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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Apr 17, 2020 14:44:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 4:00:51 GMT
That's awesome. Dale Murphy was before my time but the way Braves fans talk about him he was a truly great dude and funs loved him. Losing him to Philly hurt a lot of feelings apparently. Pretty sure he was traded too.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 18, 2020 4:45:00 GMT
That's awesome. Dale Murphy was before my time but the way Braves fans talk about him he was a truly great dude and funs loved him. Losing him to Philly hurt a lot of feelings apparently. Pretty sure he was traded too. He was one of those players who, when they were active, seemed a sure HOFer. Don Mattingly was another. Fred Lynn
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Post by SportsFan19 on Apr 18, 2020 12:40:06 GMT
That's awesome. Dale Murphy was before my time but the way Braves fans talk about him he was a truly great dude and funs loved him. Losing him to Philly hurt a lot of feelings apparently. Pretty sure he was traded too. He was one of those players who, when they were active, seemed a sure HOFer. Don Mattingly was another. Fred Lynn
I just looked up Mattingly, for a refresher (his best years were before I started following). He never struck out 50 times in a season, not even 45 I think, despite 3-4 years of nearly Lou Gehrig production. An MVP season and a runner up the next year. Same with Murphy, who had a 4 year stretch from '82-'85 with 36, 36, 36 and 37 HR, and 162 games played each of those seasons. 2 MVPs and two more top 10. 5 straight GG's too. Another great year in '87, then he just fell off a cliff.
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Post by NJtoTX on Apr 18, 2020 12:47:57 GMT
That's awesome. Dale Murphy was before my time but the way Braves fans talk about him he was a truly great dude and funs loved him. Losing him to Philly hurt a lot of feelings apparently. Pretty sure he was traded too. He was one of those players who, when they were active, seemed a sure HOFer. Don Mattingly was another. Fred Lynn
Dick a.k.a. Richie Allen was 1 vote short of getting in by the Veteran's committee in 2014, and could go in this next cycle.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 18, 2020 17:40:46 GMT
He was one of those players who, when they were active, seemed a sure HOFer. Don Mattingly was another. Fred Lynn
Dick a.k.a. Richie Allen was 1 vote short of getting in by the Veteran's committee in 2014, and could go in this next cycle. Allen might have been in sooner if he wasn't such a dickhead
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Post by SportsFan19 on Apr 23, 2020 1:22:39 GMT
That's awesome. Dale Murphy was before my time but the way Braves fans talk about him he was a truly great dude and funs loved him. Losing him to Philly hurt a lot of feelings apparently. Pretty sure he was traded too. He was one of those players who, when they were active, seemed a sure HOFer. Don Mattingly was another. Fred Lynn
What about Eric Davis, does he fall into that category?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 23, 2020 7:41:51 GMT
He was one of those players who, when they were active, seemed a sure HOFer. Don Mattingly was another. Fred Lynn
What about Eric Davis, does he fall into that category? Yeah. Dwight Gooden too. His first couple years, Doc was the best pitcher I ever seen. Not Randy Johnson, not Greg Maddux, not Roger Clemens. He had the fastball and that damned 12-6 curve, “Lord Charles”. Filthy pitch when you have to worry about the gas. The Mets did him and Strawberry a huge disservice by letting them run wild. Ruined them both
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Post by klawrencio79 on Apr 23, 2020 13:37:44 GMT
He was one of those players who, when they were active, seemed a sure HOFer. Don Mattingly was another. Fred Lynn
What about Eric Davis, does he fall into that category? To tack on to what Goodman was saying, just take a look at Davis' first few years. Basically from 1986 (his first full-time year) through 1990, he was among the preeminent players in the game with power and speed, to go along with gold glove defense. In 1986, he slashed .277/.378/.523 (.901) with 27 homers and 80 steals against only 11 CS. In 1987, his best year in the bigs, he went .293/.399/.593 (.991) with 37 HRs and 50 steals and only 6 CS. He dealt with injuries starting in 1990 and he had trouble staying on the field, culminating in a 1997 cancer diagnosis. Despite, he came back in 1997 and had a great year for the Orioles, posting a .970 OPS with 28 HRs. Plus, he had this gem of a brawl:
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 23, 2020 17:16:27 GMT
What about Eric Davis, does he fall into that category? To tack on to what Goodman was saying, just take a look at Davis' first few years. Basically from 1986 (his first full-time year) through 1990, he was among the preeminent players in the game with power and speed, to go along with gold glove defense. In 1986, he slashed .277/.378/.523 (.901) with 27 homers and 80 steals against only 11 CS. In 1987, his best year in the bigs, he went .293/.399/.593 (.991) with 37 HRs and 50 steals and only 6 CS. He dealt with injuries starting in 1990 and he had trouble staying on the field, culminating in a 1997 cancer diagnosis. Despite, he came back in 1997 and had a great year for the Orioles, posting a .970 OPS with 28 HRs. Plus, he had this gem of a brawl: Too bad Eric Davis didn't hurt ol' Pumpkinhead bad. Enough to keep him out of the postseason.
Yeah, still a bit bitter about 1986
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 23, 2020 17:37:33 GMT
What about Eric Davis, does he fall into that category? To tack on to what Goodman was saying, just take a look at Davis' first few years. Basically from 1986 (his first full-time year) through 1990, he was among the preeminent players in the game with power and speed, to go along with gold glove defense. In 1986, he slashed .277/.378/.523 (.901) with 27 homers and 80 steals against only 11 CS. In 1987, his best year in the bigs, he went .293/.399/.593 (.991) with 37 HRs and 50 steals and only 6 CS. He dealt with injuries starting in 1990 and he had trouble staying on the field, culminating in a 1997 cancer diagnosis. Despite, he came back in 1997 and had a great year for the Orioles, posting a .970 OPS with 28 HRs. Plus, he had this gem of a brawl: Klaw, what to you think derailed Gooden? The injuries, the partying, the Mets downward spiral, the rape allegation, all of the above?
You seen him enough. The man was on another level. His 1985 season was one of the greatest pitching seasons in history. Put up by a 20 year old kid. He should have won the Cy Young as a 19 year old rookie. Still a very good pitcher in 1992. Then his career down down the toilet. I'm sure you read "the Worst Team Money Could Buy", I wonder if that circus didn't affect Doc. I hated him, like I hated the Mets at that time. But what a waste. A damned shame. He should have been one of the all time greats.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Apr 23, 2020 17:50:29 GMT
To tack on to what Goodman was saying, just take a look at Davis' first few years. Basically from 1986 (his first full-time year) through 1990, he was among the preeminent players in the game with power and speed, to go along with gold glove defense. In 1986, he slashed .277/.378/.523 (.901) with 27 homers and 80 steals against only 11 CS. In 1987, his best year in the bigs, he went .293/.399/.593 (.991) with 37 HRs and 50 steals and only 6 CS. He dealt with injuries starting in 1990 and he had trouble staying on the field, culminating in a 1997 cancer diagnosis. Despite, he came back in 1997 and had a great year for the Orioles, posting a .970 OPS with 28 HRs. Plus, he had this gem of a brawl: Klaw, what to you think derailed Gooden? The injuries, the partying, the Mets downward spiral, the rape allegation, all of the above?
You seen him enough. The man was on another level. His 1985 season was one of the greatest pitching seasons in history. Put up by a 20 year old kid. He should have won the Cy Young as a 19 year old rookie. Still a very good pitcher in 1992. Then his career down down the toilet. I'm sure you read "the Worst Team Money Could Buy", I wonder if that circus didn't affect Doc. I hated him, like I hated the Mets at that time. But what a waste. A damned shame. He should have been one of the all time greats.
Definitely a combo of all of the above. You take a kid who is that young and throw the world at him like that, you have to make sure he can handle it. In addition to all of that, the Mets inexplicably wanted Gooden to learn how to throw a slider, which he didn't need. Gooden has said that this, in part, exacerbated his injuries. The Worst Team Money Could Buy goes into detail about that. But you're right, it was just a perfect storm of terrible ingredients for a kid who went from nothing to having the world in his hand basically overnight. Gooden's incredible years were just a bit before a time where I could fully appreciate it. I was 7 during the summer of 1986. 1988 was the year where I started regularly going to Met games but I can't say I was really old enough to appreciate what I was seeing in terms of what Gooden was capable of. He was definitely still good in 89-92 but nowhere near the same.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 23, 2020 18:18:02 GMT
Klaw, what to you think derailed Gooden? The injuries, the partying, the Mets downward spiral, the rape allegation, all of the above?
You seen him enough. The man was on another level. His 1985 season was one of the greatest pitching seasons in history. Put up by a 20 year old kid. He should have won the Cy Young as a 19 year old rookie. Still a very good pitcher in 1992. Then his career down down the toilet. I'm sure you read "the Worst Team Money Could Buy", I wonder if that circus didn't affect Doc. I hated him, like I hated the Mets at that time. But what a waste. A damned shame. He should have been one of the all time greats.
Definitely a combo of all of the above. You take a kid who is that young and throw the world at him like that, you have to make sure he can handle it. In addition to all of that, the Mets inexplicably wanted Gooden to learn how to throw a slider, which he didn't need. Gooden has said that this, in part, exacerbated his injuries. The Worst Team Money Could Buy goes into detail about that. But you're right, it was just a perfect storm of terrible ingredients for a kid who went from nothing to having the world in his hand basically overnight. Gooden's incredible years were just a bit before a time where I could fully appreciate it. I was 7 during the summer of 1986. 1988 was the year where I started regularly going to Met games but I can't say I was really old enough to appreciate what I was seeing in terms of what Gooden was capable of. He was definitely still good in 89-92 but nowhere near the same. Wow, I thought you were an old fart like me.
Do you remember the woman who sat in the front row behind the plate in Shea? She was a season ticked holder and she spun her arms during every pitch by an opposing pitcher. Every pitch all 82 games. It irritated me more than the pitcher
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Post by millar70 on Apr 23, 2020 20:21:35 GMT
To tack on to what Goodman was saying, just take a look at Davis' first few years. Basically from 1986 (his first full-time year) through 1990, he was among the preeminent players in the game with power and speed, to go along with gold glove defense. In 1986, he slashed .277/.378/.523 (.901) with 27 homers and 80 steals against only 11 CS. In 1987, his best year in the bigs, he went .293/.399/.593 (.991) with 37 HRs and 50 steals and only 6 CS. He dealt with injuries starting in 1990 and he had trouble staying on the field, culminating in a 1997 cancer diagnosis. Despite, he came back in 1997 and had a great year for the Orioles, posting a .970 OPS with 28 HRs. Plus, he had this gem of a brawl: Klaw, what to you think derailed Gooden? The injuries, the partying, the Mets downward spiral, the rape allegation, all of the above?
You seen him enough. The man was on another level. His 1985 season was one of the greatest pitching seasons in history. Put up by a 20 year old kid. He should have won the Cy Young as a 19 year old rookie. Still a very good pitcher in 1992. Then his career down down the toilet. I'm sure you read "the Worst Team Money Could Buy", I wonder if that circus didn't affect Doc. I hated him, like I hated the Mets at that time. But what a waste. A damned shame. He should have been one of the all time greats.
Cocaine ruined Doc Gooden, plain and simple. Cocaine has ruined many lifes, Dwight Gooden included. |
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