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Post by swimm on Apr 28, 2017 21:56:53 GMT
The title says top 10 verses to understanding Christianity...Christianity is based off the NT. You would think the top ten verses would include scripture from Jesus. Timothy, Romans, Ephesians, Peter... Last I checked, those were found in the NT. At any rate, Christianity is every bit as much based on the OT. It is the bulk of the Bible, after all, and is also where the Ten Commandments are found. And as history shows us, religious doctrine is based 50/50 on the OT and NT. Christians pick and choose according to what is convenient. So do Muslims. The OT is Mosaic laws and traditions specifically for the people of Israel. Alot of these laws and traditions were no longer needed cause of Jesus's sacrifice. Certainly people pick and choose. But since Christianity is based of the NT they are to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ..Who didn't rape,murder, have sex with kids, and war monger across the land like a certain someone else did...
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 28, 2017 22:09:19 GMT
Timothy, Romans, Ephesians, Peter... Last I checked, those were found in the NT. At any rate, Christianity is every bit as much based on the OT. It is the bulk of the Bible, after all, and is also where the Ten Commandments are found. And as history shows us, religious doctrine is based 50/50 on the OT and NT. Christians pick and choose according to what is convenient. So do Muslims. The OT is Mosaic laws and traditions specifically for the people of Israel. Alot of these laws and traditions were no longer needed cause of Jesus's sacrifice. Certainly people pick and choose. But since Christianity is based of the NT they are to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ..Who didn't rape,murder, have sex with kids, and war monger across the land like a certain someone else did... Christianity is based on both the NT and the OT - the OT is included in the Bible for a reason, and the NT is constantly referencing it. Oh, and Jesus, too, said he was there for the people of Israel. The argument that the OT was for the people of Israel only doesn't fly because while technically true, you are then stuck with the problem of why the OT wasn't for everyone; why was it only with the NT that God started caring for other peoples as well? And besides, why should God have one set of rules for one people, and other sets for other people? I thought Christians were typically opposed to the notion of moral relativity?
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Post by johnblutarsky on Apr 29, 2017 1:56:44 GMT
Yes seriously. I know what you think you're trying to say but you need to say it. Fine! The abrahamic god is a monster that has commanded, encouraged, and/or supported murder. There is no written character that can measure up to the bloodlust of this being. Let the apologetics begin....
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Post by blade on Apr 29, 2017 16:55:45 GMT
Yes seriously. I know what you think you're trying to say but you need to say it. Fine! The abrahamic god is a monster that has commanded, encouraged, and/or supported murder. There is no written character that can measure up to the bloodlust of this being. Let the apologetics begin.... Are you saying that God killing evil people is evil? And if yes...then why?
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 29, 2017 19:54:11 GMT
Fine! The abrahamic god is a monster that has commanded, encouraged, and/or supported murder. There is no written character that can measure up to the bloodlust of this being. Let the apologetics begin.... Are you saying that God killing evil people is evil? And if yes...then why? Are you saying that the people God killed, or commanded killed, were evil? The 70 000 God killed to punish David for conducting a census that God incited him to do in the first place, they were all evil?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 29, 2017 23:46:51 GMT
Yes seriously. I know what you think you're trying to say but you need to say it. Fine! The abrahamic god is a monster that has commanded, encouraged, and/or supported murder. There is no written character that can measure up to the bloodlust of this being. Let the apologetics begin.... Murder is a legal term.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 30, 2017 12:47:48 GMT
tpfkar Sure, let's go with bestial psychopathic slaughter. And I will kill her children with pestilence and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.
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Post by johnblutarsky on May 1, 2017 15:15:07 GMT
Fine! The abrahamic god is a monster that has commanded, encouraged, and/or supported murder. There is no written character that can measure up to the bloodlust of this being. Let the apologetics begin.... Are you saying that God killing evil people is evil? And if yes...then why? - According to the stories, not everyone that was killed was evil. Surely, nice people, babies, young children, etc. we're also killed/murdered (whatever term you want to use). - There are a lot of evil people currently serving time in prison. It would be evil of the Warden to kill all of the inmates, even if the prisoners did evil things. Even if a prisoner is on death-row, it would be evil for a guard to shoot the inmate in his/her cell.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2017 15:25:19 GMT
What nice people were killed?
Well, it's not the warden's job to kill people, just like it's not the job of Christians to kill wicked people who may even be nice.
God? Jesus? They can kill whoever they wish that doesn't measure up and he's got a ton.
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Post by blade on May 2, 2017 17:05:33 GMT
What nice people were killed? Well, it's not the warden's job to kill people, just like it's not the job of Christians to kill wicked people who may even be nice. God? Jesus? They can kill whoever they wish that doesn't measure up and he's got a ton. Precisely. I didnt think he'd have a response.
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Post by cupcakes on May 2, 2017 17:08:56 GMT
tpfkar All of those evil evil toddlers and infants. I would say that God wouldn't care one way or another as long as they are treated fairly...which is why there is instruction on it to begin with. The fact is that a slave could be an overseer in the congregation his master goes to because Scripture makes pretty clear that everyone has equal rights within the church if not in society.
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Post by drystyx on May 2, 2017 17:39:29 GMT
What nice people were killed? Well, it's not the warden's job to kill people, just like it's not the job of Christians to kill wicked people who may even be nice. God? Jesus? They can kill whoever they wish that doesn't measure up and he's got a ton. Precisely. I didnt think he'd have a response. Not taking sides here, but the fact is that we have no idea of the reality of the time. The Hebrew writers wrote to an audience that "knew" what the Canaanites and others were like. Perhaps they were worse than Tolkien orcs, on an inhuman level that was even worse than normal animal cruelty, and maybe the children were just as sadistic. For example, when Elisha is taunted by the kids and send a curse to them, it's evident from earlier writings that these "children" were part of the lynch mobs, perhaps even the lynch mobs, that tortured and killed other prophets. We know that when groups of people begin taunts on an individual, they proceed to the lynching stage if not stopped. History shows us this. Those same "mob mentality people" who once lynched negro people just pick other victims today, but they're still there, and will do it if they get away with it. So, what we don't know is if those Canaanites and others were even more sadistic than mobs of today, even more evil than Isis. Maybe so, maybe not. We don't know. They may have been cognitive humans, but maybe not. We don't know. It's always proper to use caution and consider them human until proven otherwise, but we aren't positive enough to condemn the Hebrews who wrote of their evil.
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Post by cupcakes on May 2, 2017 18:34:49 GMT
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