How come people disagree about the 10 commandments?

First of all JWs are not Christian. They’re a heretical cult group which teach doctrines that massively divert from orthodox Christianity. They claim that Jesus was a created being, deny that He is fully divine and claim that He didn’t physically rise from the dead to list just a few.



First of all let’s define the trinity concept:

1) There is one God.
2) God is 3 co-existing eternal Persons.
3) And each Person is fully God.

Now the question is does the bible teach these 3 propositions?

Let’s see:

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!”
DEUTERONOMY 6:4

”Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”
ISAIAH 44:6

”“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.”
ISAIAH 43:10

So the first proposition? Check.


“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .”
MATTHEW 28:19

Notice Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 3 distinct Persons under ONE name.

Proposition 2? Check.

But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.
ISAIAH 64:8

“Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ”
TITUS 2:13

“But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet. But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.””
ACTS 5:1-4

So that’s the Father called God, Jesus called God and the Holy Spirit called God.

Proposition 3? Check.

That’s the trinity concept.

As for the trinity concept being invented in Rome. This just shows your ignorance. You should study it more.

You can start here: bible.org/article/trinity-triunity-god

God Himself is a mystery. Nobody can possibly understand the Almighty. Although the word "Trinity" is not mentioned in the Holy Bible, the 3 Persons Of the Trinity are mention, especially in St. Matthew chapter 28, verse 19. Christians believed that God Is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit before it got codified in the Nicene Creed. It wasn't just Rome. Greece believed it too, & you should know this, being a former Greek Orthodox.

How is it possible to logically distinguish between three, each of which is "fully" the same as one? 

Some principal philosophical and logical objections to the above can be found in detail here, EG:



This discussion will amuse most those who remember The Knights Who Go Ni.

If something is admitted as being 'not easy to understand' and 'a bit beyond our full comprehension' (which sounds like special pleading) then how can one be sure that one really knows what one is talking about, let alone that it makes logical sense? Neither Muslims, Jews and some other Christians believe in such a committee god. But, hey what do such infidels know?

Gamester, the entire scripture is arbitrary and there is no meaning to be found behind it other, other than bulls<>t and even that has more meaning.

So the idea of the Trinity seems illogical because we don't fully understand it, rather than us not understanding the Trinity because it is illogical? Got it. But the question that you haven't addressed is how one can know all this for sure if the whole thing is admitted as beyond full comprehension? The suspicion of special pleading remains.  In addition, an ignorance fallacy, or Appeal to Ignorance occurs when a person mistakenly believes something to be true that is not, because he or she does not know enough about the subject.

Or, it might all just teach us how difficult it is to reconcile the claims of theology with the reality of common sense and logic. And for someone who has admitted that these things are 'hard to understand' and 'beyond full comprehension' you appear to have a detailed grasp of what it is we need to know! Which bits of the above don't you understand exactly?

This implies you haven't relayed those bits of which you have less than a full grasp. Fair enough. But since I was critiquing those bits over which you are certain enough to state,  the argument that one cannot in the event know some things and thus be able to dispute them sensibly would not apply in those present instances.


But you just said you had 'a detailed grasp' of this very thing - enough to relay it. One does need to know everything about something to discover the logically impossible. For instance I need not be aware of the size and colour of a triangle declared to have four sides to know it cannot be as described. Or to take a famous example to realise that God can only create a rock He can lift.



Which is why I am surprised that someone who tells me they have a detailed grasp, enough for them to present, and presumably for us to trust, their understanding then also asks me to accept that in the event they actually lack full comprehension when that reasoning is analysed logically and found confused and wanting. You can see how this might look. One might make any astounding statement and then plead ignorance of how it could possibly be true.


Indeed; but unlike The Trinity, quantum mechanics is constantly being tested and theorised about and changing in the light of new ideas. Also, Christianity has had 2,000 years to get its theories clear and straight by now.