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Post by scabab on Sept 2, 2017 20:01:15 GMT
And you shouldn't over hype DC villains. I wasn't impressed by a single one of the villains you just listed. Michael Shannon as Zod is as generic as they come. You don't have to be impressed with them. They are held in much higher regard than Marvel's whether you or I agree with that or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 20:03:19 GMT
And there are a lot of stupid people in this world. So you're not telling me anything meangingful.
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Post by scabab on Sept 2, 2017 20:12:40 GMT
And there are a lot of stupid people in this world. So you're not telling me anything meangingful. There's nothing stupid about it, Heath Ledger won an Oscar for his performance and is one of the most popular portrayals of a character in modern times. Nicholson's Joker was always held in high regard which is why Ledger got so much shit for being cast because nobody thought he could top Nicholson. Tom Hardy was fantastic as Bane, received huge critical acclaim for his performance as well. Then you've got Marvel with villains like Whiplash, Red Skull, Kaelicius and Malekith etc who people don't particularly give a shit about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 23:13:08 GMT
And there are a lot of stupid people in this world. So you're not telling me anything meangingful. There's nothing stupid about it, Heath Ledger won an Oscar for his performance and is one of the most popular portrayals of a character in modern times. Nicholson's Joker was always held in high regard which is why Ledger got so much shit for being cast because nobody thought he could top Nicholson. Tom Hardy was fantastic as Bane, received huge critical acclaim for his performance as well. Then you've got Marvel with villains like Whiplash, Red Skull, Kaelicius and Malekith etc who people don't particularly give a shit about. He won because he died and the Academy had been wanting to give him one for "Brokeback Mountain", anyway. It's all about studio politics, and there are enough award snubs across the Academy's history to fill several dictionary volumes to attest to that fact. Your entire argument hinges on everything always being judged fairly. Tom Hardy was a bad Smirnoff inpersonator in the last Dark Knight film. So basically, you're saying I'm wrong to like the MCU most of all the superhero films and I should renounce it because of popular opinion? It was also popular opinion, world wide, to persecute the Jews for hundreds of years. Guess I should go paint a Swastika on the doors of the nearest tabernacle I can find.
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Post by scabab on Sept 3, 2017 0:06:50 GMT
There's nothing stupid about it, Heath Ledger won an Oscar for his performance and is one of the most popular portrayals of a character in modern times. Nicholson's Joker was always held in high regard which is why Ledger got so much shit for being cast because nobody thought he could top Nicholson. Tom Hardy was fantastic as Bane, received huge critical acclaim for his performance as well. Then you've got Marvel with villains like Whiplash, Red Skull, Kaelicius and Malekith etc who people don't particularly give a shit about. He won because he died and the Academy had been wanting to give him one for "Brokeback Mountain", anyway. It's all about studio politics, and there are enough award snubs across the Academy's history to fill several dictionary volumes to attest to that fact. Your entire argument hinges on everything always being judged fairly. Tom Hardy was a bad Smirnoff inpersonator in the last Dark Knight film. So basically, you're saying I'm wrong to like the MCU most of all the superhero films and I should renounce it because of popular opinion? It was also popular opinion, world wide, to persecute the Jews for hundreds of years. Guess I should go paint a Swastika on the doors of the nearest tabernacle I can find. He didn't win because he died. Where was Paul Walker's Oscar for Fast and Furious 7? Actors die all the time where are all their Oscars after they've died? Who was more deserving of those nominated deserved that Oscar over Ledger? And no that is not what I'm saying at all. The MCU is hugely popular, it deserves it's popularity but like everything there are faults to pick out and with this series probably more than anything it's the villains. Don't compare the MCU having a bunch of forgettable villains in superhero summer blockbusters to the mass murder of millions of innocent people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 0:10:02 GMT
He won because he died and the Academy had been wanting to give him one for "Brokeback Mountain", anyway. It's all about studio politics, and there are enough award snubs across the Academy's history to fill several dictionary volumes to attest to that fact. Your entire argument hinges on everything always being judged fairly. Tom Hardy was a bad Smirnoff inpersonator in the last Dark Knight film. So basically, you're saying I'm wrong to like the MCU most of all the superhero films and I should renounce it because of popular opinion? It was also popular opinion, world wide, to persecute the Jews for hundreds of years. Guess I should go paint a Swastika on the doors of the nearest tabernacle I can find. He didn't win because he died. Where was Paul Walker's Oscar for Fast and Furious 7? Actors die all the time where are all their Oscars after they've died? Who was more deserving of those nominated deserved that Oscar over Ledger? And no that is not what I'm saying at all. The MCU is hugely popular, it deserves it's popularity but like everything there are faults to pick out and with this series probably more than anything it's the villains. Don't compare the MCU having a bunch of forgettable villains in superhero summer blockbusters to the mass murder of millions of innocent people. My core point is that the Academy and general popular opinion you keep trying to push on me are both very fallible. The Academy HAS snubbed many, many deserving nominees in the past and popularity made Titanic and Avatar the highest grossing films ever made. I cannot think of two less deserving movies.
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Post by scabab on Sept 3, 2017 0:18:46 GMT
He didn't win because he died. Where was Paul Walker's Oscar for Fast and Furious 7? Actors die all the time where are all their Oscars after they've died? Who was more deserving of those nominated deserved that Oscar over Ledger? And no that is not what I'm saying at all. The MCU is hugely popular, it deserves it's popularity but like everything there are faults to pick out and with this series probably more than anything it's the villains. Don't compare the MCU having a bunch of forgettable villains in superhero summer blockbusters to the mass murder of millions of innocent people. My core point is that the Academy and general popular opinion you keep trying to push on me are both very fallible. The Academy HAS snubbed many, many deserving nominees in the past and popularity made Titanic and Avatar the highest grossing films ever made. I cannot think of two less deserving movies. If the Academy's opinion was the same as the general audiences opinion then there's be no point in even having them. They see things differently from your average Joe. Popularity made Iron Man 3 make over $1.2 billion while American History X made $23 million. Iron Man 3 didn't deserve it either but if it wasn't for popularity you wouldn't have any of these movies to begin with. Marvel movies are popular so they make more money than other movies. Heath Ledgers Joker is popular which is why that performance will forever be remembered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 0:23:45 GMT
My core point is that the Academy and general popular opinion you keep trying to push on me are both very fallible. The Academy HAS snubbed many, many deserving nominees in the past and popularity made Titanic and Avatar the highest grossing films ever made. I cannot think of two less deserving movies. If the Academy's opinion was the same as the general audiences opinion then there's be no point in even having them. They see things differently from your average Joe. Popularity made Iron Man 3 make over $1.2 billion while American History X made $23 million. Iron Man 3 didn't deserve it either but if it wasn't for popularity you wouldn't have any of these movies to begin with. Marvel movies are popular so they make more money than other movies. Heath Ledgers Joker is popular which is why that performance will forever be remembered. Yes, the Academy is a bunch of snobs more concerned with their studio politics than giving the actual best "whatevers" of the year the little golden man. I agree. Orson Wells and Alfred Hitchcock rarely got any recognition for their efforts from the Academy and they are universally recognized as two of the greatest cinematic minds in the business. So don't try to tell me that they judge the nominees fairly. They don't. You're right. Ironman 3 deserved more.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 3, 2017 0:29:57 GMT
If the Academy's opinion was the same as the general audiences opinion then there's be no point in even having them. They see things differently from your average Joe. Popularity made Iron Man 3 make over $1.2 billion while American History X made $23 million. Iron Man 3 didn't deserve it either but if it wasn't for popularity you wouldn't have any of these movies to begin with. Marvel movies are popular so they make more money than other movies. Heath Ledgers Joker is popular which is why that performance will forever be remembered. Yes, the Academy is a bunch of snobs more concerned with their studio politics than giving the actual best "whatevers" of the year the little golden man. I agree. Orson Wells and Alfred Hitchcock rarely got any recognition for their efforts from the Academy and they are universally recognized as two of the greatest cinematic minds in the business. So don't try to tell me that they judge the nominees fairly. They don't. You're right. Ironman 3 deserved more. I think you might be getting too aggressive, but you have a point. Academy Award is more likely to give Best Picture Oscar to 'Fifty Shades Darker' than to 'Logan' SIMPLY because the former has more "drama".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 0:34:07 GMT
Yes, the Academy is a bunch of snobs more concerned with their studio politics than giving the actual best "whatevers" of the year the little golden man. I agree. Orson Wells and Alfred Hitchcock rarely got any recognition for their efforts from the Academy and they are universally recognized as two of the greatest cinematic minds in the business. So don't try to tell me that they judge the nominees fairly. They don't. You're right. Ironman 3 deserved more. I think you might be getting too aggressive, but you have a point. Academy Award is more likely to give Best Picture Oscar to 'Fifty Shades Darker' than to 'Logan' SIMPLY because the former has more "drama". Not to mention what they did after "Beauty and the Beast" (1991) managed to get enough votes to get nominated for Best Picture. What did they do? Create the "Best Animated Feature" award, to all but exile animated films from the ceremony.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 3, 2017 1:30:53 GMT
I think you might be getting too aggressive, but you have a point. Academy Award is more likely to give Best Picture Oscar to 'Fifty Shades Darker' than to 'Logan' SIMPLY because the former has more "drama". Not to mention what they did after "Beauty and the Beast" (1991) managed to get enough votes to get nominated for Best Picture. What did they do? Create the "Best Animated Feature" award, to all but exile animated films from the ceremony. They nominated 'The Reader' for Best Picture instead of 'WALL-E' and repeated this stupidity in worse ways when they nominated 'Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close' for Best Picture instead of 'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 1:55:58 GMT
Not to mention what they did after "Beauty and the Beast" (1991) managed to get enough votes to get nominated for Best Picture. What did they do? Create the "Best Animated Feature" award, to all but exile animated films from the ceremony. They nominated 'The Reader' for Best Picture instead of 'WALL-E' and repeated this stupidity in worse ways when they nominated 'Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close' for Best Picture instead of 'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2'. Yep. This is why I will remain cynical of the Academy until they start allowing all films to compete equally regardless of how they were made.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 3, 2017 3:09:14 GMT
Not to mention what they did after "Beauty and the Beast" (1991) managed to get enough votes to get nominated for Best Picture. What did they do? Create the "Best Animated Feature" award, to all but exile animated films from the ceremony. They nominated 'The Reader' for Best Picture instead of 'WALL-E' and repeated this stupidity in worse ways when they nominated 'Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close' for Best Picture instead of 'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2'. Which is sad because WALL-E was on of the best films of 2008. Inside Out was another Pixar masterpiece that was ignored by the Academy. I know it won Best Animated Feature, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 21:53:22 GMT
Oscars schmoscars.
I like what I like. Nobody needs to tell me what I like is wrong and what I should like instead. If what I like get nominated or a gild statue even thats fine but if not? Also fine. It wouldnt change my mind.
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