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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Apr 30, 2020 18:58:19 GMT
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Post by millar70 on Apr 30, 2020 19:57:27 GMT
The Lone Ranger
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Post by RobotTheLiving on Apr 30, 2020 20:20:55 GMT
John Carter is another Disney flop that should have a better reception down the line. It's a very entertaining Sci-Fi adventure.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on May 1, 2020 1:35:54 GMT
Thanks for the laugh, Empire was very well liked when it was released by both critics and audiences and it actually skyrocketed interest instead of slowing it down. And oh please, the people who saw the original trilogy in theatres went on to have kids of their own who they introduced the lore to with episodes 4 to 6. And NOW those very kids are adults too with children of their own, and guess how most of them introduce the Star Wars mythos to their kids? Showing episodes 4, 5, and 6, whatever follows be it the prequel trilogy, the cartoons, the comic books, or the novels and video games come after in whatever order but statistically most start with the original trilogy. No serious Star Wars fan is going to have their kid be introduced to Luke Skywalker as a cranky old hermit who quit and abandoned their friends and family, no, they'll show the iconic version as introduced and developed from A New Hope to Return of the Jedi. And calling Luke in the original trilogy as a "flawless boy scout" really? Are you not familiar with the hero's journey? How much of a fan of the property are you? Or are you more of a Rian Johnson fan? NOBODY has an issue with diverse casts, the problem with the new trilogy is most of the characters are boring, and uninteresting, and seem like machines that give plot exposition. I'm pretty sure anyone, especially a newbie, who sees The Force Awakens and then watches The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker is going to be let down by the twists revolving Snoke and find Rey's parentage as a very forced addition, given Palpatine's end in Return. The sequel trilogy is just lacks the heart, attention to detail, and passion that was there at first, in 20 years most will still hold the original trilogy as the best while the prequels and sequels will probably be taking second or third place. Johnson is better left with quirky indie flicks. You don't seem to be laughing much with that essay, amigo. Of course, you spent half of it arguing a non-point. No shit most people start with the OT. No one said otherwise. However, with TLJ sitting right next to it, future generations aren't gonna have as much time to build up a distorted image of a guy who ended the trilogy chopping off his dad's hand in a fit of rage. Oh yes, I'm familiar with Luke. I'm also familiar with the Jedi, a dogmatic cult that fell largely through hubris. Rian Johnson was also familiar with these things and built upon them. What a quirky indie hack. Shoulda taken that Joseph Campbell 98 course with you. And you can find a lot of articles about how divisive Empire was when it came out. There's also common sense. RotJ spent a lot of time being lighter and more like the first film not for nothing. Future generations are going to have mixed feelings towards The Last Jedi regardless if its ten years down the road, twenty, or thirty. A person does not need to have been around when the original trilogy was produced and released or have to be a fan of half a lifetime to notice that Luke Skywalker as portrayed in The Last Jedi is a disappointment after viewing Episodes 4 to 6. Not only that, but the storytelling in the movie is pretty sloppy when you get to the nitty and gritty of it and as a second chapter of a three part story it just doesn't work the way it should. You're familiar with Luke? Then why have you gotten his character twice wrong in this discussion? And of the Jedi? Except Johnson didn't build upon anything, he was pretty much saying to the audience "there is no such thing as being aspirational, it is worthless to idolize anyone" basically. The divisiveness you speak of regarding Empire I'm afraid is being blown out of proportion by you and several of the movie's defenders. The critics who were being most, well, critical AT THE TIME thought it lacked the fun and humor of its predecessor, but still RECOMMENDED THE FILM and awarded it with GOOD ratings. They did not think it betrayed the characters or the story set forth. The movie going audience ate it up and it still kept the popularity of the IP going strong. Return of the Jedi was definitely trying to bring in the fun of A New Hope but trying to say the situation was similar with The Last Jedi to The Rise of Skywalker is just silly - because boy did they try to do more than "bring the fun back" with that attempt at an apology note. I don't recall labeling Johnson as a hack, I happen to like most of his work but based on The Last Jedi and what's its done to the property it would be for the best if he sticks to much smaller, quirky, independent fare where he can project as much of his style without anyone raising an eyebrow.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 1, 2020 5:57:11 GMT
You don't seem to be laughing much with that essay, amigo. Of course, you spent half of it arguing a non-point. No shit most people start with the OT. No one said otherwise. However, with TLJ sitting right next to it, future generations aren't gonna have as much time to build up a distorted image of a guy who ended the trilogy chopping off his dad's hand in a fit of rage. Oh yes, I'm familiar with Luke. I'm also familiar with the Jedi, a dogmatic cult that fell largely through hubris. Rian Johnson was also familiar with these things and built upon them. What a quirky indie hack. Shoulda taken that Joseph Campbell 98 course with you. And you can find a lot of articles about how divisive Empire was when it came out. There's also common sense. RotJ spent a lot of time being lighter and more like the first film not for nothing. Future generations are going to have mixed feelings towards The Last Jedi regardless if its ten years down the road, twenty, or thirty. A person does not need to have been around when the original trilogy was produced and released or have to be a fan of half a lifetime to notice that Luke Skywalker as portrayed in The Last Jedi is a disappointment after viewing Episodes 4 to 6. Not only that, but the storytelling in the movie is pretty sloppy when you get to the nitty and gritty of it and as a second chapter of a three part story it just doesn't work the way it should. You're familiar with Luke? Then why have you gotten his character twice wrong in this discussion? And of the Jedi? Except Johnson didn't build upon anything, he was pretty much saying to the audience "there is no such thing as being aspirational, it is worthless to idolize anyone" basically. The divisiveness you speak of regarding Empire I'm afraid is being blown out of proportion by you and several of the movie's defenders. The critics who were being most, well, critical AT THE TIME thought it lacked the fun and humor of its predecessor, but still RECOMMENDED THE FILM and awarded it with GOOD ratings. They did not think it betrayed the characters or the story set forth. The movie going audience ate it up and it still kept the popularity of the IP going strong. Return of the Jedi was definitely trying to bring in the fun of A New Hope but trying to say the situation was similar with The Last Jedi to The Rise of Skywalker is just silly - because boy did they try to do more than "bring the fun back" with that attempt at an apology note. I don't recall labeling Johnson as a hack, I happen to like most of his work but based on The Last Jedi and what's its done to the property it would be for the best if he sticks to much smaller, quirky, independent fare where he can project as much of his style without anyone raising an eyebrow. So Luke didn't chop his father's hand off in a fit of rage? And you can run around in circles trying to ding me on calling him a boyscout all you want. I said his IMAGE as a boyscout. The one shared by TLJ haters like yourself, and one I evidently don't agree with, so you're wasting both of our time on it. People have talked about the ironic reception of Empire since before TLJ was a glint in Johnson's eye. You're arguing with history. Will TLJ share the same fate? We can only speculate, but I can't imagine someone in the future watching the whole series in the course of a week or a month getting too hung up on Luke's character development. Especially without having 30 years of EU shit in between. As for that nihilistic take on TLJ, perhaps you recall Luke having a change of heart, accepting his mistakes and those of the Jedi, and quite literally facing them in Kylo Ren - this also providing inspiration and escape to the Resistance, who will then inspire others. TLJ haters always want it both ways: Luke is villainized, and the movie is on his side. And yet, both of these interprerations are proven wrong by the last hour of the film. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on May 1, 2020 7:05:38 GMT
Future generations are going to have mixed feelings towards The Last Jedi regardless if its ten years down the road, twenty, or thirty. A person does not need to have been around when the original trilogy was produced and released or have to be a fan of half a lifetime to notice that Luke Skywalker as portrayed in The Last Jedi is a disappointment after viewing Episodes 4 to 6. Not only that, but the storytelling in the movie is pretty sloppy when you get to the nitty and gritty of it and as a second chapter of a three part story it just doesn't work the way it should. You're familiar with Luke? Then why have you gotten his character twice wrong in this discussion? And of the Jedi? Except Johnson didn't build upon anything, he was pretty much saying to the audience "there is no such thing as being aspirational, it is worthless to idolize anyone" basically. The divisiveness you speak of regarding Empire I'm afraid is being blown out of proportion by you and several of the movie's defenders. The critics who were being most, well, critical AT THE TIME thought it lacked the fun and humor of its predecessor, but still RECOMMENDED THE FILM and awarded it with GOOD ratings. They did not think it betrayed the characters or the story set forth. The movie going audience ate it up and it still kept the popularity of the IP going strong. Return of the Jedi was definitely trying to bring in the fun of A New Hope but trying to say the situation was similar with The Last Jedi to The Rise of Skywalker is just silly - because boy did they try to do more than "bring the fun back" with that attempt at an apology note. I don't recall labeling Johnson as a hack, I happen to like most of his work but based on The Last Jedi and what's its done to the property it would be for the best if he sticks to much smaller, quirky, independent fare where he can project as much of his style without anyone raising an eyebrow. So Luke didn't chop his father's hand off in a fit of rage? And you can run around in circles trying to ding me on calling him a boyscout all you want. I said his IMAGE as a boyscout. The one shared by TLJ haters like yourself, and one I evidently don't agree with, so you're wasting both of our time on it. People have talked about the ironic reception of Empire since before TLJ was a glint in Johnson's eye. You're arguing with history. Will TLJ share the same fate? We can only speculate, but I can't imagine someone in the future watching the whole series in the course of a week or a month getting too hung up on Luke's character development. Especially without having 30 years of EU shit in between. As for that nihilistic take on TLJ, perhaps you recall Luke having a change of heart, accepting his mistakes and those of the Jedi, and quite literally facing them in Kylo Ren - this also providing inspiration and escape to the Resistance, who will then inspire others. TLJ haters always want it both ways: Luke is villainized, and the movie is on his side. And yet, both of these interprerations are proven wrong by the last hour of the film. Yes he did, his father was rubbing salt to wounds and getting him to come out of hiding, and then seeing his father weak he realized he was approaching the darkness, and turned down Palpatine's offer. In the end he stayed good and successfully convinced his father to redeem themselves. I've never viewed Luke as a flawless boy scout, but in all my years as a fan I never imagined he'd eventually turn into what The Last Jedi mostly portrayed him as being. Having a change of heart towards the end of the movie doesn't undo the wrong doings from earlier I am afraid, for a lot of people it was simply too little too late and the damage was done. Contrary to what impression you have received so far I actually don't hate The Last Jedi, but it's a very flawed movie and far from a home run and I can see why it is quite disliked. Comprehension of a movie is a lot different than the comprehension of a work of literature - you receive imagery, sound, music, and story in one package and usually in two hours time, as for being hung up on Luke's flawed character development in the sequel trilogy it just depends on how invested the individual is with what they see, but given the high regard of the original trilogy chances are they will be critical of what they see after. Just saying. And please stop, the reception to Empire was nowhere as divisiveness as The Last Jedi, and it did anything but slow down interest in the intellectual property.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 1, 2020 7:26:17 GMT
Maybe some recent horror films will become niche in 10-20yrs.
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Post by Marv on May 1, 2020 13:31:24 GMT
Movie 43...it’s got horrible reviews and seems pretty forgotten about, and not all the skits are great...but the parts that hit are hilarious and I could see it being rediscovered by the next generation.
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Post by theravenking on May 1, 2020 17:52:34 GMT
The Counselor
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Post by bluerisk on May 2, 2020 13:24:25 GMT
Prometheus
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Post by spooner5020 on May 2, 2020 19:41:09 GMT
Justice League. I’d say people were expecting too much. It’s still not a great movie, but if you take it for what it is it’s an entertaining movie.
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