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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 16:23:13 GMT
You can't accept that the world has moved on, and those Marvel characters in the MCU are finally getting their proper respect....can you? This is starting to get sad. DC's the one whose been getting the eggs and tomatoes treatment. Marvel is the one that's been holding it all together, even if they haven't been getting proper respect until now...well, except for the overrated ones like X-Men.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 30, 2017 18:45:30 GMT
That's correct. Superman will always be #1 simply for the fact that he started it all. Without Superman, there would be no comic-book superheroes today. Without Superman: The Movie, there would be no CBMs today. Superman is the one who started it all.
It's similar to Hulk Hogan. Without Hulkmania, there would be no WrestleMania.
Not true, there's still be Superheroes without Superman. And there's be CBMs without Superman: The Movie. Nope. If there was no Superman, there wouldn't have been any comic-book superheroes. And if there was no Superman: The Movie, there would be no CBMs. Dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is Superman started it all.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 18:49:22 GMT
Not true, there's still be Superheroes without Superman. And there's be CBMs without Superman: The Movie. Nope. If there was no Superman, there wouldn't have been any comic-book superheroes. And if there was no Superman: The Movie, there would be no CBMs. Dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is Superman started it all. Comic books would have superheroes without Superman, and there'd be CBMs without his movies too. You can't own up to it, as usual. He was an archetype, and those are easy to come by. Captain America would've existed without Superman.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2017 19:03:10 GMT
Nope. If there was no Superman, there wouldn't have been any comic-book superheroes. And if there was no Superman: The Movie, there would be no CBMs. Dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is Superman started it all. Comic books would have superheroes without Superman, and there'd be CBMs without his movies too. You can't own up to it, as usual. He was an archetype, and those are easy to come by.
Captain America would've existed without Superman.
Yikes. Edited to add: I suppose the Beatles would've existed without Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley, yeah?
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 19:11:03 GMT
Comic books would have superheroes without Superman, and there'd be CBMs without his movies too. You can't own up to it, as usual. He was an archetype, and those are easy to come by.
Captain America would've existed without Superman.
Yikes. Edited to add: I suppose the Beatles would've existed without Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley, yeah? Music existed BEFORE Berry and Elvis after all. It would exist without them.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 30, 2017 19:29:45 GMT
Nope. If there was no Superman, there wouldn't have been any comic-book superheroes. And if there was no Superman: The Movie, there would be no CBMs. Dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is Superman started it all. Comic books would have superheroes without Superman, and there'd be CBMs without his movies too. You can't own up to it, as usual. He was an archetype, and those are easy to come by. Captain America would've existed without Superman. Nope, without Superman there would be no Captain America. In fact, without Justice League there would be no Avengers. It was because of the popularity of the Justice League comics that Marvel comics boss told Stan Lee to create a superhero team for Marvel. Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four first. Then the X-Men and the Avengers followed.
So you dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is there would be no superheroes without Superman and there would be no Avengers without the Justice League.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 19:35:35 GMT
Comic books would have superheroes without Superman, and there'd be CBMs without his movies too. You can't own up to it, as usual. He was an archetype, and those are easy to come by. Captain America would've existed without Superman. Nope, without Superman there would be no Captain America. In fact, without Justice League there would be no Avengers. It was because of the popularity of the Justice League comics that Marvel comics boss told Stan Lee to create a superhero team for Marvel. Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four first. Then the X-Men and the Avengers followed. Cap didn't need Superman to exist, in fact DC would've existed without Superman. And the Avengers would exist too, because as you said they'd already created teams so it was inevitable without or without the Justice League.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 30, 2017 19:40:46 GMT
Nope, without Superman there would be no Captain America. In fact, without Justice League there would be no Avengers. It was because of the popularity of the Justice League comics that Marvel comics boss told Stan Lee to create a superhero team for Marvel. Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four first. Then the X-Men and the Avengers followed. Cap didn't need Superman to exist, in fact DC would've existed without Superman. And the Avengers would exist too, because as you said they'd already created teams so it was inevitable without or without the Justice League. Nope, Captain America would've never existed without Superman. And the Avengers wouldn't have existed without Justice League either.
You've just proven that MCU fans are really stupid. Since you're slow at getting things, I'll explain it to you more slowly:
Marvel did have a team (the Fantastic Four) before the Avengers, but Stan Lee created that team (the Fantastic Four) only because Marvel's boss told him to create a superhero team after he saw how popular the Justice League comics were. So you dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is there would be no Avengers (or any other Marvel teams) without the Justice League.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 19:44:32 GMT
Cap didn't need Superman to exist, in fact DC would've existed without Superman. And the Avengers would exist too, because as you said they'd already created teams so it was inevitable without or without the Justice League. Nope, Captain America would've never existed without Superman. And the Avengers wouldn't have existed without Justice League either. Yeah, they would. Superman was an archetype, not a character. And those are easy to create. Other Comic Heroes existed before Superman and they didn't need him to get by. The Fantastic Four was enough of a success that it would've led to a team eventually. The Justice League thing is just an excuse. And ease off the colored text, that just shows your desperation.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2017 19:45:17 GMT
Yikes. Edited to add: I suppose the Beatles would've existed without Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley, yeah? Music existed BEFORE Berry and Elvis after all. It would exist without them. Not the Beatles though. At least not according to John Lennon.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 19:47:33 GMT
Music existed BEFORE Berry and Elvis after all. It would exist without them. Not the Beatles though. At least not according to John Lennon. Eh, they'd have likely found other inspiration.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2017 19:47:48 GMT
Nope, Captain America would've never existed without Superman. And the Avengers wouldn't have existed without Justice League either. Yeah, they would. Superman was an archetype, not a character. And those are easy to create. Other Comic Heroes existed before Superman and they didn't need him to get by. The Fantastic Four was enough of a success that it would've led to a team eventually. The Justice League thing is just an excuse. Dude, you're making an asshole out of yourself. Just concede that while Superman/JLA/DC might've been partially or even directly responsible for some Marvel creations you prefer the direction Marvel took and/or believe it to be superior. Jesus, it's like playing chess by myself talking to you...
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 30, 2017 20:11:05 GMT
So I'll give a real response to this, and I'll adhere to the idea of "conceptual level" instead of just picking my favorite heros or the ones I think everybody will agree are the most famous characters possible.
- Punisher: This is a character that conceptually is all about the question, "is killing wrong?" Was he right when told Daredevil, "I think you're a half measure",,, "you hit them and they get back up, I hit them and they stay down!"?
- Captain America: Conceptually, the purest hero possible. The guy who no matter what will always always always always do the right thing, at the risk of himself, he'll gladly die for the greater good.
- Dr Doom: Conceptually, he's right. This is a dictator, but he's one who instead of burdening his people has created a utopia for them, and he wants to provide that for the rest of the world as well, to improve it. So why don't we let him? Because of freedom, something we dare never give up.
- Silver Surfer: Conceptually a man torn between the bittern uncaring nature of reality, and the instinctual compassion he thought he'd lost. A man who gave up everything to save his home, and has known so much he struggles to remember the feeling of humanity.
- Rogue: Never being able to touch, just think about that conceptually. How she turned out as anything but evil is an amazing testament to her character.
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Post by merh on Apr 30, 2017 20:24:32 GMT
Not true, there's still be Superheroes without Superman. And there's be CBMs without Superman: The Movie. Nope. If there was no Superman, there wouldn't have been any comic-book superheroes. And if there was no Superman: The Movie, there would be no CBMs. Dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is Superman started it all. Sorry, DCFan. Superheroes existed before Supes.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 30, 2017 20:32:48 GMT
The whole reason that Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four was because Marvel's boss told him to create a superhero team for Marvel after he saw how popular the Justice League comic books were. So you dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is the Fantastic Four (and by extension, the X-Men and the Avengers later on) would never have existed without the Justice League.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:38:17 GMT
The whole reason that Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four was because Marvel's boss told him to create a superhero team for Marvel after he saw how popular the Justice League comic books were. So you dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is the Fantastic Four (and by extension, the X-Men and the Avengers later on) would never have existed without the Justice League.
Yes yes, we get it. DC was first in everything and by far superior in all regards. We bow to the masters at DC. Now just let us be with our own delusional minds. Pssst, do y'all think he will buy this shit?
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Post by merh on Apr 30, 2017 21:27:10 GMT
I assume this means who we like? 1-Thor 2-Captain America These 2 are protectors. They will go all out to save others. 3-Spiderman. A superpowered loser. He saves others while his own life is a mess. Saving others often contributes to his life being a mess. 4-Ghost Rider. Made a bad deal with the best of intentions. Tries to do good while battling a demon. 5-The Defenders-team of outsiders. Original lineup Dr Strange, Namor, & Hulk. Nighthawk, Son of Satan, Valkyrie were also regulars.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 1, 2017 2:38:31 GMT
The whole reason that Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four was because Marvel's boss told him to create a superhero team for Marvel after he saw how popular the Justice League comic books were. So you dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is the Fantastic Four (and by extension, the X-Men and the Avengers later on) would never have existed without the Justice League.
Nope, the Fantastic Four had nothing to do with the Justice League. Stan Lee just wanted to do stuff DC was too scared to do and created a comic about Superheroes who acted like a family first and foremost. The Justice League didn't matter. Especially given Justice League didn't invent anything new for comics in the first place, they were nowhere near as epoch-making as Marvels' contributions.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 8:19:06 GMT
The whole reason that Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four was because Marvel's boss told him to create a superhero team for Marvel after he saw how popular the Justice League comic books were. So you dumb MCU fans don't want to admit it, but the fact is the Fantastic Four (and by extension, the X-Men and the Avengers later on) would never have existed without the Justice League.
Nope, the Fantastic Four had nothing to do with the Justice League. Stan Lee just wanted to do stuff DC was too scared to do and created a comic about Superheroes who acted like a family first and foremost. The Justice League didn't matter. Especially given Justice League didn't invent anything new for comics in the first place, they were nowhere near as epoch-making as Marvels' contributions. The Fantastic Four (and by extension, the X-Men and the Avengers later on) would never have existed without the Justice League. Stan Lee ONLY created the Fantastic Four because his boss at Marvel told him to create a superhero team after he saw how popular the Justice League comics were.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 1, 2017 13:06:34 GMT
Nope, the Fantastic Four had nothing to do with the Justice League. Stan Lee just wanted to do stuff DC was too scared to do and created a comic about Superheroes who acted like a family first and foremost. The Justice League didn't matter. Especially given Justice League didn't invent anything new for comics in the first place, they were nowhere near as epoch-making as Marvels' contributions. The Fantastic Four (and by extension, the X-Men and the Avengers later on) would never have existed without the Justice League. Stan Lee ONLY created the Fantastic Four because his boss at Marvel told him to create a superhero team after he saw how popular the Justice League comics were.Nope, the Fantastic Four would've existed regardless. They were based on the idea of "A superhero family" that didn't always get along, which has little to do with the Justice League who were a much much more generic group. And as such, the Avengers and X-Men didn't need the Justice League either. If anything, the successes of Marvels' books are what convinced DC to not pull the plug on the JLA.
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