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Post by politicidal on May 5, 2020 19:38:11 GMT
Posting this before someone contorts it into oblivion to fit within their own factual theory.
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Jenkins, who previously directed 2017's Wonder Woman, praised DC's approach in a recent issue of Total Film magazine (via ComicBookMovie.com). She appreciates the way DC movies don't resemble those that came before; for example, Birds of Prey was nothing like Joker. When it comes to the shared universe format, Jenkins acknowledged that Marvel found success with it and that's good for them, but added, "But that certainly shouldn’t be the status quo. I think you should look at comic books. There’s this huge variety of comic books, and their look and tone and world are radically different."
Jenkins then went on to explain superhero movies don't always blend together, saying, "Sometimes they do, and that’s really fun, and that’s that thing. But a lot of times, they have their own run. I’m psyched that DC – and frankly, Marvel’s actually doing it a little bit more now, too, with some of the tone of Thor: Ragnarok, and Black Widow and Doctor Strange – they feel very different in tone."
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Post by ThatGuy on May 5, 2020 20:45:54 GMT
Even in the beginning the movies didn't feel the same. Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America: First Avenger feel nothing a like. Does she mean drastically different?
Also, how can she compare Birds of Prey and Joker when they aren't in the same world? It's like trying to say how different Superman Returns is to The Dark Knight. Of course they are different. A better example would be BvS and SHAZAM!, right?
The MCU is not really a "shared universe." It's a universe who's story is told from different POVs, but with a single person in charge. Wouldn't the DCEU be more of a shared universe with multiple people playing in it with nobody really directly overseeing it?
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 5, 2020 21:15:13 GMT
Even in the beginning the movies didn't feel the same. Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America: First Avenger feel nothing a like. Does she mean drastically different? Also, how can she compare Birds of Prey and Joker when they aren't in the same world? It's like trying to say how different Superman Returns is to The Dark Knight. Of course they are different. A better example would be BvS and SHAZAM!, right? The MCU is not really a "shared universe." It's a universe who's story is told from different POVs, but with a single person in charge. Wouldn't the DCEU be more of a shared universe with multiple people playing in it with nobody really directly overseeing it? TIH has always been the oddball of the MCU. It’s certainly part of the universe, but it’s always felt like the most isolated film in the franchise, both tonally, and in terms of how little it factors in with the later movies. The movie was such an ugly duckling in the franchise that I distinctly remember people being surprised when it was announced that William Hurt would be reprising his role as Ross in CW. Anyway, as far as DC movies are concerned, there’s currently no point in drawing a distinction between movies that are set in the “DCEU” and movies that aren’t. For all intents and purposes, the DCEU is dead, so there’s just DC films now.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 6, 2020 15:46:55 GMT
Even in the beginning the movies didn't feel the same. Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America: First Avenger feel nothing a like. Does she mean drastically different? Also, how can she compare Birds of Prey and Joker when they aren't in the same world? It's like trying to say how different Superman Returns is to The Dark Knight. Of course they are different. A better example would be BvS and SHAZAM!, right? The MCU is not really a "shared universe." It's a universe who's story is told from different POVs, but with a single person in charge. Wouldn't the DCEU be more of a shared universe with multiple people playing in it with nobody really directly overseeing it? TIH has always been the oddball of the MCU. It’s certainly part of the universe, but it’s always felt like the most isolated film in the franchise, both tonally, and in terms of how little it factors in with the later movies. The movie was such an ugly duckling in the franchise that I distinctly remember people being surprised when it was announced that William Hurt would be reprising his role as Ross in CW. Anyway, as far as DC movies are concerned, there’s currently no point in drawing a distinction between movies that are set in the “DCEU” and movies that aren’t. For all intents and purposes, the DCEU is dead, so there’s just DC films now. I think they are trying to distance themselves from it. It happened, but they aren't going to acknowledge it all happened. They don't even mention Betty. Like at all. Not even Thunderbolt ever mentions her.
But by continuing where they left off they are keeping the DCEU alive. It's like making Nightwing movies with Chris O'Donnell, Alicia Silverstone and Michael Gough and saying it's not related to the Burton Batman movies.
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Post by thenolan on May 7, 2020 10:53:01 GMT
Even in the beginning the movies didn't feel the same. Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America: First Avenger feel nothing a like. Does she mean drastically different? Also, how can she compare Birds of Prey and Joker when they aren't in the same world? It's like trying to say how different Superman Returns is to The Dark Knight. Of course they are different. A better example would be BvS and SHAZAM!, right? The MCU is not really a "shared universe." It's a universe who's story is told from different POVs, but with a single person in charge. Wouldn't the DCEU be more of a shared universe with multiple people playing in it with nobody really directly overseeing it? MCU movies feel the same, you cannot keep denying it. its pretty factual now. Jenkins had to exit Thor 2 because she did not want that. the marvel films that dont feel the same were the spiderman, xmen and blade films. each franchise represented their character's world well. the mcu is a shared universe, Disney rides on the formula, its time they realise that it is a nonsense forumla that has brought them so much dislike from directors of patty Jenkins status and comic book fans.
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Post by thenolan on May 7, 2020 10:54:27 GMT
Posting this before someone contorts it into oblivion to fit within their own factual theory.
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Jenkins, who previously directed 2017's Wonder Woman, praised DC's approach in a recent issue of Total Film magazine (via ComicBookMovie.com). She appreciates the way DC movies don't resemble those that came before; for example, Birds of Prey was nothing like Joker. When it comes to the shared universe format, Jenkins acknowledged that Marvel found success with it and that's good for them, but added, "But that certainly shouldn’t be the status quo. I think you should look at comic books. There’s this huge variety of comic books, and their look and tone and world are radically different."
Jenkins then went on to explain superhero movies don't always blend together, saying, "Sometimes they do, and that’s really fun, and that’s that thing. But a lot of times, they have their own run. I’m psyched that DC – and frankly, Marvel’s actually doing it a little bit more now, too, with some of the tone of Thor: Ragnarok, and Black Widow and Doctor Strange – they feel very different in tone."
I feel for Patty. I think she did the right thing. she stuck to her artistic belief and walked away. its been down hill for thor since thor 2. even the hard core mcu fans agree that the character has been ruined.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 7, 2020 18:48:03 GMT
TIH has always been the oddball of the MCU. It’s certainly part of the universe, but it’s always felt like the most isolated film in the franchise, both tonally, and in terms of how little it factors in with the later movies. The movie was such an ugly duckling in the franchise that I distinctly remember people being surprised when it was announced that William Hurt would be reprising his role as Ross in CW. Anyway, as far as DC movies are concerned, there’s currently no point in drawing a distinction between movies that are set in the “DCEU” and movies that aren’t. For all intents and purposes, the DCEU is dead, so there’s just DC films now. But by continuing where they left off they are keeping the DCEU alive. It's like making Nightwing movies with Chris O'Donnell, Alicia Silverstone and Michael Gough and saying it's not related to the Burton Batman movies. Are they really “continuing where they left off” though? Snyder’s plans have been completely abandoned, and Batman is being rebooted.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 7, 2020 22:44:10 GMT
But by continuing where they left off they are keeping the DCEU alive. It's like making Nightwing movies with Chris O'Donnell, Alicia Silverstone and Michael Gough and saying it's not related to the Burton Batman movies. Are they really “continuing where they left off” though? Snyder’s plans have been completely abandoned, and Batman is being rebooted. Just because Snyder's plans have been abandoned doesn't mean they aren't continuing where the characters left off. Using all the same actors for the characters means they are continuing on. Arthur is the same Aquaman. Diana is the same Wonder Woman. Harleen is the same Harley Quinn. It's still that world.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 7, 2020 23:12:22 GMT
Are they really “continuing where they left off” though? Snyder’s plans have been completely abandoned, and Batman is being rebooted. Just because Snyder's plans have been abandoned doesn't mean they aren't continuing where the characters left off. Using all the same actors for the characters means they are continuing on. Arthur is the same Aquaman. Diana is the same Wonder Woman. Harleen is the same Harley Quinn. It's still that world. They’ve kept many of the actors, but it seems unlikely that there will be any ongoing stories moving forward.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 8, 2020 19:27:50 GMT
Just because Snyder's plans have been abandoned doesn't mean they aren't continuing where the characters left off. Using all the same actors for the characters means they are continuing on. Arthur is the same Aquaman. Diana is the same Wonder Woman. Harleen is the same Harley Quinn. It's still that world. They’ve kept many of the actors, but it seems unlikely that there will be any ongoing stories moving forward. WW84 is following the story from WW which is between BvS and JL. Aquaman takes from JL and they are continuing from that movie for it's sequel. SHAZAM! had the Superman from the Snyder movies. Harley in Suicide Squad 2 is the same one from Suicide Squad. They are still planted in that world. Unless they are going to reset the world with Flashpoint then I can't see how they are going to be able to change.
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Post by blockbusted on May 8, 2020 20:54:23 GMT
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Jenkins, who previously directed 2017's Wonder Woman, praised DC's approach in a recent issue of Total Film magazine (via ComicBookMovie.com). She appreciates the way DC movies don't resemble those that came before; for example, Birds of Prey was nothing like Joker. When it comes to the shared universe format, Jenkins acknowledged that Marvel found success with it and that's good for them, but added, "But that certainly shouldn’t be the status quo. I think you should look at comic books. There’s this huge variety of comic books, and their look and tone and world are radically different."
Jenkins then went on to explain superhero movies don't always blend together, saying, "Sometimes they do, and that’s really fun, and that’s that thing. But a lot of times, they have their own run. I’m psyched that DC – and frankly, Marvel’s actually doing it a little bit more now, too, with some of the tone of Thor: Ragnarok, and Black Widow and Doctor Strange – they feel very different in tone."
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Post by thenolan on May 9, 2020 20:25:18 GMT
Patty was getting attacked by mcu fans on twitter. sigh, is this even real.
she is right. MCU movies were never even the status quo, they were shallow distractions that only people who were not so inlove with comics fell in love with.
look at the fans. notice mbatman, superman spiderman or xmen, wonder woman fans dont give a shit about connected comic book movies?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 23:42:20 GMT
Patty was getting attacked by mcu fans on twitter. sigh, is this even real. she is right. MCU movies were never even the status quo, they were shallow distractions that only people who were not so inlove with comics fell in love with. look at the fans. notice mbatman, superman spiderman or xmen, wonder woman fans dont give a shit about connected comic book movies? MCU films are what saved comic book movies. That's something you can't seem to understand. Also it looks like it didn't take long for you to contort this into oblivion. |
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Post by blockbusted on May 10, 2020 5:55:58 GMT
Patty was getting attacked by mcu fans on twitter. sigh, is this even real. she is right. MCU movies were never even the status quo, they were shallow distractions that only people who were not so inlove with comics fell in love with. look at the fans. notice mbatman, superman spiderman or xmen, wonder woman fans dont give a shit about connected comic book movies? MCU films are what saved comic book movies. That's something you can't seem to understand. Also it looks like it didn't take long for you to contort this into oblivion. Also, was she REALLY attacking MCU? I didn't think she was...
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Post by ThatGuy on May 10, 2020 19:31:52 GMT
Patty was getting attacked by mcu fans on twitter. sigh, is this even real. she is right. MCU movies were never even the status quo, they were shallow distractions that only people who were not so inlove with comics fell in love with. look at the fans. notice mbatman, superman spiderman or xmen, wonder woman fans dont give a shit about connected comic book movies? MCU films are what saved comic book movies. That's something you can't seem to understand. Also it looks like it didn't take long for you to contort this into oblivion. I don’t think he understands that people that are fans of something that can’t get what is popular and good will go against that thing. Spider-man fans love the MCU. They get to see their favorite comic character interact with other characters that he interacted with in the comics. When he list fans of a character he just means fans of a specific movie series. Those people aren’t Spider-man fans, but Raimi Spider-man fans. He’s saying Superman and Batman fans don’t want to see a connected universe, but a Justice League movie is a connected universe. A BvS is a connected universe. But I guess because BvS is a terrible movie that means it’s not something fans of those characters wanted. I collected the Batman/Superman comic. I read the novel Enemies & Allies. I loved the World’s Finest episodes from Superman: TAS. I even felt excitement when Bruce mentions Metropolis in Batman Forever. People want to see these character interact in an ongoing series. Fans want a proper DCEU.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 10, 2020 19:45:40 GMT
It’s too late for there to be a “proper DCEU.” That ship has sailed. WB is no longer interested in maintaining a cinematic universe, otherwise they wouldn’t be rebooting Batman.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 11, 2020 20:36:49 GMT
It’s too late for there to be a “proper DCEU.” That ship has sailed. WB is no longer interested in maintaining a cinematic universe, otherwise they wouldn’t be rebooting Batman. Because it's something they have to either put effort into or hire someone with as much passion as Feige to do it. You can tell studios that are trying to make a CU are trying to do it all at once or movie to movie with no one manning the wheel. Movie to movie, the continuity is all over the place. All at once, there is way too much lore, unneeded characters and foreshadowing.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 12, 2020 0:50:12 GMT
It’s too late for there to be a “proper DCEU.” That ship has sailed. WB is no longer interested in maintaining a cinematic universe, otherwise they wouldn’t be rebooting Batman. Because it's something they have to either put effort into or hire someone with as much passion as Feige to do it. You can tell studios that are trying to make a CU are trying to do it all at once or movie to movie with no one manning the wheel. Movie to movie, the continuity is all over the place. All at once, there is way too much lore, unneeded characters and foreshadowing. They did have someone with passion moving the wheel. Zack Snyder was supposed to be their Kevin Feige. If anything, the big thing that ultimately killed any chance of DC having their own successful cinematic universe was WB putting too much faith in a director who’s proven to be extremely polarizing at best.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 12, 2020 18:53:07 GMT
Because it's something they have to either put effort into or hire someone with as much passion as Feige to do it. You can tell studios that are trying to make a CU are trying to do it all at once or movie to movie with no one manning the wheel. Movie to movie, the continuity is all over the place. All at once, there is way too much lore, unneeded characters and foreshadowing. They did have someone with passion moving the wheel. Zack Snyder was supposed to be their Kevin Feige. If anything, the big thing that ultimately killed any chance of DC having their own successful cinematic universe was WB putting too much faith in a director who’s proven to be extremely polarizing at best. I really don't think Snyder is anywhere near a Feige. He's closer to a Michael Bay. He tries hard to show that he can copy an image from a comic. Snyder isn't polarizing, he's an edge lord. His DCEU is him trying way too hard to be edgy for no reason.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 12, 2020 18:59:00 GMT
They did have someone with passion moving the wheel. Zack Snyder was supposed to be their Kevin Feige. If anything, the big thing that ultimately killed any chance of DC having their own successful cinematic universe was WB putting too much faith in a director who’s proven to be extremely polarizing at best. I really don't think Snyder is anywhere near a Feige. He's closer to a Michael Bay. He tries hard to show that he can copy an image from a comic. Snyder isn't polarizing, he's an edge lord. His DCEU is him trying way too hard to be edgy for no reason. I didn’t say he was, but WB was expecting him to be their Kevin Feige. He was very much the architect of the universe initially. Out of all the problems that the Snyderverse suffered from, a lack of a plan wasn’t one of them.
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