a brief phone call interview I got an interview in person in London. I went and was still fairly clueless about the company because from what I read about them they were a tech company and I didnt really understand what they did etc. a) when I got there I felt extremely underdressed as it was in a super fancy office building and I came in wearing my (good) corduroys, had a backpack on my back and dr martens on my feet. I still remember looking at the 7 inch stilletos and louis vuitton bags everybody else had and feeling super retarded. b) and I messed up most of the answers to the subject matter questions (duh, I wasnt qualified for it) and remember walking away from it thinking “well this was fun, at least they flew me to London” For reasons I only understood much later on they hired me. And this is the company that paid for me to get my second masters and moved me from Europe to the US and arranged for my green card. Had I not applied to their posting because I wasnt exactly what they were looking for (they wanted a lawyer and I was a law student) I dont think I would be living in the US, or had the education that opened many doors for me etc. Now that's an inspiring story! You took a complete shot in the dark and turned it into a career and your life. You bet on yourself, doubled down and won the pot. It's a brave thing you did. Not a lot of people would do that. The job market is so different now even compared to a few years ago. Seniority doesn't mean much anymore. In fact it seems that it's become a downfall for many people. The more money you make the better chance you have of losing your job. I know that when I was hiring people I was always looking for somebody with certain qualities that would fit in with our structure. I would much rather hire somebody with no experience, the proper attitude and train them rather than somebody with tons of experience and not willing to expand their horizons. Too many people who aren't willing to challenge themselves and they become complacent in their lives.
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Post by Nora on May 31, 2020 22:57:10 GMT
The job market is so different now even compared to a few years ago. Seniority doesn't mean much anymore. In fact it seems that it's become a downfall for many people. The more money you make the better chance you have of losing your job. I know that when I was hiring people I was always looking for somebody with certain qualities that would fit in with our structure. I would much rather hire somebody with no experience, the proper attitude and train them rather than somebody with tons of experience and not willing to expand their horizons. Too many people who aren't willing to challenge themselves and they become complacent in their lives. Exactly. Its ironic really. I observed it in the legal world on daily bases. The guy who was 20 years experienced and made over 250 K was replaced by someone with 5 years experience who took the SAME job for 130. The girl with 10 years experience who made 145 was replaced by the girl with 3 years of experience who took it at 115. And she only took such "low paying job" (it is, for new york lawyers) because she was a foreigner. A lot of foreigners and younger people will take the same jobs for 30 or more % less in various industries it seems, sometimes even with the same amount of experience. I mean, is the company to blame, for doing whats best for its profitability? Are the people who accept job under the market value to blame? Is anyone to blame at all? So while I dont support Trump at all, I DO understand that some of his supporters who are Americans and especially older (albeit skilled and willing to work just as hard) Americans feel their possibilities are getting smaller and smaller and their paycheck thinner and thinner and often its foreigners taking those jobs or companies outsourcing to cheaper countries. But I honestly don't know what the solution is. Until we all start to think as global citizens, until Africa and some parts of Asia and Latin America either do better economically or US and EUROPE does worse and it somehow evens out, so hiring a Mexican or Indian or Nigeria (I am using the nationalities I have direct experience with) will not mean they will accept a much lower paying job, what could be the solution? I am certainly not in favor of the government regulating how much private businesses should pay. And to be completely honest, I myself am doing the same thing. For some things I hire Americans but for a lot of things I will hire foreigners who work remotely from other countries and will do the job with the same quality of results for fraction of the cost as their asking price. Anyway, I am now in a phase where I myself apply for whatever my heart wants, including completely unrealistic things I am not qualified for. Will see. I am giving myself till end of August to figure it all out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 1:33:22 GMT
Exactly. Its ironic really. I observed it in the legal world on daily bases. The guy who was 20 years experienced and made over 250 K was replaced by someone with 5 years experience who took the SAME job for 130. The girl with 10 years experience who made 145 was replaced by the girl with 3 years of experience who took it at 115. And she only took such "low paying job" (it is, for new york lawyers) because she was a foreigner. A lot of foreigners and younger people will take the same jobs for 30 or more % less in various industries it seems, sometimes even with the same amount of experience. I mean, is the company to blame, for doing whats best for its profitability? Are the people who accept job under the market value to blame? Is anyone to blame at all?So while I dont support Trump at all, I DO understand that some of his supporters who are Americans and especially older (albeit skilled and willing to work just as hard) Americans feel their possibilities are getting smaller and smaller and their paycheck thinner and thinner and often its foreigners taking those jobs or companies outsourcing to cheaper countries. But I honestly don't know what the solution is. Until we all start to think as global citizens, until Africa and some parts of Asia and Latin America either do better economically or US and EUROPE does worse and it somehow evens out, so hiring a Mexican or Indian or Nigeria (I am using the nationalities I have direct experience with) will not mean they will accept a much lower paying job, what could be the solution? I am certainly not in favor of the government regulating how much private businesses should pay. And to be completely honest, I myself am doing the same thing. For some things I hire Americans but for a lot of things I will hire foreigners who work remotely from other countries and will do the job with the same quality of results for fraction of the cost as their asking price. Anyway, I am now in a phase where I myself apply for whatever my heart wants, including completely unrealistic things I am not qualified for. Will see. I am giving myself till end of August to figure it all out. The way things are now I don't think you can blame anybody. The whole idea of a business is to be profitable. I do think that this pandemic has opened the eyes of many business. As to what's needed and not needed. I have a friend who's the DM of 7 different retail stores. All the stores were closed and all the DM's furloughed. Now the stores will be reopening and all the hourly employees jobs opened up. The company had 13 different DM's in the region. 10 of those jobs were eliminated. My friend and 2 others were the only ones to keep their job. She doesn't know all the details yet but it can be assumed that all the stores will now be divided up between 3 people. I do think a lot of companies will be forced to do this to stay afloat.
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