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Post by RangerMike on May 20, 2020 0:19:36 GMT
Can some Atheist believe in reincarnation? I have read where some do. It seems like an oxymoron.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 20, 2020 0:23:18 GMT
Yes an atheist can belive in reincarnation.
Atheist is just a person who don`t belive in God.
Its not an oxymoron
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Post by thorshairspray on May 20, 2020 0:31:24 GMT
Yes,
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 20, 2020 1:01:39 GMT
Technically speaking yes, as someone already pointed out, atheist is just somone that doesn't believe in god, not necessarily someone that doesn't believe in the supernatural (unless of course you wanna make a "naturalistic" argument for reincarnation). Now with that in mind, would I say it doesn't make much sense for an atheist to believe in reincarnation, ghosts, demons, etc.
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Post by thefleetsin on May 22, 2020 22:29:18 GMT
you can believe in anything. which is proven again and again by the thousands of belief systems through out recorded history.
that being said, there is absolutely not one iota of proof to any of these belief systems.
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Post by Isapop on May 22, 2020 23:01:02 GMT
Can some Atheist believe in reincarnation? I have read where some do. It seems like an oxymoron. There is a naturalistic explanation, involving quantum physics, for reincarnation out there. So yes, an atheist can believe in reincarnation.
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Post by general313 on May 23, 2020 0:19:05 GMT
I think reincarnation is considerably more plausible that the Abrahamic ultra-powerful God depicted in the Bible. I think there are still unanswered questions about consciousness that science has yet to answer, especially the binding problem: would a perfect replica (down to the atomic level) of you be you, or a copy of you (consciously speaking), and does it matter if the original you is still around after the copy is made? Of course the particular definition of reincarnation matters here: if the definition is unconcerned with the binding problem it would be easier to accept the possibility. Another question with reincarnation is is it necessary for subsequent instances of a mind to possess any kind of memory of (or from) previous instances?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 6:28:03 GMT
If they want to, yes.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on May 23, 2020 8:20:02 GMT
YUP
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 23, 2020 9:12:11 GMT
Can a theist believe in reincarnation?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 23, 2020 11:46:40 GMT
Can some Atheist believe in reincarnation? I have read where some do. It seems like an oxymoron. It depends for me whether or not I think it is likely that personality and memory can exist away from the physical mind, or even if it makes logical sense to separate them like that. Personally, I don't. I don't think either that it has any bearing on whether God exists or not.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 23, 2020 11:55:18 GMT
Can a theist believe in reincarnation? I appreciate wit. Good question too.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 23, 2020 12:26:50 GMT
Can some Atheist believe in reincarnation? I have read where some do. It seems like an oxymoron. Will Rogers famously said, "I'm a member of no political organization, I'm a Democrat." That is according to one source anyway. Most people believe he said, "I'm not a member of any political party, I'm a Democrat," however the point remains the same. Where was I? Oh yes, my point here is that there is no organization of atheists, at least not in the sense of defining any beliefs or lack of beliefs. It's all self professed or self identified. There is a Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) and a Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (MAAF) but neither sets any standard definition of atheism. The point appears to be some sort of opposition to organized religion or system of thought. It would be difficult to say what any atheists believe from any of this. An organization of atheists would be like a book club for people who don't read. So someone has to design (tricky that) and conduct a survey or maybe put the question to more widespread social media. The very good question here is whether it is compatible to believe in spiritual phenomena but not a central figure, purpose, trend, or direction for it all. I think most people don't find that compatible. However since there is such widespread confusion about the exact qualities of any of these things it is not surprising to find a variety of beliefs.
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Post by thefleetsin on May 23, 2020 14:53:14 GMT
a twenty one hun salute
back in the day
one didn't have the layered digital display
to sway young minds
into believing
their deaths were worth
deceiving
future generations into
retrieving
extra curricular amounts of
this or that abuse-able substance
known long since
to cause all manner of
physical liabilities
but what's a knee for
if you can't be
some nations lubed up whore
imagining the endless possibilities
of one day you
operating the same thumb screws
you were sold as a child
on the pretense
of never going too buck wild
beyond the occasional
wife beating or two
after the liquor you consume
has eaten away the last vestiges
of any moral compass
you dreamed of as a child
before the complex went buck wild
on your virgin mind.
sjw 05/23/2020 inspired at this very moment in time by the butter on the backside of the bread.
from the 'blitzkrieg series' of poems
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on May 23, 2020 14:56:36 GMT
Christians, Muslims, and Jews, if they are orthodox, or rightly aligned, with their faith’s dogma do not believe in reincarnation. It’s actually heresy for them to do so. This is, I daresay, a hefty majority of atheists do not believe in it either. This is a rare point where theists and atheists are in agreement.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 23, 2020 15:10:01 GMT
Christians, Muslims, and Jews, if they are orthodox, or rightly aligned, with their faith’s dogma do not believe in reincarnation. It’s actually heresy for them to do so. This is, I daresay, a hefty majority of atheists do not believe in it either. This is a rare point where theists and atheists are in agreement. The exact meaning of "born again" is generally assumed to mean something other than reincarnation, however as with most spiritual phenomena the details can be murky. You might be correct that "Christians, Muslims and Jews" who do not believe in reincarnation as a matter of traditional doctrine, but I suspect that is only the case at some fundamental level.
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Post by rizdek on May 25, 2020 11:40:26 GMT
"Believe in" is an ambiguous loaded phrase. It can seemingly range from thinking something likely and pondering the hows/whys/wherefores or simply thinking it possible in some way given broad enough definitions. For example, I think we'd find that the broad category of "theists" includes everyone from those who believe that Jesus was a god who became a person who physically walked among people and that he now sits at the right hand of the heavenly father making intercession for us, to someone who believes that maybe there is some sort of power force that might've made the world, as we know it, possible...ie some sort of deist god. Yet, to me, those two concepts...while all generally considered under the umbrella of theism are further apart than my atheism is from that latter form of theism. I certainly don't believe Jesus was a god who walked among people, but I am much less certain there isn't something out there that, if people knew about it, might not agree that THAT is what they thought god was all along.
I consider myself an atheist, but in no way do I think that that not believing there is an ultimate being who looks 'down' from on high and involves itself with humanities activities precludes believing other things...particularly about what is termed the human spirit. I don't think that the human spirit...eg MY spirit will somehow live on (long) after my human body dies so that I...my consciousness...will reawaken in a... rat. I don't think it will somehow migrate 'in total' to some other life form. However, that stems from my rather traditional 'view' of what a spirit is. What if we were to say that consciousness is the human spirit and lets assume consciousness is at its basic level, a part of the natural universe? IE what if it stems from some unknown aspect/realm/field of the natural physical world. If so, then that means that which I call my consciousness didn't just up and begin to exist the day I was conceived. It or its components had to have been part of the physical world BEFORE my body grew from the union of a sperm and egg. So, just because I die, it doesn't mean the particular portions of whatever consciousness is that was mine will never become part of another life form's consciousness. Just like the molecules in my body may eventually become part of another animal or plants body the elements of my consciousness may eventually become part of another organism. Of course, that way of thinking about it is pretty useless when one wants to think of reincarnation as a way for someone's 'self' to somehow survive death and live on. BUT it could be another way of looking at reincarnation.
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Post by Aj_June on May 25, 2020 11:43:57 GMT
Christians, Muslims, and Jews, if they are orthodox, or rightly aligned, with their faith’s dogma do not believe in reincarnation. It’s actually heresy for them to do so. That is generally true but among Muslims Alawites (a sub sect of Shia in Syria) do believe in rebirth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites#Reincarnation
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Post by thefleetsin on May 25, 2020 14:45:44 GMT
the fourth or memorial day
if you can't
jack up your dead bodies
and parade them
around
like so many carnival clowns
announcing once again
that your
cesarean circus is back in town
then what's the point
in ever going down
on a precept so profound
it's taken six thousand years
for the homogenized fears
to be left buried
in that six feet of not so
hallowed ground.
sjw 05/25/2020 inspired at this very moment in time by which corporation was dolling out the freedom this week.
from the 'blitzkrieg series' of poems
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Post by mslo79 on May 25, 2020 16:47:35 GMT
Feologild OakesI tend to see the atheist definition like this... when you die you cease to exist, like you were never born. nothingness. so by that standard the answer to the topic would be... no. Toasted CheeseNo, at least not us Christians. but speaking from a Catholic perspective (which is the True Church of Jesus Christ since He started it with Peter(basically the first Pope) and it went down through the generations til today) when you die here on earth your basically judged by Jesus Christ and then one of three things happen... -Heaven (immediate entrance to Heaven "IF" your pure enough to immediately enter it (which in my opinion is unlikely for a high percentage of people(see Purgatory below))) -Purgatory (assuming one does not end up in hell, in my opinion, the vast majority of people will be in this state which purifies them from their sin (through intense suffering as we are being purified from our attachment to sin) before they ultimately reach Heaven.) -Hell (basically if a person passes from this life into the next in a state of mortal sin, your doomed for eternity in hell. nothing but hate/misery exists here far beyond anything one can experience here on earth and it's non-stop all of the time. but this is not God's fault, as those who end up here did it to themselves by rejecting God and His ways. they choose evil over good.) NOTE: if a person is truly in a state of mortal sin here in this life on earth the ordinary way one gets right with God again is through the Sacrament of Confession which restores their soul to a state of grace so if they die they can ultimately obtain Heaven once again. ill also add this... venial sin(mild sin) only wounds ones relationship with God, mortal sin(serious sin) destroys it. NOTE: ones degree of holiness in this life determines how much joy they will have in Heaven. but I heard some put it like this... while everyone is perfectly happy in Heaven (as no suffering/negativity whatsoever exists there), some have a higher degree of it. sort of like a full shot glass vs a full cup, both are full but one has more. but to be crystal clear... even the lowest person in Heaven, there joy/happiness far exceeds what one can experience here on earth from earthly pleasure. so if even someone was sort of the "bottom-of-the-barrel" in Heaven, it's not like they are going to be complaining in the slightest 
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