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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 10, 2020 10:32:43 GMT
Which one of you are willing to admit that you could be wrong in your view on God`s existence ?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 10, 2020 12:07:27 GMT
I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Apr 10, 2020 12:33:13 GMT
I don't have a conviction about the existence of God either way, just strong suspicions. But I am happy to entertain the thought that suspicions can be wrong.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 10, 2020 12:47:45 GMT
Which one of you are willing to admit that you could be wrong in your view on God`s existence ? The science fiction writer Robert Heinlein in his legendary novel, "Stranger in a Strange Land," introduced the concept of the "Fair Witness." An example of a fair witness in the novel is the one who was asked what color a distant house was. His answer was, "It is white -- on this side," meaning of course that the fair witness assumes nothing. There are atheists and "theists" as well who would like to believe they are fair witnesses, but few of them are. Generally speaking the people who realize theirs is faith are less deceived than the people who only imagine themselves to be scientific and "lacking" in faith.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 10, 2020 13:45:59 GMT
Sure in the same way I'm willing to admit it's possible there's a race of outerspace leprechauns (unfalsifiable hypothesis, extraordinary claim with no actual evidence)
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Post by clusium on Apr 10, 2020 14:00:17 GMT
Which one of you are willing to admit that you could be wrong in your view on God`s existence ? Yes, I could be wrong. That is why when we say the Creed, we start off by saying "I believe..." .
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Post by thefleetsin on Apr 10, 2020 16:17:15 GMT
as long as religions remain attached to promises of eternal life with grammy and her record breaking chocolate chip cookies, i'm afraid there's no rational discourse that can be had between spirit-based believers and logic driven thinkers.
i was a dyed in the wool believer in christianity for well over twenty five years. then i woke up. and part of that waking up revolved around the history of religions and there being absolutely no proof that any god(s) have ever existed outside the imaginations of those who are profiting from them.
there are questions that needs be answered. religion isn't one of them.
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Post by amyghost on Apr 10, 2020 16:22:47 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that speculation either way is pointless. There is no proof to be had in this vale of tears, and if there's another afterward, there's never been--and never will be--substantiating evidence from it.
Mankind will always be curious about this topic, but to let it rule one's life in the here and now is ridiculous, time-wasting and completely profitless from any practical standpoint.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 10, 2020 16:46:14 GMT
Sure in the same way I'm willing to admit it's possible there's a race of outerspace leprechauns (unfalsifiable hypothesis, extraordinary claim with no actual evidence) Were you tormented by zealots who took the Bible literally? Where did you get such a bad attitude? Did your parents die in a car accident before you reached school age? Was there no one to tell you not to take the scriptures literally?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 10, 2020 16:48:37 GMT
Sure in the same way I'm willing to admit it's possible there's a race of outerspace leprechauns (unfalsifiable hypothesis, extraordinary claim with no actual evidence) Were you tormented by zealots who took the Bible literally? Where did you get such a bad attitude? Did your parents die in a car accident before you reached school age? Was there no one to tell you not to take the scriptures literally? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Are you a basketball player? You pivot like crazy.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 10, 2020 17:00:49 GMT
Which one of you are willing to admit that you could be wrong in your view on God`s existence ? The science fiction writer Robert Heinlein in his legendary novel, "Stranger in a Strange Land," introduced the concept of the "Fair Witness." An example of a fair witness in the novel is the one who was asked what color a distant house was. His answer was, "It is white -- on this side," meaning of course that the fair witness assumes nothing. There are atheists and "theists" as well who would like to believe they are fair witnesses, but few of them are. Generally speaking the people who realize theirs is faith are less deceived than the people who only imagine themselves to be scientific and "lacking" in faith. As i am very slow and not very intelligent i am not able to see what that has to do with what i asked.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 10, 2020 17:22:45 GMT
Were you tormented by zealots who took the Bible literally? Where did you get such a bad attitude? Did your parents die in a car accident before you reached school age? Was there no one to tell you not to take the scriptures literally? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Are you a basketball player? You pivot like crazy. What you said doesn't have much to do with anything, does it?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 10, 2020 17:25:22 GMT
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Are you a basketball player? You pivot like crazy. What you said doesn't have much to do with anything, does it? Do you ever make any actual counterarguments about what people say or just inane pivots about nothing and essoteric gibberish?
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 10, 2020 17:47:35 GMT
The science fiction writer Robert Heinlein in his legendary novel, "Stranger in a Strange Land," introduced the concept of the "Fair Witness." An example of a fair witness in the novel is the one who was asked what color a distant house was. His answer was, "It is white -- on this side," meaning of course that the fair witness assumes nothing. There are atheists and "theists" as well who would like to believe they are fair witnesses, but few of them are. Generally speaking the people who realize theirs is faith are less deceived than the people who only imagine themselves to be scientific and "lacking" in faith. As i am very slow and not very intelligent i am not able to see what that has to do with what i asked. My point was that few things are very certain in life. We just don't have time to establish anything with much certainty. I suppose some people are lucky and receive revelations of some kind or other but the rest know we are working with nothing more than our best guess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 23:14:24 GMT
Which one of you are willing to admit that you could be wrong in your view on God`s existence ? There absolutely could be a god. I'm willing to admit that anything I believe could be wrong, except for the fact of my own existence.
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Post by goz on Apr 10, 2020 23:34:40 GMT
I don't know.
That is why I am an agnostic atheist.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 11, 2020 4:12:24 GMT
I neither identify as religious or atheist and they both entertain the notion of God as a supreme being and creator. The believer embraces, the non-believer denies. Since I am neither a believer or denier of a religious God, how can I be wrong?
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Post by pennypacker on Apr 11, 2020 4:41:10 GMT
Doesn’t matter.
By that I mean, even if God we’re real it wouldn’t change how I feel. I don’t think such an entity is worth respect, much less worship.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Apr 11, 2020 5:13:22 GMT
I’ve no problem admitting being wrong if indeed I am wrong. My current belief about the otherwise existence of God is based on no short journey or desire. I’ve worked hard at it, sometimes without me even knowing it. I don’t know what drives me this way. And yet I have more confidence in what I believe now than I ever have.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 11, 2020 11:35:03 GMT
I don't know. That is why I am an agnostic atheist. Have you tried the atheegnosticaliforliberalzealotlumponalogs? The coffee and doughnuts after services is to die for. By the way, they know they can't swim and believe they have no beliefs until they check behind the couch.
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