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Post by mikef6 on May 3, 2020 17:53:33 GMT
Reason #976 of an ongoing series called Why I Have Not Been A Baptist Since 1966. A report published this week from the National Center for Health Statistics (working under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) found that marriage rates are ridiculously low right now. There are only 6.5 marriages per 1000 people, a number we haven’t seen since 1900. Naturally, conservative Christians are blaming gay people. Because now that they’re allowed to be married, why would anyone else even bother with it? Seriously, that’s their argument. Dr. Robert Jeffress, who leads First Baptist Church in Dallas, says one reason for the drop in marriage can be traced to the landmark Obergefell decision in 2015 that legalized same-sex marriage in all 50 states, including in states where it was banned. Good luck finding any couples that go on the record to say, “We were totally going to get married, but then gay people got that same right, so we called everything off.”  Read more |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 17:55:16 GMT
Marriage is falling because it's pointless.
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Post by buckyv2 on May 3, 2020 18:37:32 GMT
It's strange how all that muddled thinking dulls the brain.
I haven't seen the Alt-right this mad since they allowed people of different races to marry each other.
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Post by drystyx on May 3, 2020 19:04:12 GMT
I think everyone on this board, including the ones most of you disregard, know that this is a ridiculous idea. We're all in agreement there, I think.
What makes marriage less of a goal today than it was 40 years ago; that's something we just SEEM to disagree on, but really we probably do agree upon.
50 years ago, the world, especially the U.S., was more village oriented, with local news, local gatherings, and more inner life. Even in the big cities, this was the case.
Travel wasn't the "norm". Now, in my job, working horse race tracks, I probably would have travelled a lot as I do now. We're sort of like "carnies".
But most people lived life in village type communities. And they knew their mates would come from a close relationship with the community. When the men joined the Marines or Air Force, they knew what women they met in Okinawa or Biloxi or Minot could easily be their true soul mate.
Today, you all know how small the world is when it comes to Romance. And when you meet someone from 300 miles away, it is quite easy to become simply "sex", and often a wild sexual adventure, even to a woman who knows that no one in her town will ever know.
Marriage is hard to fathom with this mind set. And while there are a few "saintly" people who can avoid this "cowardly" new world, most cannot, and from the latter group, a deal of hypocrisy is needed to marry someone, knowing it is a temporary arrangement for convenience. For men, marriage is something that truly gets them ahead. A single man is unlikely to ever be promoted at work, or be accepted as a leader. So most men who marry do so simply as a tool. They see their sons and daughters as "weapons"
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 3, 2020 21:00:47 GMT
Marriage is declining because, unlike in the old days, nobody needs marriage to survive. There was a time when women, especially, had few rights, couldn't find jobs, and whose only "value" was seen in their potential for marriage. Since that's no longer the case, there's fewer people that need to get married just to survive, and many people are waiting longer and longer to find someone to permanently settle down with, if they ever decide to do so at all. Right now I think marriage is mostly seen as something you do when you're older and when you've found "the one," which is a pretty radical change to what marriage used to be.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on May 4, 2020 1:32:24 GMT
Marriage is declining because, unlike in the old days, nobody needs marriage to survive. There was a time when women, especially, had few rights, couldn't find jobs, and whose only "value" was seen in their potential for marriage. Since that's no longer the case, there's fewer people that need to get married just to survive, and many people are waiting longer and longer to find someone to permanently settle down with, if they ever decide to do so at all. Right now I think marriage is mostly seen as something you do when you're older and when you've found "the one," which is a pretty radical change to what marriage used to be. This ^^
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 4, 2020 3:51:27 GMT
It's strange how all that muddled thinking dulls the brain. I haven't seen the Alt-right this mad since they allowed people of different races to marry each other.Exactly! This phony soulless bigot is just looking for an opening to be derisive, as though he is a shining paragon of all that is righteous and just.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 4, 2020 3:58:42 GMT
.......a deal of hypocrisy is needed to marry someone, knowing it is a temporary arrangement for convenience. For men, marriage is something that truly gets them ahead. A single man is unlikely to ever be promoted at work, or be accepted as a leader. So most men who marry do so simply as a tool. They see their sons and daughters as "weapons"Well said styx. This has largely been my observation too. It becomes about a boys own club and "single men", gay or straight, don't quite fit into the mold of what is considered expected or normal. I am not certain if this is something that females in higher positions feel the same way about as well when they view their male peers, or even their fellow women, but I would say by and large it is a patriarchal mindset and construct.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 5, 2020 9:48:44 GMT
Marriage is an outdated institution that we do not need in a modern society.
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Post by progressiveelement on May 5, 2020 10:17:38 GMT
Bullshit - he just can't get men out of his head when jerking off.
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Post by ᵗʰᵉᵃᵘˣᵖʰᵒᵘ on May 5, 2020 10:38:20 GMT
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Post by gameboy on May 5, 2020 16:36:57 GMT
Marriage is declining because, unlike in the old days, nobody needs marriage to survive. There was a time when women, especially, had few rights, couldn't find jobs, and whose only "value" was seen in their potential for marriage. Since that's no longer the case, there's fewer people that need to get married just to survive, and many people are waiting longer and longer to find someone to permanently settle down with, if they ever decide to do so at all. Right now I think marriage is mostly seen as something you do when you're older and when you've found "the one," which is a pretty radical change to what marriage used to be. Thank you. You've given excellent reasons why same-sex marriage is irrelevant and society and the government should stop trying to shove it down gay people's throats.
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Post by politicidal on May 5, 2020 17:16:26 GMT
I'm perfectly fine with redefining it as one man and three women.  |
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Post by general313 on May 5, 2020 17:28:36 GMT
A single man is unlikely to ever be promoted at work, or be accepted as a leader. Someone should let Apple CEO Tim Cook know about this.
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Post by Aj_June on May 5, 2020 17:37:15 GMT
A single man is unlikely to ever be promoted at work, or be accepted as a leader. Someone should let Apple CEO Tim Cook know about this. But he sometimes behaves very oddly.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 5, 2020 18:59:10 GMT
Marriage is declining because, unlike in the old days, nobody needs marriage to survive. There was a time when women, especially, had few rights, couldn't find jobs, and whose only "value" was seen in their potential for marriage. Since that's no longer the case, there's fewer people that need to get married just to survive, and many people are waiting longer and longer to find someone to permanently settle down with, if they ever decide to do so at all. Right now I think marriage is mostly seen as something you do when you're older and when you've found "the one," which is a pretty radical change to what marriage used to be. Thank you. You've given excellent reasons why same-sex marriage is irrelevant and society and the government should stop trying to shove it down gay people's throats. I didn't say marriage (straight or gay) is irrelevant. In the other thread about marriage I actually said it's useful from a legal perspective when you plan to entangle your financial life with someone else.
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Post by gameboy on May 5, 2020 19:16:51 GMT
Thank you. You've given excellent reasons why same-sex marriage is irrelevant and society and the government should stop trying to shove it down gay people's throats. I didn't say marriage (straight or gay) is irrelevant. In the other thread about marriage I actually said it's useful from a legal perspective when you plan to entangle your financial life with someone else. My partner and I have a domestic partnership contract. That's all that's needed. I realize marriage is an old heterosexual institution and the government should keep its hands off. By the same token, the government has no business creating a new institution of homosexual marriage. It's none of their business.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 5, 2020 20:23:47 GMT
I didn't say marriage (straight or gay) is irrelevant. In the other thread about marriage I actually said it's useful from a legal perspective when you plan to entangle your financial life with someone else. My partner and I have a domestic partnership contract. That's all that's needed. I realize marriage is an old heterosexual institution and the government should keep its hands off. By the same token, the government has no business creating a new institution of homosexual marriage. It's none of their business. What's a "domestic partnership contract" and how does it meaningfully differ from marriage? I also wouldn't say the government "created a new institution of homosexual marriage," I'd say they just expanded the existing institution to include it. You make it sound like homo/hetero marriages are two different things.
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Post by general313 on May 5, 2020 20:26:09 GMT
Someone should let Apple CEO Tim Cook know about this. But he sometimes behaves very oddly. Haha! Of course, no one comes close to Elon Musk for "odd" behavior.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 5, 2020 21:07:19 GMT
I didn't say marriage (straight or gay) is irrelevant. In the other thread about marriage I actually said it's useful from a legal perspective when you plan to entangle your financial life with someone else. My partner and I have a domestic partnership contract. That's all that's needed. I realize marriage is an old heterosexual institution and the government should keep its hands off. By the same token, the government has no business creating a new institution of homosexual marriage. It's none of their business. "By the same token, the government has no business creating a new institution of homosexual marriage."
They didn't "create" a new institution of marriage, gay couples were already having gay weddings before it got legalized (it just wasn't legally recognized). You do realize Ancient Rome had gay marriages, right? Are you a Milo Yiannapolis fan by any chance? You seem to like using some of the same talking points/angles as he does.
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