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Post by stefancrosscoe on May 10, 2020 13:50:22 GMT
Thanks 😊 Manhunter is probably my favourite film. I love everything about it, the actors are all incredible, the cinematography, that they make Dollarhyde a monster that you pity, that moment when Will realised the killer has seen the films. Everything! You're welcome,  as it is always a joy to catch up with other fans of this truly special and very well made/acted, groundbreaking little thriller by Michael Mann. I agree completely with all you have written of the films memorable strenghts and especially how Dante Spinotti's and Michael Mann's stylish and elegant combination of using colors, lights, different camera angles and more, in order to create a truly special and very haunting or dreamlike movie, that really is like very few others, in both what you see, but also what you do not see, which I think is maybe even more impressive. Yes, Tom Noonan (a fantastic character actor) does an incredible way of portraying such a "monstrous" figure as Francis, yet in a very complicated and fragile way as you mentioned, and he is not just another creepy looking "Hollywood" stereotypical monster, and as Will later on explains to his best friend and partner (Dennis Farina): "Someone took a kid and manufactured a monster."Some of the most beautiful, emotional and stylish shot scenes in that movie, I think was very much down to Tom and his fantastic way of never "overdoing" his character, and he went for almost a "childlike" personality, trapped inside a grown up man, and it was such a painful sight, specially to see when he almost came close of getting the chance of fulfilling his long time dream, to be "seen" and loved by a woman, and then it all just went down into a very dark place, when the "Red dragon" finally overpowered him, and after that, Francis was, well Francis was, gone, for good!
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Post by stefancrosscoe on May 10, 2020 14:05:19 GMT
Also, I couldn't help but notice your signature, which happens to be one of my favorite movies scenes, and not just from Manhunter, but any movie, really. I posted a few days ago, (I think it was in the general discussion section) where people could put up their favorite movie shot, and I felt that very scene deserved to be mentioned, as it is such a powerful, and important one. "It's just you and me now, sport. I'm gonna find you, goddamnit!" - Will Graham (William Peterson) in Manhunter (1986)This scene, might not be the most famous or impressive shot in the film, I mean, it is one those rare ones, where almost every scene has some kind of an incredible, almost art-like striking "painting" imagery or scenery to them, which I guess is mostly to do with the work of Dante Spinotti, but of course Michael Mann and his way of coming up with the right colors, lights and so on, just made for a brilliant team back then. Anyway, the scene or movie shot that I went with, is the first one where Will Graham begins to really feel "connected" to this ruthless and seemingly unstoppable serial killer (Tom Noonan) and he knows time is running away, and that things are getting quite desperate. So, it is a kind of now or never moment, as he is so deep into the whole situation, that there is absolutely no turning back, even (as his wife earlier says to him) "William... you're gonna make yourself sick or get yourself killed.". It also concludes the first half of the film, and where next up it starts to getting closer to the murderer, and the whole thing just keep one building slowly towards their climatic confrontation. Yes, there is much later on, a similar and maybe even more impressive shot, as where Graham and his friend and co-worker (Dennis Farina) find themselv inside a hotel room and it really is the last chance they might ever get to capture or stop the Tooth Fairy, and where Will is placing his hand on the window, and getting all the "clues" together in piece, and where this beautiful music called Graham's Theme by Michel Rubini just makes the whole thing even more impressive and powerful. Still, I do think the more downbeat version of that instrumental, is maybe even better or more effective in this little but very important scene:
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Post by Dazed on May 10, 2020 19:17:24 GMT
I'm so happy to meet another Manhunter fan. Back in the day on IMDb I spent many hours on the Manhunter board engaging those who preferred Red Dragon! I totally agree with you about Noonan, it is exceptional how he portrays the insecurities of the character using just gestures. For example when he meets Reba he places his hand over his mouth to cover his scarred lips. Although his harelip is mentioned a lot in the book but not the film, Noonan effectively shows us that he is a self conscious, shy man. The scene that you mention where he perceives Reba as being intimate with her co-worker is truly heartbreaking, his emotions from the joy of seeing her to despair at her apparent betrayal are all played out on his face with the amazing soundtrack playing.
It may not surprise you to know that I adore the soundtrack too!
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Post by stefancrosscoe on May 10, 2020 19:53:32 GMT
I'm so happy to meet another Manhunter fan. Back in the day on IMDb I spent many hours on the Manhunter board engaging those who preferred Red Dragon! I totally agree with you about Noonan, it is exceptional how he portrays the insecurities of the character using just gestures. For example when he meets Reba he places his hand over his mouth to cover his scarred lips. Although his harelip is mentioned a lot in the book but not the film, Noonan effectively shows us that he is a self conscious, shy man. The scene that you mention where he perceives Reba as being intimate with her co-worker is truly heartbreaking, his emotions from the joy of seeing her to despair at her apparent betrayal are all played out on his face with the amazing soundtrack playing. It may not surprise you to know that I adore the soundtrack too! I do believe there are surely a lot of other fans of this incredible movie here as well, however I guess after the old IMDb forums went down, most just ended up taking onto very different movies places or other social media sites, and it just did not quite become the same. However, I hope you enjoy your stay here, as there are lots of very nice people all over, and who has so much to offer and I think it is one of the better places to hang around, or just chat up about everything and nothing really. I did try during the last few years of IMDb, to also engage in a few "discussions" with both fans of Manhunter, but also the other "camp", the ones of preferred Red Dragon, and it just seemed like the place ended up more like a "war zone" at times, and I just decided it was no longer worth spending time there, sadly. Yes, the scene where he first covers his face or mouth, which I think later on was followed up during the whole "The Big Hush" part, and was such a stunning piece of cinema, especially when he finally lets Reba touch his face (but she is of course a sleep by then) but it means so much for him, and then the beautiful sunset during the whole morning scene, sadly, it did not last for long, but at least for a short while, poor Francis finally felt loved as a human being, and that must have felt fantastic. Yeah, I guess we are either for or against the soundtrack, cause every time I read or hear something negative about the movie, is because someone thinks it sounds "out dated" or too big or huge in sounds and so on, but I rather have all that, than the boring and almost complete "sleeping" pill that become what ended up as music in the "remake" of Red Dragon (2002). Speaking of the Manhunter soundtrack, I just love how Michael Mann had such a great way of picking out all these very different but unique artists and their way of making such a huge impact on each of the scenes, and I was so happy when the CD finally arrived almost 10 years ago, and it stands as one of my most treasured soundtracks. There are a lot of great fanmade Manhunter music videos, but the one that I think perfectly sums up both the film, style, characters, story and of course use of music, is really this one: The Prime Movers - Strong As I Am
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Post by petrolino on May 13, 2020 18:51:17 GMT
Great movie.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on May 14, 2020 6:34:52 GMT
Do YOU prefer Near Dark OR The Lost Boys?
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