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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 25, 2020 18:19:33 GMT
Feologild Oakes I tend to see the atheist definition like this... when you die you cease to exist, like you were never born. nothingness. so by that standard the answer to the topic would be... no. It does not matter how you see it, or what your definition is. The factual definition of an atheist as it states in a dictionary is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Your definition is wrong, and you standard is wrong your definition of atheist is wrong.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on May 25, 2020 19:06:17 GMT
............-Hell (basically if a person passes from this life into the next in a state of mortal sin, your doomed for eternity in hell. nothing but hate/misery exists here far beyond anything one can experience here on earth and it's non-stop all of the time. but this is not God's fault, as those who end up here did it to themselves by rejecting God and His ways. they choose evil over good..................... Why are you so self-obsessed with sending people to Hell? Do you really think that is rejecting evil over good? It sounds more like you are doing the devil's work masked as Gods. They say the devil is deceptive.
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Post by general313 on May 25, 2020 20:09:02 GMT
...since He started it with Peter(basically the first Pope) and.. Just curious, why do you qualify this with "basically"?
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Post by RangerMike on May 26, 2020 11:36:32 GMT
Christians, Muslims, and Jews, if they are orthodox, or rightly aligned, with their faith’s dogma do not believe in reincarnation. It’s actually heresy for them to do so. This is, I daresay, a hefty majority of atheists do not believe in it either. This is a rare point where theists and atheists are in agreement. It seems a true atheist would not believe in the supernatural. To believe in the supernatural and deny a supreme being would be an oxymoron. Or would it?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 26, 2020 12:40:38 GMT
Christians, Muslims, and Jews, if they are orthodox, or rightly aligned, with their faith’s dogma do not believe in reincarnation. It’s actually heresy for them to do so. This is, I daresay, a hefty majority of atheists do not believe in it either. This is a rare point where theists and atheists are in agreement. It seems a true atheist would not believe in the supernatural. To believe in the supernatural and deny a supreme being would be an oxymoron. Or would it? An atheist is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. The only thing an atheist can not belive in is a God or Gods, so no its not an oxymoron.
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Post by drystyx on May 26, 2020 12:51:07 GMT
Logically, it would make more sense for an atheist to believe in reincarnation than a theist, because there would be no "authority with ultimate power" to deny someone reincarnation in the atheist belief system.
If there is no extreme higher power to "annihilate" you, then of course you would believe in some form of reincarnation, even if it took a billion years to happen.
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Post by thefleetsin on May 26, 2020 16:18:13 GMT
nothing to fear but beer itself
i've developed a long term relationship
with beer almighty.
and
not just any beer.
but
certain double ipa elixirs
which now
force me to contemplate
stretchy pants
while
attending trans-positive mixers.
sjw 05/26/2020 inspired at this very moment in time by those extra fifteen pounds.
from the all new 'bloated series' of poems
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 20:18:12 GMT
Can some Atheist believe in reincarnation? I have read where some do. It seems like an oxymoron. really anybody can call themselves whatever they want and believe whatever they want...
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Post by goz on May 26, 2020 22:59:36 GMT
Feologild Oakes I tend to see the atheist definition like this... when you die you cease to exist, like you were never born. nothingness. so by that standard the answer to the topic would be... no. Toasted Cheese No, at least not us Christians. but speaking from a Catholic perspective (which is the True Church of Jesus Christ since He started it with Peter(basically the first Pope) and it went down through the generations til today) when you die here on earth your basically judged by Jesus Christ and then one of three things happen... -Heaven (immediate entrance to Heaven "IF" your pure enough to immediately enter it (which in my opinion is unlikely for a high percentage of people(see Purgatory below))) -Purgatory (assuming one does not end up in hell, in my opinion, the vast majority of people will be in this state which purifies them from their sin (through intense suffering as we are being purified from our attachment to sin) before they ultimately reach Heaven.) -Hell (basically if a person passes from this life into the next in a state of mortal sin, your doomed for eternity in hell. nothing but hate/misery exists here far beyond anything one can experience here on earth and it's non-stop all of the time. but this is not God's fault, as those who end up here did it to themselves by rejecting God and His ways. they choose evil over good.) NOTE: if a person is truly in a state of mortal sin here in this life on earth the ordinary way one gets right with God again is through the Sacrament of Confession which restores their soul to a state of grace so if they die they can ultimately obtain Heaven once again. ill also add this... venial sin(mild sin) only wounds ones relationship with God, mortal sin(serious sin) destroys it. NOTE: ones degree of holiness in this life determines how much joy they will have in Heaven. but I heard some put it like this... while everyone is perfectly happy in Heaven (as no suffering/negativity whatsoever exists there), some have a higher degree of it. sort of like a full shot glass vs a full cup, both are full but one has more. but to be crystal clear... even the lowest person in Heaven, there joy/happiness far exceeds what one can experience here on earth from earthly pleasure. so if even someone was sort of the "bottom-of-the-barrel" in Heaven, it's not like they are going to be complaining in the slightest 
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Post by lunda2222 on May 27, 2020 23:37:10 GMT
Absolutely.
The only requrement for being an atheist is that you don't believe in Gods. That doesen't mean they cannot be religious.
One of the big religions, Budhism, who embraces reincarnation, is a religion without any gods and is therefore considered an atheistic religion. Please note that doesen't include all Buddhists as there are Buddhists that believes in deities.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 13, 2020 16:08:59 GMT
Yes.
Most Buddhists are atheists.
It is in no way an oxymoron. Atheism is just the disbelief in God or Gods. That is entirely separate from reincarnation.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 13, 2020 16:18:19 GMT
Feologild Oakes I tend to see the atheist definition like this... when you die you cease to exist, like you were never born. nothingness. so by that standard the answer to the topic would be... no. It does not matter how you see it, or what your definition is. The factual definition of an atheist as it states in a dictionary is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Your definition is wrong, and you standard is wrong your definition of atheist is wrong. Yes, mslo is factually wrong. I don't say that very much, but in this case I am saying it. Many atheists have a lot of beliefs in common, but all atheism addresses is a disbelief in God. I am willing to bet that Theists have a lot less in common with eachother than atheists do with eachother. People that worship nature or some kind of universal connection can be atheists and Buddhists are largely atheists as well. If you want to know what a specific atheist believes ask them. I had a girlfriend who is an atheist and believes in ghosts. |
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Post by drystyx on Jun 13, 2020 17:40:46 GMT
............-Hell (basically if a person passes from this life into the next in a state of mortal sin, your doomed for eternity in hell. nothing but hate/misery exists here far beyond anything one can experience here on earth and it's non-stop all of the time. but this is not God's fault, as those who end up here did it to themselves by rejecting God and His ways. they choose evil over good..................... Why are you so self-obsessed with sending people to Hell? Do you really think that is rejecting evil over good? It sounds more like you are doing the devil's work masked as Gods. They say the devil is deceptive.
There's absolutely nothing in mslo's post that indicates any obsession with sending people to Hell. There's no reason to make up a lie to hate someone. Mslo says that if you want to choose "evil" over "good", that's what you get, your own desire. If you have some trouble with that, it says a lot about you, especially since you come out of nowhere with your false accusation against mslo, who simply gave an analysis of a situation. Why do you love the idea of choosing "evil" over "good"? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 13, 2020 22:15:03 GMT
Why are you so self-obsessed with sending people to Hell? Do you really think that is rejecting evil over good? It sounds more like you are doing the devil's work masked as Gods. They say the devil is deceptive.
Mslo says that if you want to choose "evil" over "good", that's what you get, your own desire. If you have some trouble with that, it says a lot about you, especially since you come out of nowhere with your false accusation against mslo, who simply gave an analysis of a situation. Why do you love the idea of choosing "evil" over "good"?
mslo often preaches about the miseries of hell for rejecting Christ as ones savior, so what is your point? It is written right in the quote I posted,
mslo:
Threatening people about the flames of eternity for not believing in a fable says more about mslo than others.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 13, 2020 22:34:09 GMT
There's absolutely nothing in mslo's post that indicates any obsession with sending people to Hell. There's no reason to make up a lie to hate someone. Mslo says that if you want to choose "evil" over "good", that's what you get, your own desire. If you have some trouble with that, it says a lot about you, especially since you come out of nowhere with your false accusation against mslo, who simply gave an analysis of a situation. Why do you love the idea of choosing "evil" over "good"?
mslo often preaches about the miseries of hell for rejecting Christ as ones savior, so what is your point? It is written right in the quote I posted,
mslo:
Threatening people about the flames of eternity for not believing in a fable says more about mslo than others.
According to the Bible the most immoral person imaginable can avoid hell by simply submitting to God on their deathbed and yet unbaptized 5 year old goes to Hell for being unbaptized. A decision he had no part of. Sicking After Jeffrey Dahmer was convicted of 15 murders and sentenced to many lifetimes in prison, a priest began visiting him and sharing the gospel. According to the priest, Dahmer struggled to grasp the depths of God’s grace. It’s not hard to understand why. For someone who committed such atrocious acts, grace must have seemed unattainable. But in a 1994 interview with Stone Phillips, Dahmer said: “I have accepted [Jesus] as my Lord and Savior.” Though we won’t know of his sincerity until heaven, it’s possible that one of the most twisted serial killers of our lifetime said yes to grace. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 13, 2020 22:43:55 GMT
mslo often preaches about the miseries of hell for rejecting Christ as ones savior, so what is your point? It is written right in the quote I posted,
mslo:
Threatening people about the flames of eternity for not believing in a fable says more about mslo than others.
According to the Bible the most immoral person imaginable can avoid hell by simply submitting to God on their deathbed and yet unbaptized 5 year old goes to Hell for being unbaptized. A decision he had no part of. Sicking After Jeffrey Dahmer was convicted of 15 murders and sentenced to many lifetimes in prison, a priest began visiting him and sharing the gospel. According to the priest, Dahmer struggled to grasp the depths of God’s grace. It’s not hard to understand why. For someone who committed such atrocious acts, grace must have seemed unattainable. But in a 1994 interview with Stone Phillips, Dahmer said: “I have accepted [Jesus] as my Lord and Savior.” Though we won’t know of his sincerity until heaven, it’s possible that one of the most twisted serial killers of our lifetime said yes to grace. Well as long as he did, Dhamer won't be suffering the torments of hell. Nice easy way out this religion god thing. People can just act as they like and then get redemption if they remember to be graceful before their end. I doubt Dhamer would have had much time to feel graceful though when getting stabbed to death. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 13, 2020 22:48:39 GMT
According to the Bible the most immoral person imaginable can avoid hell by simply submitting to God on their deathbed and yet unbaptized 5 year old goes to Hell for being unbaptized. A decision he had no part of. Sicking After Jeffrey Dahmer was convicted of 15 murders and sentenced to many lifetimes in prison, a priest began visiting him and sharing the gospel. According to the priest, Dahmer struggled to grasp the depths of God’s grace. It’s not hard to understand why. For someone who committed such atrocious acts, grace must have seemed unattainable. But in a 1994 interview with Stone Phillips, Dahmer said: “I have accepted [Jesus] as my Lord and Savior.” Though we won’t know of his sincerity until heaven, it’s possible that one of the most twisted serial killers of our lifetime said yes to grace. Well as long as he did, Dhamer won't be suffering the torments of hell. Nice easy way out this religion god thing. People can just act as they like and then get redemption if they remember to be graceful before their end. I doubt Dhamer would have had much time to feel graceful though when getting stabbed to death. I like your new avatar btw. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 13, 2020 22:53:34 GMT
Well as long as he did, Dhamer won't be suffering the torments of hell. Nice easy way out this religion god thing. People can just act as they like and then get redemption if they remember to be graceful before their end. I doubt Dhamer would have had much time to feel graceful though when getting stabbed to death. I like your new avatar btw. An absolute delight of a movie and some of the best characterizations Walt Disney created from Joel Chandler Harris's book of Uncle Remus tales. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 13, 2020 23:08:36 GMT
I like your new avatar btw. An absolute delight of a movie and some of the best characterizations Walt Disney created from Joel Chandler Harris's book of Uncle Remus tales. I didn't know what it was from, I just like the rabbit. |
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Post by drystyx on Jun 13, 2020 23:22:12 GMT
mslo often preaches about the miseries of hell for rejecting Christ as ones savior, so what is your point? It is written right in the quote I posted,
mslo:
Threatening people about the flames of eternity for not believing in a fable says more about mslo than others.
According to the Bible the most immoral person imaginable can avoid hell by simply submitting to God on their deathbed and yet unbaptized 5 year old goes to Hell for being unbaptized. A decision he had no part of. Sicking After Jeffrey Dahmer was convicted of 15 murders and sentenced to many lifetimes in prison, a priest began visiting him and sharing the gospel. According to the priest, Dahmer struggled to grasp the depths of God’s grace. It’s not hard to understand why. For someone who committed such atrocious acts, grace must have seemed unattainable. But in a 1994 interview with Stone Phillips, Dahmer said: “I have accepted [Jesus] as my Lord and Savior.” Though we won’t know of his sincerity until heaven, it’s possible that one of the most twisted serial killers of our lifetime said yes to grace. That takes a lot of thought to assimilate, because a fundamentalists can't use that argument, because fundamentalists believe King David is with the good God, and King David is perhaps the ONLY person recorded in the bible to have total UNFORGIVENESS on his deathbed, against a guy who threw rocks at him. So much for the "last minute reprieve" being the deciding factor. Mslo didn't mention any Hell fire in the post I spoke of, so there was no Hell fire. If this is something mslo usually does prescribe, I'm unaware of that. It looked like mslo's post was more about an eternity of being away from God's good graces and simply in that chasm with no control, because evil people want to control others, and thus play Satan's game of control. That's what I was going by, any way. If I'm wrong about the intent of mslo, I'm sorry. |
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