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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 18, 2020 3:50:16 GMT
Then don't be shocked when you call something a parable that isn't and people who know better correct you on your wrongness. We'll have to agree to disagree. PARABLE - a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.I say the prostitute/stoning story is a parable. Jesus and the prostitute is a small section from John 8, which is telling a continuous narrative that, in itself, is a continuation from John 7 and so-on. One event occurs after the other. The bit with the prostitute is just one event that happens in the context of that longer narrative. That is very different than something like Matthew 13:31-32: "He told them another parable: 'The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.'" If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you other than you'd do poorly in a literature course.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 3:56:04 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree. PARABLE - a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.I say the prostitute/stoning story is a parable. Jesus and the prostitute is a small section from John 8, which is telling a continuous narrative that, in itself, is a continuation from John 7 and so-on. One event occurs after the other. The bit with the prostitute is just one event that happens in the context of that longer narrative. That is very different than something like Matthew 13:31-32: "He told them another parable: 'The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.'" If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you other than you'd do poorly in a literature course. This is not the Literature board. This is the Religion, Faith and Spirituality board. It appears you're on the wrong board. By the way, is English your first language? |
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 3:57:10 GMT
It's not a parable you moron. I swear you have to be the stupidest fuck on this board. Aww poor baby . . . You're just mad because I'm right and you're wrong. Maybe you need a bottle and a nap. Witness: This poster saying to two different posters who bested him in a logical argument. 1. Goz you have been drinking ( I am in Australia and it was 8.30 in the morning) 2. Maybe you need a bottle and a nap. Who fucking does that?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 18, 2020 4:08:07 GMT
Jesus and the prostitute is a small section from John 8, which is telling a continuous narrative that, in itself, is a continuation from John 7 and so-on. One event occurs after the other. The bit with the prostitute is just one event that happens in the context of that longer narrative. That is very different than something like Matthew 13:31-32: "He told them another parable: 'The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.'" If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you other than you'd do poorly in a literature course. This is not the Literature board. This is the Religion, Faith and Spirituality board. It appears you're on the wrong board. By the way, is English your first language? And we're discussing literature (The Bible) on the RFAS board, so knowing something about literature is relevant to what genre it is. Yes, English is my first language. Is it yours?
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 4:13:10 GMT
This is not the Literature board. This is the Religion, Faith and Spirituality board. It appears you're on the wrong board. By the way, is English your first language? And we're discussing literature (The Bible) on the RFAS board, so knowing something about literature is relevant to what genre it is. Yes, English is my first language. Is it yours? Well, instead of studying literature and philosophy --- I suggest you study communication. I'm sure your very intelligent and knowledgeable, but you're terrible at getting your point across directly, clearly and succinctly. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 18, 2020 4:17:54 GMT
And we're discussing literature (The Bible) on the RFAS board, so knowing something about literature is relevant to what genre it is. Yes, English is my first language. Is it yours? Well, instead of studying literature and philosophy --- I suggest you study communication. I'm sure your very intelligent and knowledgeable, but you're terrible at getting your point across directly, clearly and succinctly. I've had people tell me the exact opposite, but they tend to be the more intelligent types, so I'm inferring the problem is you and not me. How about this: if you don't understand something I write, you can say so, ask me about it, and allow me to clarify. Hopefully that 3-step process involving a conditional isn't 2 steps too many for you to remember.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 18, 2020 4:57:44 GMT
Yes, you will gauge your own happiness, you appear to throw the term around too loosely though, as something to attain from a belief that only mean something to you. The rest is all just pious religious conditioning, which is stuff and nonsense. I agree with your first statement. But not your second. The rest is my belief. If you think it's just "pious religious conditioning and nonsense" --- that's just your opinion. You have no proof. And everyone doesn't agree with you. It is your belief that you have been endorsing on here, without procuring any proof\evidence with logic and reason to back it up.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 5:05:01 GMT
I agree with your first statement. But not your second. The rest is my belief. If you think it's just "pious religious conditioning and nonsense" --- that's just your opinion. You have no proof. And everyone doesn't agree with you. It is your belief that you have been endorsing on [here], without procuring any proof\evidence with logic and reason to back it up. I have said repeatedly there is no proof. I guess you missed that. The logic is I've tried believing, Atheism and being an agnostic. Believing worked best for me. So I chose that. That's logical and reasonable to me. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 18, 2020 5:18:25 GMT
It is your belief that you have been endorsing on [here], without procuring any proof\evidence with logic and reason to back it up. I have said repeatedly there is no proof. I guess you missed that. The logic is I've tried believing, Atheism and being an agnostic. Believing worked best for me. So I chose that. That's logical and reasonable to me. If there is no solid foundation for the belief, then what you believe and choose to express in the manner that you do, is only attracting the responses you are getting, because you aren't backing it up with any proof, logic or reason. If there is NO proof, you can only hold yourself accountable to which you hold so dear to you. Not to tell others they are guilty and ignorant because they don't place the same value on an intangible and abstract belief that only you feel is relevant.
You can't gauge anyone else's lack of what you see as "understanding" behind your belief, anymore than others can gauge the happiness you claim to attain from the belief. To be honest though, I really don't get a sense of happiness from you over this God belief.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 5:40:13 GMT
I have said repeatedly there is no proof. I guess you missed that. The logic is I've tried believing, Atheism and being an agnostic. Believing worked best for me. So I chose that. That's logical and reasonable to me. If there is no solid foundation for the belief, then what you believe and choose to express in the manner that you do, is only attracting the responses you are getting, because you aren't backing it up with any proof, logic or reason. If there is NO proof, you can only hold yourself accountable to which you hold so dear to you. Not to tell others they are guilty and ignorant because they don't place the same value on an intangible and abstract belief that only you feel is relevant.
You can't gauge anyone else's lack of what you see as "understanding" behind your belief, anymore than others can gauge the happiness you claim to attain from the belief. To be honest though, I really don't get a sense of happiness from you over this God belief. I never said those who don't believe are guilty and ignorant. I said those who attack me for believing are ignorant and/or feeling guilty. |
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 5:41:36 GMT
If there is no solid foundation for the belief, then what you believe and choose to express in the manner that you do, is only attracting the responses you are getting, because you aren't backing it up with any proof, logic or reason. If there is NO proof, you can only hold yourself accountable to which you hold so dear to you. Not to tell others they are guilty and ignorant because they don't place the same value on an intangible and abstract belief that only you feel is relevant.
You can't gauge anyone else's lack of what you see as "understanding" behind your belief, anymore than others can gauge the happiness you claim to attain from the belief. To be honest though, I really don't get a sense of happiness from you over this God belief. I never said those who don't believe are guilty and ignorant. I said those who attack me for believing are ignorant and/or feeling guilty. No. You didn't.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 18, 2020 5:50:45 GMT
If there is no solid foundation for the belief, then what you believe and choose to express in the manner that you do, is only attracting the responses you are getting, because you aren't backing it up with any proof, logic or reason. If there is NO proof, you can only hold yourself accountable to which you hold so dear to you. Not to tell others they are guilty and ignorant because they don't place the same value on an intangible and abstract belief that only you feel is relevant.
You can't gauge anyone else's lack of what you see as "understanding" behind your belief, anymore than others can gauge the happiness you claim to attain from the belief. To be honest though, I really don't get a sense of happiness from you over this God belief. I never said those who don't believe are guilty and ignorant. I said those who attack me for believing are ignorant and/or feeling guilty.So you want to express what you believe and then when a comment is not in agreeance, or challenged, they are automatically labelled ignorant\guilty, because they don't understand the rationale behind the belief. It is not up to the non-believer to have understanding of something that doesn't make sense, but for the believer to convey and give clarity so there is some understanding, if that is reasonably possible.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 6:07:14 GMT
I never said those who don't believe are guilty and ignorant. I said those who attack me for believing are ignorant and/or feeling guilty.So you want to express what you believe and then when a comment is not in agreeance, or challenged, they are automatically labelled ignorant\guilty, because they don't understand the rationale behind the belief. It is not up to the non-believer to have understanding of something that doesn't make sense, but for the believer to convey and give clarity so there is some understanding, if that is reasonably possible. No. I never said that either. What I said was when I'm attacked for my beliefs. Not when anybody doesn't agree with me. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 18, 2020 9:09:14 GMT
So you want to express what you believe and then when a comment is not in agreeance, or challenged, they are automatically labelled ignorant\guilty, because they don't understand the rationale behind the belief. It is not up to the non-believer to have understanding of something that doesn't make sense, but for the believer to convey and give clarity so there is some understanding, if that is reasonably possible. No. I never said that either. What I said was when I'm attacked for my beliefs. Not when anybody doesn't agree with me. What is the difference?
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 13:59:05 GMT
No. I never said that either. What I said was when I'm attacked for my beliefs. Not when anybody doesn't agree with me. What is the difference? Intellegent guilt free people disagree and/or don't understand my beliefs or religion. But generally speaking, most or all of the people who attack me for my religious beliefs and/or religion feel guilty about not having any religion themselves. Or they're just ignorant. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 18, 2020 14:30:34 GMT
Intellegent guilt free people disagree and/or don't understand my beliefs or religion. But generally speaking, most or all of the people who attack me for my religious beliefs and/or religion feel guilty about not having any religion themselves. Or they're just ignorant. Same old vapid and circular rhetoric. Where does the guilt and ignorance stem from regarding your own personal religious beliefs?
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 14:44:22 GMT
Intellegent guilt free people disagree and/or don't understand my beliefs or religion. But generally speaking, most or all of the people who attack me for my religious beliefs and/or religion feel guilty about not having any religion themselves. Or they're just ignorant. Same old vapid and circular rhetoric. Where does the guilt and ignorance stem from regarding your own personal religious beliefs? Why are you so defensive? Are you one that would attack me for my religious beliefs? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 18, 2020 14:52:11 GMT
Same old vapid and circular rhetoric. Where does the guilt and ignorance stem from regarding your own personal religious beliefs? Why are you so defensive? Are you one that would attack me for my religious beliefs? In other words, you don’t know. Thought as much.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 16:02:14 GMT
I never said those who don't believe are guilty and ignorant. I said those who attack me for believing are ignorant and/or feeling guilty. No. You didn't. Obviously you think you, and your gang of non believers think y'all have cleaned my clock in this discussion/debate. That just proves my point. Only your ignorance would allow you to think that. What's really happened is, I've had a simple to understand position clearly stated throughout this thread. And you guys have floundered around hysterically trying to defeat me, and prove that I and my position are ridiculous. Well, not only have you guys failed miserably. You're not even smart enough to see it. |
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Post by thefleetsin on May 18, 2020 16:11:03 GMT
click-bait 101
triggering
conservative christians into believing
theirs is a holy war
never before
sanctioned by a god
to this
date in history
requires no more wizardry
than waltzing down from a mountain did
sporting two granite lids
proclaiming
everyone is now magically
our gods kids.
sjw 05/18/2020 inspired at this very moment in time by which crime to attach to which particular deity.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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