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Post by thefleetsin on May 6, 2020 18:51:43 GMT
christians started this holy war and we as gays are going to finish it.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 8, 2020 2:10:37 GMT
My partner and I have a domestic partnership contract. That's all that's needed. I realize marriage is an old heterosexual institution and the government should keep its hands off. By the same token, the government has no business creating a new institution of homosexual marriage. It's none of their business. What's a "domestic partnership contract" and how does it meaningfully differ from marriage? I also wouldn't say the government "created a new institution of homosexual marriage," I'd say they just expanded the existing institution to include it. You make it sound like homo/hetero marriages are two different things. The marriage is the legal contract only and as an objective term, a marriage is the joining of one thing to another. Gamey opposes marriage between same sexes as undermining a long held tradition of marriage designed for male\female union to bring forth children. A domestic partnership contract will still have a legality behind it like marriage if there is a break-up, (there is information online), it just won't involve the legal title of husband being attributed to the relationship.
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Post by clusium on May 10, 2020 22:15:29 GMT
Reason #976 of an ongoing series called Why I Have Not Been A Baptist Since 1966. A report published this week from the National Center for Health Statistics (working under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) found that marriage rates are ridiculously low right now. There are only 6.5 marriages per 1000 people, a number we haven’t seen since 1900. Naturally, conservative Christians are blaming gay people. Because now that they’re allowed to be married, why would anyone else even bother with it? Seriously, that’s their argument. Dr. Robert Jeffress, who leads First Baptist Church in Dallas, says one reason for the drop in marriage can be traced to the landmark Obergefell decision in 2015 that legalized same-sex marriage in all 50 states, including in states where it was banned. Good luck finding any couples that go on the record to say, “We were totally going to get married, but then gay people got that same right, so we called everything off.”  Read moreThe fact that in recent decades, more & more people have sexual relations outside of marriage, is the reason with more & more straight people not getting married. At one time, when virginity was kept until marriage, weddings were common. But, in the case of men, if they can sex with the girl & even have kids with her without walking down the aisle, they do want to propose to their girlfriends. They like the fact that they are getting the sexual life with their ladies, without having to go through the ceremony. They have summed up their POVs this way: "Why buy the milk, when the cow is for free?"
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Post by goz on May 11, 2020 0:15:30 GMT
Reason #976 of an ongoing series called Why I Have Not Been A Baptist Since 1966. A report published this week from the National Center for Health Statistics (working under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) found that marriage rates are ridiculously low right now. There are only 6.5 marriages per 1000 people, a number we haven’t seen since 1900. Naturally, conservative Christians are blaming gay people. Because now that they’re allowed to be married, why would anyone else even bother with it? Seriously, that’s their argument. Dr. Robert Jeffress, who leads First Baptist Church in Dallas, says one reason for the drop in marriage can be traced to the landmark Obergefell decision in 2015 that legalized same-sex marriage in all 50 states, including in states where it was banned. Good luck finding any couples that go on the record to say, “We were totally going to get married, but then gay people got that same right, so we called everything off.” Read moreThe fact that in recent decades, more & more people have sexual relations outside of marriage, is the reason with more & more straight people not getting married. At one time, when virginity was kept until marriage, weddings were common. But, in the case of men, if they can sex with the girl & even have kids with her without walking down the aisle, they do want to propose to their girlfriends. They like the fact that they are getting the sexual life with their ladies, without having to go through the ceremony. They have summed up their POVs this way: "Why buy the milk, when the cow is for free?" What an abjectly cynical (and unrealistic ) point of view! It is also sexist, as though women get nothing from a sexual relationship with man even if it is totally monogamous and long term.
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Post by clusium on May 11, 2020 0:22:59 GMT
The fact that in recent decades, more & more people have sexual relations outside of marriage, is the reason with more & more straight people not getting married. At one time, when virginity was kept until marriage, weddings were common. But, in the case of men, if they can sex with the girl & even have kids with her without walking down the aisle, they do want to propose to their girlfriends. They like the fact that they are getting the sexual life with their ladies, without having to go through the ceremony. They have summed up their POVs this way: "Why buy the milk, when the cow is for free?" What an abjectly cynical (and unrealistic ) point of view! It is also sexist, as though women get nothing from a sexual relationship with man even if it is totally monogamous and long term. No!!!! That is the truth. "Why Buy The Cow When The Milk Is For Free"
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Post by goz on May 11, 2020 1:56:43 GMT
What an abjectly cynical (and unrealistic ) point of view! It is also sexist, as though women get nothing from a sexual relationship with man even if it is totally monogamous and long term. No!!!! That is the truth. "Why Buy The Cow When The Milk Is For Free" What? I don't know how old you are butt things have come a long way in relationships with the advent of contraception giving women choice of partner and when to have sex with whom and how often.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 11, 2020 2:10:13 GMT
Reason #976 of an ongoing series called Why I Have Not Been A Baptist Since 1966. A report published this week from the National Center for Health Statistics (working under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) found that marriage rates are ridiculously low right now. There are only 6.5 marriages per 1000 people, a number we haven’t seen since 1900. Naturally, conservative Christians are blaming gay people. Because now that they’re allowed to be married, why would anyone else even bother with it? Seriously, that’s their argument. Dr. Robert Jeffress, who leads First Baptist Church in Dallas, says one reason for the drop in marriage can be traced to the landmark Obergefell decision in 2015 that legalized same-sex marriage in all 50 states, including in states where it was banned. Good luck finding any couples that go on the record to say, “We were totally going to get married, but then gay people got that same right, so we called everything off.” Read moreThe fact that in recent decades, more & more people have sexual relations outside of marriage, is the reason with more & more straight people not getting married. At one time, when virginity was kept until marriage, weddings were common. But, in the case of men, if they can sex with the girl & even have kids with her without walking down the aisle, they do want to propose to their girlfriends. They like the fact that they are getting the sexual life with their ladies, without having to go through the ceremony. They have summed up their POVs this way: "Why buy the milk, when the cow is for free?" What's the evidence that "more and more people have sex... outside of marriage?" In many past (and some current) cultures, virginity was kept by overbearing fathers who viewed their daughters as potentially valuable property and marriage as a lucrative business arrangement. Of course it's nonsense about men not wanting marriage when they can just have sex. It's also a relatively recent (and Western) myth. In older times, it was often thought that women were the more sexual beings that needed men to tie them down with marriage. Not sure when that thinking/attitude changed, but both extremes are silly. Most all human beings desire sex, and some portion of those people desire a monogamous relationship with a partner, regardless of sexual availability. Your "why buy the milk" could be equally applied to women. You just presume the (demonstrably false) stereotype that men only want sex while women only want relationships.
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