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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 13:43:17 GMT
Jesus - I'd hate to be a driver over there - sounds like you're playing dodgeball and it's just a lawsuit waiting to happen for some bum in need of money to throw himself in front of a car. Ned's wrong. There are (very) limited circumstances in which pedestrians do have the right of way. You need to inform the DVLA then... It's taught to learner drivers that pedestrians once in the road, and other vulnerable road users always have priority. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 27, 2020 13:44:47 GMT
Ned's wrong. There are (very) limited circumstances in which pedestrians do have the right of way. You need to inform the DVLA then... It's taught to learner drivers that pedestrians once in the road, and other vulnerable road users always have priority. Well, I did post that article. It sort of makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 13:53:21 GMT
You need to inform the DVLA then... It's taught to learner drivers that pedestrians once in the road, and other vulnerable road users always have priority. Well, I did post that article. It sort of makes sense. Hazard perception... You are supposed to be aware of all risks, including pedestrians stepping off the pavement, and drive accordingly. You should be in control of your car at all times and able to stop for pedestrians. You must drive with due care and attention. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 27, 2020 14:35:53 GMT
That analogy is so not the same thing. Then - would you start filming the jaywalker?
I, Frank Sobotka, would not film the jaywalker nor speak to the jaywalker because 1 - I don’t give a shit about jaywalkers, and 2 - I am a white male and as such I have a much lower chance of being harassed and shot by police and every day citizens than if I were a black person. I don’t need the “receipt”, if you will, the video evidence of every encounter that I have. But back to your analogy. Jaywalkers generally only put themselves at risk. Sure, a driver may have to swerve out of the way or something, but generally speaking, if one is jaywalking then the risk is on them. Even if a car hits them and it’s the driver’s fault, the jaywalker still got hit. Whereas if I’m walking an unleashed dog, everything that I listed in my previous post can happen bringing risk to the dog, other dogs, and other people. So while I would nearly 100% of the time ask the person to leash their dog, I can’t imagine having the threat of cops being called on me being made in the same situation. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 27, 2020 14:44:03 GMT
Then - would you start filming the jaywalker?
I, Frank Sobotka, would not film the jaywalker nor speak to the jaywalker because 1 - I don’t give a shit about jaywalkers, and 2 - I am a white male and as such I have a much lower chance of being harassed and shot by police and every day citizens than if I were a black person. I don’t need the “receipt”, if you will, the video evidence of every encounter that I have. But back to your analogy. Jaywalkers generally only put themselves at risk. Sure, a driver may have to swerve out of the way or something, but generally speaking, if one is jaywalking then the risk is on them. Even if a car hits them and it’s the driver’s fault, the jaywalker still got hit. Whereas if I’m walking an unleashed dog, everything that I listed in my previous post can happen bringing risk to the dog, other dogs, and other people. So while I would nearly 100% of the time ask the person to leash their dog, I can’t imagine having the threat of cops being called on me being made in the same situation. But she's putting her child at risk too - with the jaywalking -
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 27, 2020 15:17:57 GMT
I, Frank Sobotka, would not film the jaywalker nor speak to the jaywalker because 1 - I don’t give a shit about jaywalkers, and 2 - I am a white male and as such I have a much lower chance of being harassed and shot by police and every day citizens than if I were a black person. I don’t need the “receipt”, if you will, the video evidence of every encounter that I have. But back to your analogy. Jaywalkers generally only put themselves at risk. Sure, a driver may have to swerve out of the way or something, but generally speaking, if one is jaywalking then the risk is on them. Even if a car hits them and it’s the driver’s fault, the jaywalker still got hit. Whereas if I’m walking an unleashed dog, everything that I listed in my previous post can happen bringing risk to the dog, other dogs, and other people. So while I would nearly 100% of the time ask the person to leash their dog, I can’t imagine having the threat of cops being called on me being made in the same situation. But she's putting her child at risk too - with the jaywalking -
I lack a certain empathy that others have. Babies don’t make me get all gooey. I probably wouldn’t get involved just out of sheer apathy. But if it was a dog, like I said I like dogs more than people. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 27, 2020 15:19:16 GMT
I, Frank Sobotka, would not film the jaywalker nor speak to the jaywalker because 1 - I don’t give a shit about jaywalkers, and 2 - I am a white male and as such I have a much lower chance of being harassed and shot by police and every day citizens than if I were a black person. I don’t need the “receipt”, if you will, the video evidence of every encounter that I have. But back to your analogy. Jaywalkers generally only put themselves at risk. Sure, a driver may have to swerve out of the way or something, but generally speaking, if one is jaywalking then the risk is on them. Even if a car hits them and it’s the driver’s fault, the jaywalker still got hit. Whereas if I’m walking an unleashed dog, everything that I listed in my previous post can happen bringing risk to the dog, other dogs, and other people. So while I would nearly 100% of the time ask the person to leash their dog, I can’t imagine having the threat of cops being called on me being made in the same situation. But she's putting her child at risk too - with the jaywalking -
That leads back to it being her fault then.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 27, 2020 15:21:43 GMT
But she's putting her child at risk too - with the jaywalking -
I lack a certain empathy that others have. Babies don’t make me get all gooey. I probably wouldn’t get involved just out of sheer apathy. But if it was a dog, like I said I like dogs more than people. Yes.
Thank you.
This was the answer I was looking for. Is it wrong for the parent to be jaywalking with his/her child?
Yes. However, 'I probably just wouldn't get involved .....'
Which is what Christian Cooper should have done.
After asking the lady to please leash your dog and she doesn't - let's keep in mind it's a public park (and I get she was disobeying) - not his property - he probably should have just rolled his eyes and shook his head at her and been on his merry little way.
Goes back to my saying of choose your battles wisely.
Was it really necessary to bait the dog (not his property) - and then start filming?
Sounds to me like he was the instigator looking for attention.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 27, 2020 15:23:27 GMT
But she's putting her child at risk too - with the jaywalking -
That leads back to it being her fault then. Absolutely it's her fault.
But would you get involved in the situation to the point where you tried to get her child away from her and then start filming them.
Or would you shake your head after giving her a lecture about endangering her child and be on your way?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 27, 2020 15:28:48 GMT
I lack a certain empathy that others have. Babies don’t make me get all gooey. I probably wouldn’t get involved just out of sheer apathy. But if it was a dog, like I said I like dogs more than people. Yes.
Thank you.
This was the answer I was looking for. Is it wrong for the parent to be jaywalking with his/her child?
Yes. However, 'I probably just wouldn't get involved .....'
Which is what Christian Cooper should have done.
After asking the lady to please leash your dog and she doesn't - let's keep in mind it's a public park - not his property - he probably should have just rolled his eyes and shook his head at her and been on his merry little way.
Goes back to my saying of choose your battles wisely.
Was it really necessary to bait the dog (not his property) - and then start filming?
Sounds to me like he was the instigator looking for attention.
Buts it’s different in that case because her unleashed dog affected (or could have affected) him. No he shouldn’t have fed the dog but everything that happened was the woman’s fault. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 27, 2020 15:31:38 GMT
That leads back to it being her fault then. Absolutely it's her fault.
But would you get involved in the situation to the point where you tried to get her child away from her and then start filming them.
Or would you shake your head after giving her a lecture about endangering her child and be on your way?
To be honest and fair, I'm not particularly interested in this exercise so I'm going to slink away.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 27, 2020 15:33:05 GMT
Yes.
Thank you.
This was the answer I was looking for. Is it wrong for the parent to be jaywalking with his/her child?
Yes. However, 'I probably just wouldn't get involved .....'
Which is what Christian Cooper should have done.
After asking the lady to please leash your dog and she doesn't - let's keep in mind it's a public park - not his property - he probably should have just rolled his eyes and shook his head at her and been on his merry little way.
Goes back to my saying of choose your battles wisely.
Was it really necessary to bait the dog (not his property) - and then start filming?
Sounds to me like he was the instigator looking for attention.
Buts it’s different in that case because her unleashed dog affected (or could have affected) him. No he shouldn’t have fed the dog but everything that happened was the woman’s fault. Ah.
But that's the thing.
It didn't effect him.
He didn't have an allergy to dogs, the dog didn't attack him or pose a threat to him - he was ticked because the little critter was frolicking in a flowerbed.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 27, 2020 15:40:21 GMT
Buts it’s different in that case because her unleashed dog affected (or could have affected) him. No he shouldn’t have fed the dog but everything that happened was the woman’s fault. Ah.
But that's the thing.
It didn't effect him.
He didn't have an allergy to dogs, the dog didn't attack him or pose a threat to him - he was ticked because the little critter was frolicking in a flowerbed.
The little critter was frolicking unleashed in a flower bed in an area where dogs need to be leashed. It’s an area popular with bird watchers. If I was birdwatching there I’d have said something as well regardless of to what extent the dog affected me. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 27, 2020 15:44:05 GMT
Ah.
But that's the thing.
It didn't effect him.
He didn't have an allergy to dogs, the dog didn't attack him or pose a threat to him - he was ticked because the little critter was frolicking in a flowerbed.
The little critter was frolicking unleashed in a flower bed in an area where dogs need to be leashed. It’s an area popular with bird watchers. If I was birdwatching there I’d have said something as well regardless of to what extent the dog affected me. Exactly.
You would have said something. As have I at the trail I jog on.
But would you take it any further than that?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 27, 2020 15:53:56 GMT
The little critter was frolicking unleashed in a flower bed in an area where dogs need to be leashed. It’s an area popular with bird watchers. If I was birdwatching there I’d have said something as well regardless of to what extent the dog affected me. Exactly.
You would have said something. As have I at the trail I jog on.
But would you take it any further than that?
I mean take it further how? Called the cops? Maybe not. Or maybe I’d have taken her picture with the unleashed dog. Maybe there’s some kind of park service there, I don’t know, I’ve never been there. Maybe I’d have shamed her on Facebook or Twitter or something. Maybe I’d have just called her a selfish bitch. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 27, 2020 15:56:35 GMT
Exactly.
You would have said something. As have I at the trail I jog on.
But would you take it any further than that?
I mean take it further how? Called the cops? Maybe not. Or maybe I’d have taken her picture with the unleashed dog. Maybe there’s some kind of park service there, I don’t know, I’ve never been there. Maybe I’d have shamed her on Facebook or Twitter or something. Maybe I’d have just called her a selfish bitch. Take it further as in -
Offer her dog food when it's not your place and then start filming her......which is what he did.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 27, 2020 15:57:28 GMT
I mean take it further how? Called the cops? Maybe not. Or maybe I’d have taken her picture with the unleashed dog. Maybe there’s some kind of park service there, I don’t know, I’ve never been there. Maybe I’d have shamed her on Facebook or Twitter or something. Maybe I’d have just called her a selfish bitch. Take it further as in -
Offer her dog food when it's not your place and then start filming her......which is what he did.
No I would not have tried to feed the dog for reasons previously stated. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 27, 2020 19:18:58 GMT
Here's a look at 'The Ramble' folks.
i.e. - where all of this went down.
Looks very secluded, mysterious - the gentleman doing this piece states 'Lots of Wilderness' - not sure if I was a woman I'd feel quite comfortable being alone in that environment - I'd definitely have eyes in the back of my head and avoid strangers at all costs.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on May 27, 2020 21:17:36 GMT
What does anything in that video have to do with her work performance? She should be fired because of an incident that happened on her own time, an incident in which no one was physically hurt, other than someone's feelings? I'm not saying the woman isn't acting foolish, she obviously has issues, but she should lose her job because of this? What else should happen to her? Should she be thrown in jail? Never be allowed to own a dog again? Should she be forced to drag a heavy chain behind her and carry a sign that says "once I overreacted to something"? She was caught on camera being racist. It was on her time, but she's been identified and for many people, she has now become a face of the company. Maybe the punishment doesn't fit the crime, but you can understand why her employer would take drastic steps to save face. The larger the company, the greater the effect something like this has on their image because of their presence in the public consciousness. To be cynical about it, it's not as if corporate cares if this woman is a racist. They care that she got caught on camera acting like one. Ironically, she would've been better off acting like a typical asshole and just telling the guy to fuck off. Instead she dug her own grave playing the race card when she knew she was being recorded.
Honest question here - I haven't seen the video. What was the extent of her racism? Was it only that she specified that the guy was African-American in the 911 call, or was there more to it? Without wishing to defend her actions, once she decided to call 911 was it not perfectly normal for her to include a basic description of the person who (in her mind) was harassing her?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on May 27, 2020 21:32:38 GMT
She was caught on camera being racist. It was on her time, but she's been identified and for many people, she has now become a face of the company. Maybe the punishment doesn't fit the crime, but you can understand why her employer would take drastic steps to save face. The larger the company, the greater the effect something like this has on their image because of their presence in the public consciousness. To be cynical about it, it's not as if corporate cares if this woman is a racist. They care that she got caught on camera acting like one. Ironically, she would've been better off acting like a typical asshole and just telling the guy to fuck off. Instead she dug her own grave playing the race card when she knew she was being recorded.
Honest question here - I haven't seen the video. What was the extent of her racism? Was it only that she specified that the guy was African-American in the 911 call, or was there more to it? Without wishing to defend her actions, once she decided to call 911 was it not perfectly normal for her to include a basic description of the person who (in her mind) was harassing her?
She's frantically in a panicked state stating to 911 that an African American man is threatening her life and her dog.
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