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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 6, 2020 21:57:36 GMT
So what’s more important when it comes to HOF enshrinement, peak or longevity? So say he played longer. Yes his BA would most likely have gone down but the other numbers would have gone up. I look at it like this when someone asks me which band is better, Metallica or Megadeth. The first three Metallica albums are at the highest peak of metal. The 4th is a terribly produced but still good album. Everything after that sucks outside of a song here and there. Megadeth put out solid album after solid album their whole career, but outside of Rust in Peace none of them approached those first 3 Metallica records. So who is better? Do you value consistency or a shorter period of explosive talent? Depends on the player. Don Sutton has 324 career wins. Sandy Koufax has 165. We all know who the better pitcher was. As far as the peak argument, the peak years have to be really up there. Like Koufax. For 4-5 years, he was one of the best pitchers in history. You can never say that about Sutton. Does Sutton deserve to be in, sure. Is Belle's numbers HOF worthy, up to you. I wouldn't gnash my teeth if he got in. Belle put up good stats but not Koufaxian stats. He's also battling that era. His biggest argument is homers. And no one takes those HR numbers seriously from that era.
Both Metallica and Megadeth aren't my cup of tea. Beatles and Stones would have been a better argument
I think the Beatles vs Stones argument isn’t as apropos because the Stones aren’t a Don Sutton in this equation. Sure, the entire Beatles career is essentially peak, but the Stones were legitimately great, had a run of albums starting with Beggar’s Banquet better than any run by almost any other band. 50 some years later they put out that blues album of covers that blows the doors off of albums by artists half their age. I’ll acknowledge that the Beatles are more influential, but I’ll take the Stones. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 7, 2020 18:39:14 GMT
I came to like Vina during his stint in St. Louis. I bite my thumb at you, sir. Didn't Belle also throw a baseball at a reporter? I can see that. Vina is one of my most hated players of all time. Like David Eckstein, you love those pesky little shits when they're on your team because they're good at finding their way on base but when they're a part of the opposition, you want to see them catapulted right into a brick wall.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 7, 2020 18:54:37 GMT
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 7, 2020 19:33:39 GMT
Yeah but not taking first base like that is awesome.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 7, 2020 19:56:15 GMT
Yeah but not taking first base like that is awesome. Yeah, Joey, we will rewrite the rules of baseball just for you. You want another four of five strikes while we are at it?
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Post by millar70 on May 7, 2020 20:02:37 GMT
I actually like what Albert Belle was doing there, but oh my God, those uniforms. Why do sports leagues that are run by adults take fashion advice from 12 year old children? |
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Post by fjenkins on May 7, 2020 21:47:07 GMT
This is one of those weird ones. Belle played 12 seasons, 10 full seasons in the bigs so he qualifies for the Hall and that said, statistcally he should be in. His ten full years were Hall quality seasons, comparable to Hank Greenburg. But the corked bat and douchebaggery will keep him out. Didn’t Greenberg serve in the war? I think the writers excused that if that was the reason for missing seasons / lower stats. Statistically he still met the standards. he didn't have overall career stats like Ruth or Gehrig but he played at a high level for like 12 seasons. you have to do 10 to make the hall. I still say Kirby Puckett falls way short but they say he met the standard for 10 of his 12 years.
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Post by 尺ロㄈにモイ州凡几 on May 7, 2020 23:14:46 GMT
By the time I started watching baseball, he was with the Orioles, and I don’t really remember watching him play at all. But based on stuff I read or heard about him, dude was just fuckin awesome. He may have been a huge ass hole, but doing shit like refusing to go to first on a hit-by-pitch and destroying a thermostat in the team clubhouse is just funny imo.
And I think he should be in the hall of fame. Dude was one of the best players in the 90s, and should’ve won the MVP in 95.
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Post by SportsFan19 on May 8, 2020 0:49:46 GMT
I came to like Vina during his stint in St. Louis. I bite my thumb at you, sir. Didn't Belle also throw a baseball at a reporter? I can see that. Vina is one of my most hated players of all time. Like David Eckstein, you love those pesky little shits when they're on your team because they're good at finding their way on base but when they're a part of the opposition, you want to see them catapulted right into a brick wall. Yeah, both of them. Eckstein won a World Series with them, as their leadoff hitter, so that makes him more memorable. I was not the least bit excited by the idea of him replacing Edgar Renteria, but it turned out alright. Vina was a much better fielder, a Mark Lemke type (who I grew up watching on those Braves teams) with a little better bat. I've come to respect those types. Not every middle infielder can hit like Jeter, Vizquel or Alomar.
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Post by Rufus-T on May 10, 2020 4:19:26 GMT
Just looking at the first video on the Grand Salami, Armando Benitez is the champion of serving up big hits. I should post him in the Hall of Sucks thread.
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