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Post by clusium on May 11, 2020 15:03:55 GMT
I told you the evidence. Archeology, historical records, miracles, etc. So you don't have the evidence you proclaimed to have. I just showed you.
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Post by clusium on May 11, 2020 15:05:02 GMT
God or gods, have been passed down for thousands of generations. Many have even heard the Voice Of God or other such divinities, spirits, etc. Sure, you can go ahead & say that these people are mentally ill, etc., but, in many of those cases, multiple witnesses have seen or heard the same thing, which help create or support the religion. It doesn’t support a religion. There are people deemed mentally ill that hear voices and not be religious. How does that spin? The voices are in their heads ALONE & nobody else's. There have been visions seen by multiple people.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 11, 2020 15:12:10 GMT
It doesn’t support a religion. There are people deemed mentally ill that hear voices and not be religious. How does that spin? The voices are in their heads ALONE & nobody else's. There have been visions seen by multiple people. None of whom, naturally, had a camera.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 11, 2020 15:12:21 GMT
It doesn’t support a religion. There are people deemed mentally ill that hear voices and not be religious. How does that spin? The voices are in their heads ALONE & nobody else's. There have been visions seen by multiple people. So if they are in their heads alone and nobody else’s, how is that evidence of gods? Visions are only experienced by the witnessed. A vision is not tangible, ergo, no evidence here either. I don’t discredit phenomena, but this is not evidence of an ideal like religion. Religion is a man made up belief.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 11, 2020 15:13:02 GMT
The voices are in their heads ALONE & nobody else's. There have been visions seen by multiple people. None of whom, naturally, had a camera. And when they do, they are always fuzzy and blurry.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 15:14:18 GMT
So you don't have the evidence you proclaimed to have. I just showed you. That is not evidence, on any level. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 11, 2020 15:15:44 GMT
None of whom, naturally, had a camera. And when they do, they are always fuzzy and blurry. And just as naturally visions of Christian subjects are always of the very traditional type, seen by believers only from Christian countries.
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Post by clusium on May 11, 2020 15:15:56 GMT
The voices are in their heads ALONE & nobody else's. There have been visions seen by multiple people. how is that evidence of gods? Visions are only experienced by the witnessed. A vision is not tangible, erg, no evidence here either. I don’t discredit phenomena, but this is not evidence of an ideal like religion. Religion is a man made up belief. I was referring to those that you said were "mentally ill that hear voices and not be religious." I also pointed out that there are other people who see or hear exactly the same things, which points to something going on.
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Post by clusium on May 11, 2020 15:16:25 GMT
That is not evidence, on any level. Yes it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 15:16:50 GMT
That is not evidence, on any level. Yes it is. How? You aren't doing your cause any favours by pretending non-evidence is evidence. Just making me realise you have no critical thinking skills. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 11, 2020 15:17:42 GMT
And when they do, they are always fuzzy and blurry. And just as naturally visions of Christian subjects are always of the very traditional type, seen by believers only from Christian countries. They only need prove it to themselves for it to be real, and undermine themselves in the process when expecting others to share in their delusion.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 11, 2020 15:18:22 GMT
So if they are in their heads alone and nobody else’s, how is that evidence of gods? Visions are only experienced by the witnessed. A vision is not tangible, erg, no evidence here either. I don’t discredit phenomena, but this is not evidence of an ideal like religion. Religion is a man made up belief. I was referring to those that you said were "mentally ill that hear voices and not be religious." I also pointed out that there are other people who see or hear exactly the same things, which points to something going on. Folie à deux, shared psychosis, or shared delusional disorder is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief and sometimes hallucinations are transmitted from one individual to another. Rather more common is the spreading of hysteria among crowds, together with associated symptoms and convictions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness This is not to attribute religious visions very certainly to this; but at least we know these aberrations of the mind exist.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 11, 2020 15:23:46 GMT
I was referring to those that you said were "mentally ill that hear voices and not be religious." I also pointed out that there are other people who see or hear exactly the same things, which points to something going on. Folie à deux, shared psychosis, or shared delusional disorder is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief and sometimes hallucinations are transmitted from one individual to another. Rather more common is the spreading of hysteria among crowds, together with associated symptoms and convictions. I watched The Crucible the other day. Excellent film and gets rights to the core of preposterous hysteria and hypocrisies surrounding god, the devil and religion.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 11, 2020 15:27:39 GMT
How? You aren't doing your cause any favours by pretending non-evidence is evidence. Just making me realise you have no critical thinking skills. It would mean having to let go of a belief system and acknowledge it doesn’t work. Logic, reason and rationale doesn’t quite fit into the belief. These things can cause culture shock.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 11, 2020 15:34:02 GMT
So if they are in their heads alone and nobody else’s, how is that evidence of gods? Visions are only experienced by the witnessed. A vision is not tangible, erg, no evidence here either. I don’t discredit phenomena, but this is not evidence of an ideal like religion. Religion is a man made up belief. I was referring to those that you said were "mentally ill that hear voices and not be religious." I also pointed out that there are other people who see or hear exactly the same things, which points to something going on. There is no difference. Voices\Visions from ANYONE who claims them, is not evidence of religion, even if the possessed claims to be religious. If something is going on, it could be a psychological phenomena, but using religion to hang ones hat on it as proof is absurd.
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Post by clusium on May 11, 2020 15:37:59 GMT
How? You aren't doing your cause any favours by pretending non-evidence is evidence. Just making me realise you have no critical thinking skills. How is what I just showed you non-evidence?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 15:40:50 GMT
How? You aren't doing your cause any favours by pretending non-evidence is evidence. Just making me realise you have no critical thinking skills. How is what I just showed you non-evidence? It's just an old video of people saying stuff. That doesn't even reach the bottom rung of the ladder of inference... It is non-evidence, by any standard. |
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Post by clusium on May 11, 2020 15:45:33 GMT
How is what I just showed you non-evidence? It's an old video of people saying stuff. That doesn't even reach the bottom rung of the ladder of inference... It is non-evidence, by any standard. The point is to show why people believe their own religions. A Hindu could come to this forum to show evidence for his/her own religious views, & why they choose to remain a Hind & pass the faith down to their children. BTW, could you please share a link stating that the Vatican has said that all reported cases of Stigmata are false? I googled what you had posted & couldn't find it.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 15:47:36 GMT
It's an old video of people saying stuff. That doesn't even reach the bottom rung of the ladder of inference... It is non-evidence, by any standard. The point is to show why people believe their own religions. That isn't evidence, at all 🧐 |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 16:36:55 GMT
It's an old video of people saying stuff. That doesn't even reach the bottom rung of the ladder of inference... It is non-evidence, by any standard. A Hindu could come to this forum to show evidence for his/her own religious views. I look forward to a Hindu providing evidence for their religion. I am happy to look at evidence for any and every religion... except there just isn't any. |
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