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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 8, 2020 18:44:07 GMT
So do you think its wrong to joke about religion and mock religion?
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Post by Aj_June on May 8, 2020 18:52:26 GMT
So do you think its wrong to joke about religion and mock religion? Depends on the context. If I see a religious supremacist then I definitely criticise his or her views and may even criticise many aspects of religion of the person in question. If a religious person is just sharing his opinion without trying to come off as supremacist or more righteous or anti-science then I usually do not mind such a person. I may even praise certain aspects of religions when they either make a person better or talk sense.
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Post by clusium on May 8, 2020 19:47:35 GMT
So do you think its wrong to joke about religion and mock religion? Depends on the context. If I see a religious supremacist then I definitely criticise his or her views and may even criticise many aspects of religion of the person in question. If a religious person is just sharing his opinion without trying to come off as supremacist or more righteous or anti-science then I usually do not mind such a person. I may even praise certain aspects of religions when they either make a person better or talk sense. I think Aj_June summed it up perfectly. Unless the people are being fundamentalist about their own religious views & bigoted towards others, disrespecting other people's religious beliefs only makes one as bad as the afore-mentioned fundamentalists' bigotry.
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Post by thefleetsin on May 8, 2020 19:55:37 GMT
So do you think its wrong to joke about religion and mock religion? Depends on the context. If I see a religious supremacist then I definitely criticise his or her views and may even criticise many aspects of religion of the person in question. If a religious person is just sharing his opinion without trying to come off as supremacist or more righteous or anti-science then I usually do not mind such a person. I may even praise certain aspects of religions when they either make a person better or talk sense. yet you fail to see the whole picture of religion(s) as one giant supremacist scam against humanity at large.
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Post by Aj_June on May 8, 2020 20:05:40 GMT
Depends on the context. If I see a religious supremacist then I definitely criticise his or her views and may even criticise many aspects of religion of the person in question. If a religious person is just sharing his opinion without trying to come off as supremacist or more righteous or anti-science then I usually do not mind such a person. I may even praise certain aspects of religions when they either make a person better or talk sense. yet you fail to see the whole picture of religion(s) as one giant supremacist scam against humanity at large. You can count in everything in the world then as a scam.
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Post by thefleetsin on May 8, 2020 20:50:42 GMT
yet you fail to see the whole picture of religion(s) as one giant supremacist scam against humanity at large. You can count in everything in the world then as a scam. no. the subject is specifically religion(s). the marketability of offering an afterlife is so encased in gold that, through out history, thousands of conjured up schemes to pray and pry upon any one feeling they might be missing out on something. seeking truth is never a scam. shining light upon darkness is never a scam. the value of the heart human standing all on its own is never a scam.
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Post by Aj_June on May 8, 2020 20:58:02 GMT
You can count in everything in the world then as a scam. no. the subject is specifically religion(s). the marketability of offering an afterlife is so encased in gold that, through out history, thousands of conjured up schemes to pray and pry upon any one feeling they might be missing out on something. seeking truth is never a scam. shining light upon darkness is never a scam. the value of the heart human standing all on its own is never a scam. Someone seeking truth and arriving at a different conclusion than you did did not commit any scam.
Someone finding light and finding something one believes to be light is not a scam.
Every thing is based on marketability. I believe most lawyers are scoundrels and the law industry is full of immoral people. That won't stop me from using that industry. I believe politicians are scoundrels and corrupt people who fool common folks and even the best of the people. Can't go on asking for anarchy.
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Post by shadrack on May 8, 2020 21:06:07 GMT
Depends on the context. If I see a religious supremacist then I definitely criticise his or her views and may even criticise many aspects of religion of the person in question. If a religious person is just sharing his opinion without trying to come off as supremacist or more righteous or anti-science then I usually do not mind such a person. I may even praise certain aspects of religions when they either make a person better or talk sense. I think Aj_June summed it up perfectly. Unless the people are being fundamentalist about their own religious views & bigoted towards others, disrespecting other people's religious beliefs only makes one as bad as the afore-mentioned fundamentalists' bigotry. I disagree. If somebody holds a belief not supported by the evidence, that belief deserves to be challenged. Religious beliefs don't get a free pass just because they're religious beliefs.
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Post by thefleetsin on May 8, 2020 21:06:52 GMT
no. the subject is specifically religion(s). the marketability of offering an afterlife is so encased in gold that, through out history, thousands of conjured up schemes to pray and pry upon any one feeling they might be missing out on something. seeking truth is never a scam. shining light upon darkness is never a scam. the value of the heart human standing all on its own is never a scam. Someone seeking truth and arriving at a different conclusion than you did did not commit any scam.
Someone finding light and finding something one believes to be light is not a scam.
Every thing is based on marketability. I believe most lawyers are scoundrels and the law industry is full of immoral people. That won't stop me from using that industry. I believe politicians are scoundrels and corrupt people who fool common folks and even the best of the people. Can't go on asking for anarchy.
someone overtly influenced from birth by the smoke rising from cauldrons of voodoo is lost already. and only desperately dying to confirm the stories he's been fed. light has the remarkable capability of burning away the fables and fantasies of old.
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Post by thefleetsin on May 8, 2020 21:34:04 GMT
when your necromancer is a ner-do-well negotiating nonsensical nanny-isms
if
one hand
is holding an ak forty seven
and the other
a bible
how are you managing
to masticate
your supreme one in heaven
without the gun
going off
before he administers justice
all over your wanting face.
either you
redefine amazing grace
or offer to replace
every single piece of statuary
you originally displaced
with your version of
dance this mess all over the place.
sjw 05/08/2020 inspired at this very moment in time by let's try it this way and see if it flies.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by clusium on May 8, 2020 22:17:47 GMT
I think Aj_June summed it up perfectly. Unless the people are being fundamentalist about their own religious views & bigoted towards others, disrespecting other people's religious beliefs only makes one as bad as the afore-mentioned fundamentalists' bigotry. I disagree. If somebody holds a belief not supported by the evidence, that belief deserves to be challenged. Religious beliefs don't get a free pass just because they're religious beliefs.
Challenging beliefs okay. Ridiculing & attacking what is near & dear to other people's hearts is another. Not just in the case of religions, but, in other forms of cultures. Eg: Nationality, etc.
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Post by mystery on May 8, 2020 23:11:04 GMT
Personally, I think it's very petty to mock someone else's faith. I'm extremely tolerant of other beliefs and opinions, and I basically live and let live. Religion is largely an expression of culture, and I find both very interesting. I travel a lot, and I love talking to people about their beliefs, anyone from Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists, Taoists, Animists, Amazonian Shamans, etc, etc. They all find meaning and strength in their beliefs, and I don't judge them for that.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 8, 2020 23:19:34 GMT
So do you think its wrong to joke about religion and mock religion? Hate speech is normally illegal and something purely provocative is egregious. But free speech ought to be what it says on the tin.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 8, 2020 23:47:13 GMT
I think Aj_June summed it up perfectly. Unless the people are being fundamentalist about their own religious views & bigoted towards others, disrespecting other people's religious beliefs only makes one as bad as the afore-mentioned fundamentalists' bigotry. I disagree. If somebody holds a belief not supported by the evidence, that belief deserves to be challenged. Religious beliefs don't get a free pass just because they're religious beliefs. First of all most people, especially including atheists, make decisions with inadequate evidence all over the place. It really isn't practical to put every decision to a thorough investigation. There are usually several unknown quantities and no time or means to get them all. Life itself includes a vast unknown and speculation about it is normal. Secondly the "atheist" definition of "evidence" is often incorrect. They really are not the unbiased "scientists" they imagine themselves to be. The attitude they know more about "evidence" than others is b___s___ that is really annoying and shows how little they really know about science. Just saying because you deserve to be challenged too.
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Post by Rodney Farber on May 9, 2020 1:10:15 GMT
One can believe whatever they want but when they start stating those beliefs are facts, I interject whatever I feel is appropriate.
I once told a Jehovah Witness co-worker that I would not tell her how stupid her beliefs were if she would stop telling me how stupid my beliefs were. When she said, "I never said your beliefs were stupid", I countered with, "You obviously think my beliefs are stupid because you're proselytizing." We worked together without any religious comments for the next 18 months.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 9, 2020 3:48:15 GMT
It doesn’t impact me.
As long as ones who mock can take what the dish it’s all good.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on May 9, 2020 4:27:20 GMT
It's the fundamentalist religionists who think they own God who deserve to be mocked.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on May 9, 2020 4:38:50 GMT
I disagree. If somebody holds a belief not supported by the evidence, that belief deserves to be challenged. Religious beliefs don't get a free pass just because they're religious beliefs. First of all most people, especially including atheists, make decisions with inadequate evidence all over the place. It really isn't practical to put every decision to a thorough investigation. There are usually several unknown quantities and no time or means to get them all. Life itself includes a vast unknown and speculation about it is normal. Secondly the "atheist" definition of "evidence" is often incorrect. They really are not the unbiased "scientists" they imagine themselves to be. The attitude they know more about "evidence" than others is b___s___ that is really annoying and shows how little they really know about science. Just saying because you deserve to be challenged too. The topic is about being irreverent toward religion and if it is okay to mock. First off, God can take it, after all, he didn't create religion. Some jokes at the bishop's expense is not an evil thing, yet there was a time when such humor would land a person in jail or worse. Any person who thinks we should resurrect blasphemy laws should be mocked vigorously, especially in the secular West. And Christianity makes a mockery of Judaism just as Judaism mocks Christianity...because they both can't be true and noble if you think that only one of them is the True Faith. Same with any religion vs another.
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Post by buckyv2 on May 9, 2020 13:00:18 GMT
Religion is a human creation. It depends on how people do it.
I think to insult it so it hurts people's feelings or to bully others is wrong. Some people use religion to bully others - the ones who say convert to my religion (or stop being a sinner) or you will burn in hell.
Some film such as Pass the Ammo or Glory Glory can be clever satires on religious institutions without being hurtful. Some films such as Hail Satan highlight some who use religion as a form of protest.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 9, 2020 13:48:37 GMT
Any ideaology should be open for mockery, even the so called "idealogy" of atheism
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