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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 15, 2020 22:25:01 GMT
Baseball HOF voters are told to consider off-field actions and character when weighing how to vote. Football doesn’t do that. OJ for example, if he wasn’t already in the HOF, would be voted in because clearly he was an all-time great running back. Rose could have raped the ball girl on 2nd base in a sold out stadium and it’s irrelevant, he gambled on baseball. Rose is essentially Donald Trump, here’s his progression: - I never bet on baseball. - I bet on baseball but never games I was involved in. - I bet on Reds games but only on them to win. - I bet on the Reds. And he lied through his teeth for years.
but he's the all-time hits leader
(even though he's human scum)
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 15, 2020 22:27:05 GMT
And he lied through his teeth for years.
but he's the all-time hits leader
(even though he's human scum)
Hitler like kids and dogs.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 15, 2020 22:30:59 GMT
And he lied through his teeth for years.
but he's the all-time hits leader
(even though he's human scum)
The all-time hits leader bet on baseball, thereby disqualifying him. You know how much I love Pete Rose the player, right? I’m telling you that because of his gambling on baseball while playing and/or managing, he should be banned from the HOF. Nobody is bigger than the game. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 15, 2020 22:59:27 GMT
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Post by millar70 on Apr 15, 2020 23:14:37 GMT
Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.
Especially as more juicers get selected......
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 16, 2020 12:22:42 GMT
legend -
jumpin' jeff farmer
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 16, 2020 13:14:14 GMT
What is the threshold for getting into the pro wrestling hall of fame? Obviously it's not a real competition, so wins and losses and titles and stuff are sort of beside the point. Does it have to do either the degree to which you call out Vince McMahon for taking advantage of you and treating you like garbage? If you walk that back, is that when you get in?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 16, 2020 13:32:32 GMT
What is the threshold for getting into the pro wrestling hall of fame? Obviously it's not a real competition, so wins and losses and titles and stuff are sort of beside the point. Does it have to do either the degree to which you call out Vince McMahon for taking advantage of you and treating you like garbage? If you walk that back, is that when you get in? Interesting question.
I'd say a combination of things.
Popularity amongst fans.
Respect amongst your peers.
Longevity.
Influence on the business.
Technical skills in the ring
Promo/mic/stick work
Ability to to protect others/make them look good in the ring.
I'm sure the numerous wrestling fans here can add some to this as well 
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 16, 2020 13:41:32 GMT
What is the threshold for getting into the pro wrestling hall of fame? Obviously it's not a real competition, so wins and losses and titles and stuff are sort of beside the point. Does it have to do either the degree to which you call out Vince McMahon for taking advantage of you and treating you like garbage? If you walk that back, is that when you get in? Interesting question.
I'd say a combination of things.
Popularity amongst fans.
Respect amongst your peers.
Longevity.
Influence on the business.
Technical skills in the ring
Promo/mic/stick work
Ability to to protect others/make them look good in the ring.
I'm sure the numerous wrestling fans here can add some to this as well That's it and that's all. It's a show, not a true sporting event. The same requirements that get you a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. Technical skills in the ring? Hulk Hogan is a notoriously terrible technical wrestler, but one of the most popular characters in the history of pro wrestling, hence his induction into the WWE hall of fame.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 16, 2020 13:44:43 GMT
That's it and that's all. It's a show, not a true sporting event. The same requirements that get you a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. Technical skills in the ring? Hulk Hogan is a notoriously terrible technical wrestler, but one of the most popular characters in the history of pro wrestling, hence his induction into the WWE hall of fame. Not really.
Hogan had a lot of technical skill - he showed it especially in Japan.
Here is against legend The Great Muta in Japan -
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 16, 2020 13:49:18 GMT
What is the threshold for getting into the pro wrestling hall of fame? Obviously it's not a real competition, so wins and losses and titles and stuff are sort of beside the point. Does it have to do either the degree to which you call out Vince McMahon for taking advantage of you and treating you like garbage? If you walk that back, is that when you get in? It’s probably as simple as exemplary service to the industry. Even non-wrestling fans probably know the difference between Bret Hart and... I don’t know... Heidenreich. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 16, 2020 13:54:42 GMT
What is the threshold for getting into the pro wrestling hall of fame? Obviously it's not a real competition, so wins and losses and titles and stuff are sort of beside the point. Does it have to do either the degree to which you call out Vince McMahon for taking advantage of you and treating you like garbage? If you walk that back, is that when you get in? It’s probably as simple as exemplary service to the industry. Even non-wrestling fans probably know the difference between Bret Hart and... I don’t know... Heidenreich. I find Bret Hart's story one of the most polarizing and fascinating sports stories out there - to go along with the Mike Tyson's and Lance Armstrong's of the world.
Shows what ego and carrying around bitterness for years can do to a human being.
Fascinating human interest story even to this day.
It's why I enjoy sports entertainment - not the product in the ring - but the human aspect of it behind the curtain like in the movie 'The Wrestler' with Mickey Rourke - some of the wrestlers I mentioned in this thread have some of the most intriguing life stories - hitting rock bottom, losing everything, death, etc.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 16, 2020 14:00:26 GMT
What is the threshold for getting into the pro wrestling hall of fame? Obviously it's not a real competition, so wins and losses and titles and stuff are sort of beside the point. Does it have to do either the degree to which you call out Vince McMahon for taking advantage of you and treating you like garbage? If you walk that back, is that when you get in? It’s probably as simple as exemplary service to the industry. Even non-wrestling fans probably know the difference between Bret Hart and... I don’t know... Heidenreich. They know the difference in the sense that they say 'Oh yeah, I've heard of Brett Hart' vs 'Who the fuck is Heidenreich?' |
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 16, 2020 14:05:06 GMT
It’s probably as simple as exemplary service to the industry. Even non-wrestling fans probably know the difference between Bret Hart and... I don’t know... Heidenreich. They know the difference in the sense that they say 'Oh yeah, I've heard of Brett Hart' vs 'Who the fuck is Heidenreich?' My point exactly. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 16, 2020 14:17:40 GMT
That's it and that's all. It's a show, not a true sporting event. The same requirements that get you a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. Technical skills in the ring? Hulk Hogan is a notoriously terrible technical wrestler, but one of the most popular characters in the history of pro wrestling, hence his induction into the WWE hall of fame. Not really.
Hogan had a lot of technical skill - he showed it especially in Japan.
Here is against legend The Great Muta in Japan -
No he didn't. I saw a doc on Hogan once where they specifically addressed this. He wasn't a great wrestler, but he had a ton of charisma which is why he was so popular. For whatever reason he tapped into the zeitgeist like no other wrestler before him.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 16, 2020 14:24:01 GMT
Not really.
Hogan had a lot of technical skill - he showed it especially in Japan.
Here is against legend The Great Muta in Japan -
No he didn't. I saw a doc on Hogan once where they specifically addressed this. He wasn't a great wrestler, but he had a ton of charisma which is why he was so popular. For whatever reason he tapped into the zeitgeist like no other wrestler before him. Uhhhhhh. No.
All you have to do is watch the clip above.
He had technical skill - he proved it in Japan.
He was asked to play a certain type of character here - he wasn't asked to be Bret Hart in the ring.
Nor should he have been - that wouldn't have gotten over - they already had there boring bland technical wrestlers who used drop toe holds and arm bars 24/7.
Hogan wasn't asked to be that - but as shown above - could pull it off when he wanted to.
Do a lot of people hate Hogan - especially for his backstage politics? Yep - you'll find many clips on Youtube from haters stating he can't wrestle and was bad for the business - it's about as irrational as the Lebron James hate - haters gonna hate - and the elite of the elite is an easy target for the bitter folks in the business (just like any business).
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 16, 2020 14:30:53 GMT
No he didn't. I saw a doc on Hogan once where they specifically addressed this. He wasn't a great wrestler, but he had a ton of charisma which is why he was so popular. For whatever reason he tapped into the zeitgeist like no other wrestler before him. Uhhhhhh. No.
All you have to do is watch the clip above.
He had technical skill - he proved it in Japan.
He was asked to play a certain type of character here - he wasn't asked to be Bret Hart in the ring.
Nor should he have been - that wouldn't have gotten over - they already had there boring bland technical wrestlers who used drop toe holds and arm bars 24/7.
Hogan wasn't asked to be that - but as shown above - could pull it off when he wanted to.
What clip? That's a 23 minute video, and if you think I'm watching 23 minutes of wrestling, you've hit your head against the turnbuckle one too many times. Is there a particular move he does that's impressive or difficult in that match? What's more technically bland than that leg drop he was known for? I don't care, I'll take your word for it.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 16, 2020 14:38:28 GMT
Uhhhhhh. No.
All you have to do is watch the clip above.
He had technical skill - he proved it in Japan.
He was asked to play a certain type of character here - he wasn't asked to be Bret Hart in the ring.
Nor should he have been - that wouldn't have gotten over - they already had there boring bland technical wrestlers who used drop toe holds and arm bars 24/7.
Hogan wasn't asked to be that - but as shown above - could pull it off when he wanted to.
What clip? That's a 23 minute video, and if you think I'm watching 23 minutes of wrestling, you've hit your head against the turnbuckle one too many times. Is there a particular move he does that's impressive or difficult in that match? What's more technically bland than that leg drop he was known for? I don't care, I'll take your word for it. He doesn't use his typical 5 moves or so above - he actually wrestles.
Yes - it's scripted/fake - but he pulls it off against a legendary technical wrestler in his own right.
He was asked to play a certain type of character here in the U.S. - ran with it for years as it was a success - and pulled it off magnificently.
Fans would not have wanted to see that wrestler in the above clip over here - they already had those boring bland technical wrestlers - Hogan brought something else to the table that no other wrestler could pull off - his charisma and persona as you stated.
Wrestlers fit in certain boxes - heel, face, technical wrestler, brute, high flyer, etc - sometimes wrestlers throughout their careers switch boxes dependent on how the times change and need to reinvent their character - Hogan was never asked to be a technical wrestler - it would have never gotten over with the fans - didn't mean he couldn't wrestle - that 'box' never fit his persona/character.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 16, 2020 15:07:55 GMT
WWE HOF doesn't seem as exclusive as we think. The annual lists of inductees is usually 1-2 overwhelming headliners, with the rest guys & gals who managed to be on tv & ppv more often than not.
Mr. T is in their HOF.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 16, 2020 15:11:48 GMT
WWE HOF doesn't seem as exclusive as we think. The annual lists of inductees is usually 1-2 overwhelming headliners, with the rest guys & gals who managed to be on tv & ppv more often than not. Mr. T is in their HOF. Deservingly so - T wrestled in the first 'Mania and had a part in taking wrestling mainstream with Cyndi Lauper
I believe I read T and Hogan hosted Saturday Night Live the night before 'Mania I.
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