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Post by general313 on May 18, 2020 17:00:14 GMT
Baloney. The Bible says God created everything in 6 days --- including man. No mention of dinosaurs. But archeologists keep finding dinosaur bones. No, the Bible is a collection of parables losely based on human history around the Mediterranean Sea. No mention of India, China, Japan or the Western Hemisphere. It wasn't written by God. It wasn't even written by humanity. It was written by men who lived around the Mediterranean with little to no knowledge of the rest of the world, solar system, galaxy or cosmos. Whoah, you've jumped from talking about The Gospels to the entire Bible. Genesis, if taken fictionally, would be an allegory or creation myth, not a parable. Genesis is far more complex than any parable, which is why it's been read in a variety of ways, with different aspects symbolizing different things to whomever was doing the interpreting. It's far more "open" than an actual parable like The Prodigal Son or The Ten Virgins. I think you need to read up a bit more on what a parable is. I wish I could find the post way back where I explained the difference between different modes of symbolic storytelling. Frequently, parables are little more than extended similes or metaphors, while in allegories the simile/metaphor aspect is not directly stated but is merely implied. That's also probably why many people DO take Genesis (or even Revelation) literally, because they don't explicitly state their symbolic nature. However, it's a trivial point that, even if you take all of The Bible as being symbolic storytelling (it's not; much of it also functioned as Jewish law) it wouldn't all be parables. This one? When Jesus said to eat of his flesh and drink of his blood.. It's a classic!
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 20:42:14 GMT
Intellegent guilt free people disagree and/or don't understand my beliefs or religion. But generally speaking, most or all of the people who attack me for my religious beliefs and/or religion feel guilty about not having any religion themselves. Or they're just ignorant. See? I knew you could do it! You took my advice from page 11 of this thread and changed your opinion from a total writing off of people about religion , to your own personal religion. Well done you. You are still talking nonsense butt at least you are now only talking about your own beliefs and not those of the religious in general.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 20:45:21 GMT
Intellegent guilt free people disagree and/or don't understand my beliefs or religion. But generally speaking, most or all of the people who attack me for my religious beliefs and/or religion feel guilty about not having any religion themselves. Or they're just ignorant. See? I knew you could do it! You took my advice from page 11 of this thread and changed your opinion from a total writing off of people about religion , to your own personal religion. Well done you. You are still talking nonsense butt at least you are now only talking about your own beliefs and not those of the religious in general. No goz. General statements shouldn't have to be qualified. Reasonably intelligent people should know the difference between a general statement and an absolute statement. |
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 20:45:34 GMT
Obviously you think you, and your gang of non believers think y'all have cleaned my clock in this discussion/debate. That just proves my point. Only your ignorance would allow you to think that. What's really happened is, I've had a simple to understand position clearly stated throughout this thread. And you guys have floundered around hysterically trying to defeat me, and prove that I and my position are ridiculous. Well, not only have you guys failed miserably. You're not even smart enough to see it. LOL. Great to see you took my advice abut changing your stance from religion in general to your own personal beliefs. I must have done something right! LOL
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 20:49:55 GMT
See? I knew you could do it! You took my advice from page 11 of this thread and changed your opinion from a total writing off of people about religion , to your own personal religion. Well done you. You are still talking nonsense butt at least you are now only talking about your own beliefs and not those of the religious in general. No goz. General statements shouldn't have to be qualified. Reasonably intelligent people should know the difference between a general statement and an absolute statement. …...and a personal statement/opinion.Yours should all along have been a personal statement as it is impossible for you to have spoken for religion in general. It was nonsense, as was proven by the discussion following. That you can't see it ( LOL you did see it because you changed you stance to your personal religion) is a bit pitiful. Edit: That you won't let it rest is even more pitiful.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 20:56:22 GMT
No goz. General statements shouldn't have to be qualified. Reasonably intelligent people should know the difference between a general statement and an absolute statement. …...and a personal statement/opinion.Yours should all along have been a personal statement as it is impossible for you to have spoken for religion in general. It was nonsense, as was proven by the discussion following. That you can't see it ( LOL you did see it because you changed you stance to your personal religion) is a bit pitiful. Edit: That you won't let it rest is even more pitiful. When did I ever say I wasn't speaking for myself personally? I never said I belonged to any group. Or I was speaking for or representing any group. Among other common mistakes, you guys assumed incorrectly. That was y'all's mistake. |
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 21:18:05 GMT
…...and a personal statement/opinion.Yours should all along have been a personal statement as it is impossible for you to have spoken for religion in general. It was nonsense, as was proven by the discussion following. That you can't see it ( LOL you did see it because you changed you stance to your personal religion) is a bit pitiful. Edit: That you won't let it rest is even more pitiful. I never said I belonged to any group. Or I was speaking or representing any group. Among other common mistakes, you guys assumed incorrectly. That was y'all's mistake. Not the point. You claimed that You claimed that people criticizing your beliefs didn't understand religion {a gross generalisation which was strong refuted by all)
NOT just your personal religion which would have been a reasonably fair statement. ( though somewhat arrogant)
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 21:26:22 GMT
goz said; That's a general statement. You should know that goz.
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 21:29:47 GMT
goz said; That's a general statement. You should know that goz. That's what I said. Dig deeper!
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 21:32:42 GMT
goz said; That's a general statement. You should know that goz. That's what I said. Dig deeper! So you admit you mistook a general statement for an absolute statement? |
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 21:42:15 GMT
That's what I said. Dig deeper! So you admit you mistook a general statement for an absolute statement? WTF? Why don't you make up your own terms, you idiot! Go away and think you won something for once in your life you loser! I am done here.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 18, 2020 21:48:23 GMT
That's what I said. Dig deeper! So you admit you mistook a general statement for an absolute statement? "In my experience, the people who criticize me believing, don't understand religion. Instead of just asking questions with an open mind, they assume, presume, accuse and make asses of themselves." This is an absolute statement. If something is absolute, it is 100% one way or another; it is not relative or comparative. It doesn't leave room for variation - just as here. Glad to help.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 22:10:27 GMT
So you admit you mistook a general statement for an absolute statement? WTF? Why don't you make up your own terms, you idiot! Go away and think you won something for once in your life you loser! I am done here. Ha ha ha . . . |
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Post by goz on May 18, 2020 22:13:10 GMT
So you admit you mistook a general statement for an absolute statement? "In my experience, the people who criticize me believing, don't understand religion. Instead of just asking questions with an open mind, they assume, presume, accuse and make asses of themselves." This is an absolute statement. If something is absolute, it is 100% one way or another; it is not relative or comparative. It doesn't leave room for variation - just as here. Glad to help. .. and yet it had a generality to it, in contrast to being a personal statement. As in all people and all religions, not just a personal viewpoint. You always help. Context is also important.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 22:13:46 GMT
So you admit you mistook a general statement for an absolute statement? "In my experience, the people who criticize me believing, don't understand religion. Instead of just asking questions with an open mind, they assume, presume, accuse and make asses of themselves." This is an absolute statement. If something is absolute, it is 100% one way or another; it is not relative or comparative. It doesn't leave room for variation - just as here. Glad to help. No, it's not. In other words, "most" people who criticize . . . As opposed to, "Every single person, 100 percent, without exception who critizice . . . |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 18, 2020 22:18:10 GMT
"In my experience, the people who criticize me believing, don't understand religion. Instead of just asking questions with an open mind, they assume, presume, accuse and make asses of themselves." This is an absolute statement. If something is absolute, it is 100% one way or another; it is not relative or comparative. It doesn't leave room for variation - just as here. Glad to help. No, it's not. In other words, "most" people who criticize . . . As opposed to, "Every single person, 100 percent, without exception who critizices . . . " The people" are not "most people" criticising you, neither are there any exceptions to your terms of condemnation of those asking.. Ha ha ha indeed.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 22:19:57 GMT
No, it's not. In other words, "most" people who criticize . . . As opposed to, "Every single person, 100 percent, without exception who critizices . . . " The people" are not "most people" criticising you, neither are there any exceptions to your terms of condemnation of those asking.. Ha ha ha indeed. Wrong. When someone says, "The people . . ." They're referring to "most" --- not "all, without exception". I think you and goz need to take an English class. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 18, 2020 22:25:04 GMT
" The people" are not "most people" criticising you, neither are there any exceptions to your terms of condemnation of those asking.. Ha ha ha indeed. Wrong. When someone says, "The people . . ." They're referring to "most", not "all, without exception". "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" Do these sentences necessarily mean that only 'most' of the Founding Fathers thought these things? Or that they only spoke for some? You'd think they'd know. In case law does "The People vs... " mean only most of the people? Give it up. I'm off.
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 22:33:36 GMT
Wrong. When someone says, "The people . . ." They're referring to "most", not "all, without exception". "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" Do these sentences necessarily mean that only 'most' of the Founding Fathers thought these things? Or that they only spoke for some? You'd think they'd know. Give it up. I'm off. I'm sure every single citizen of the United States didn't agree. I don't even think they even polled every single person in the country. So, how would they even know. |
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Post by movieliker on May 18, 2020 22:38:47 GMT
I'm sure every single citizen of the United States didn't agree. I don't even think they even polled every single person in the country. So, how would they even know. Desperate. ha ha ha Nope, right on. Never do every single person in any country agree on everything. A substantial portion of the American population fought for England, in the War of Independence. |
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