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Post by lowtacks86 on May 17, 2020 22:59:53 GMT
Dalerhyde in Red Dragon
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Post by bravomailer on May 17, 2020 23:04:42 GMT
Not sympathetic, but this is a powerful scene.
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Post by James on May 17, 2020 23:24:34 GMT
Billy Chapman - Silent Night, Deadly Night
Michael Myers - Rob Zombie’s Halloween
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Post by dirtypillows on May 17, 2020 23:29:04 GMT
Dollarhyde as presented in "Red Dragon" was not sympathetic to me, but the same character in "Manhuhter" was very sympathetic. A profoundly sad and lonely character. I've never considered Aileen Wournos to be a true serial killer, but I found her character in "Monster" extraordinarily sympathetic. Norman Bates Peter Lorre in "M" (I wouldn't have remembered him if the poster above didn't include the clip.) Vincent and Ida - "Motel Hell" |
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Post by Ass_E9 on May 17, 2020 23:47:23 GMT
Vann Siegert in The Minus Man.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 0:07:46 GMT
In Manhunter, there is a memorable scene where Will Graham does explain why he has sympathy for the Tooth Fairy. Some editions have this scene removed. And the way he described it does make me share in that sympathy but only to an extent. He did such horrifying things, which Graham also further explains as a good reason to blow him out of his socks.
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Post by someguy on May 18, 2020 4:32:13 GMT
Dollarhyde as presented in "Red Dragon" was not sympathetic to me, but the same character in "Manhuhter" was very sympathetic. A profoundly sad and lonely character. I've never considered Aileen Wournos to be a true serial killer, but I found her character in "Monster" extraordinarily sympathetic. Norman Bates Peter Lorre in "M" (I wouldn't have remembered him if the poster above didn't include the clip.) Vincent and Ida - "Motel Hell" On what grounds was Aileen Wournos not a true serial killer? |
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Post by dirtypillows on May 18, 2020 5:06:58 GMT
Dollarhyde as presented in "Red Dragon" was not sympathetic to me, but the same character in "Manhuhter" was very sympathetic. A profoundly sad and lonely character. I've never considered Aileen Wournos to be a true serial killer, but I found her character in "Monster" extraordinarily sympathetic. Norman Bates Peter Lorre in "M" (I wouldn't have remembered him if the poster above didn't include the clip.) Vincent and Ida - "Motel Hell" On what grounds was Aileen Wournos not a true serial killer? The classic serial killer is, at heart, a sadist who enjoys watching their victim suffer. Aileen likely killed her victims to get their money. (Except in the case of the first guy, where it is thought to have been self-defense.) At any rate, I seriously doubt if she enjoyed watching her victims suffer, as in each case, she used a handgun to kill, likely killing each man almost instantly, as opposed to the sick shit pulled by Bundy, Dahmer and Gacy. Also, there is often - not always - a sexual component with the serial killer. This was certainly the case with those lovely three gentlemen. But certainly not so with Aileen. Nominally speaking, Aileen Wournos may be a serial killer, but that's as far as it goes. She does not fit any of the other criteria. |
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Post by maxwellperfect on May 18, 2020 5:16:04 GMT
Arthur Fleck
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Post by novastar6 on May 18, 2020 5:31:06 GMT
On what grounds was Aileen Wournos not a true serial killer? The classic serial killer is, at heart, a sadist who enjoys watching their victim suffer. Aileen likely killed her victims to get their money. (Except in the case of the first guy, where it is thought to have been self-defense.) At any rate, I seriously doubt if she enjoyed watching her victims suffer, as in each case, she used a handgun to kill, likely killing each man almost instantly, as opposed to the sick shit pulled by Bundy, Dahmer and Gacy. Also, there is often - not always - a sexual component with the serial killer. This was certainly the case with those lovely three gentlemen. But certainly not so with Aileen. Nominally speaking, Aileen Wournos may be a serial killer, but that's as far as it goes. She does not fit any of the other criteria.
She fits it in that she killed numerous victims, actively going out and seeking them with the premeditation to kill them for her own gain. Some serial killers actually DO do it for the financial gain.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 18, 2020 6:00:56 GMT
On what grounds was Aileen Wournos not a true serial killer? I myself don't see Wuornos as a typical psychopathic serial killer. She doesn't seem to fit the complete criteria. She had string of corpses in her wake, which fits the serial bill, but her psyche and reasoning for killing appears born out of a different dynamic than a typical psychopathic, narcissist serial killer. She didn't even have a very high IQ, which many serial killers tend to posses. These guys genuinely covet many of their victims and are cruel, sadistic and duplicitous in their approach. I see her actions as born more out of desperation and were random acts of violence with the intention to rob.
Wuronos also had a hatred of men because of how she had been treated and abused her whole life. Her early childhood life often seems so much more extreme to me, than compared to the likes of what I have read of Bundy, Gacy and Dahmer. She was hardly ever shown or given any love. I personally feel, had Wuronos been brought up in a decent household\family and been loved and cared for, things would have turned out very differently for her.
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Post by politicidal on May 19, 2020 13:58:52 GMT
Same. Fiennes was better than Noonan.
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Post by angel on May 19, 2020 15:44:09 GMT
Not sympathetic, but this is a powerful scene. I absolutely had sympathy for him and given the heinousness of his crimes, in my eyes is a testament to what a towering achievement both Lang and Lorre managed with that film. I'll also second Tom Noonan from Manhunter and I'll add Karlheinz Böhm from Peeping Tom. In all three cases, you get a powerful sense these are serial killers that are made and not born.
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