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Post by politicidal on May 27, 2020 19:35:09 GMT
I guess we'll see Pascal's face more often moving forward.
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"...According to Variety, the Hollywood Foreign Press revealed a new Golden Globes rule change going into effect. It stipulates that "voice-only performances are not eligible in any acting category." This alteration was brought about following confusion when debating The Mandalorian during last year's awards season. The key bit in the new rule is an actor's face has to be seen onscreen in order for them to qualify. If the actor is on-set, but masked for the entirety of their performance, then they are ineligible for the Golden Globe. It's worth mentioning Pascal was not nominated last year."
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Post by ThatGuy on May 28, 2020 22:18:04 GMT
Did they do it for a specific episode? Because his face was shown.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 29, 2020 21:48:47 GMT
Project title aside, an actor should qualify as long as he/she is in the costume. Was he?
This reminds me of when Andy Serkis was made ineligible for some award (I think it was the Oscars), just because his Gollum/Smeagol was a motion capture performance. Acting is acting regardless. Serkis' performance still involved facial expressions, Gollum's physicality, and voice (also his spit at one point haha).
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Post by ThatGuy on May 30, 2020 0:37:09 GMT
Project title aside, an actor should qualify as long as he/she is in the costume. Was he? This reminds me of when Andy Serkis was made ineligible for some award (I think it was the Oscars), just because his Gollum/Smeagol was a motion capture performance. Acting is acting regardless. Serkis' performance still involved facial expressions, Gollum's physicality, and voice (also his spit at one point haha). Wouldn't this make animated movies ineligible?
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Post by dazz on May 30, 2020 16:39:03 GMT
Project title aside, an actor should qualify as long as he/she is in the costume. Was he? This reminds me of when Andy Serkis was made ineligible for some award (I think it was the Oscars), just because his Gollum/Smeagol was a motion capture performance. Acting is acting regardless. Serkis' performance still involved facial expressions, Gollum's physicality, and voice (also his spit at one point haha). Wouldn't this make animated movies ineligible? When have animated films ever been eligible for best actor awards? best picture sure but that's a different thing entirely, do the GG have a best voice actor award? I think this should be something.
As for the face must be shown thing this is dumb, acting is about more than just facial expressions, great scared and frightened facial acting doesn't really work if your body language doesn't match, Pascal shouldn't have been up for acting awards due to him not actually playing the character a lot, he had doubles doing it, he just provided a voice for 99% of the show, so for that yeah he shouldn't be eligible for a best actor award imo, but the justification as to why is dumb as fuck imo.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 30, 2020 17:46:40 GMT
When have animated films ever been eligible for best actor awards? best picture sure but that's a different thing entirely, do the GG have a best voice actor award? I think this should be something.
As for the face must be shown thing this is dumb, acting is about more than just facial expressions, great scared and frightened facial acting doesn't really work if your body language doesn't match, Pascal shouldn't have been up for acting awards due to him not actually playing the character a lot, he had doubles doing it, he just provided a voice for 99% of the show, so for that yeah he shouldn't be eligible for a best actor award imo, but the justification as to why is dumb as fuck imo.
In the case of Serkis, it gets into interesting territory because it isn't just the voice he provided for Gollum. It's his voice but also his body that was used for the character's physicality. He didn't just go into a voice recording booth - he was actually on set with the other actors doing the character. When Gollum, the image moves in the movie, it was Serkis moving. It's Serkis' personality as Gollum/Smeagol that makes the character so compelling to audiences. Jackson also used Serkis' facial expressions for the character. It would be one thing if he just did the voice, and some people sitting around computers did the heavy lifting, but the Serkis version of Gollum we got was only possible with Serkis doing the character. His performance is unique. He should have been eligible like any other actor, not just some voice acting award.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 30, 2020 19:32:22 GMT
Wouldn't this make animated movies ineligible? When have animated films ever been eligible for best actor awards? best picture sure but that's a different thing entirely, do the GG have a best voice actor award? I think this should be something.
As for the face must be shown thing this is dumb, acting is about more than just facial expressions, great scared and frightened facial acting doesn't really work if your body language doesn't match, Pascal shouldn't have been up for acting awards due to him not actually playing the character a lot, he had doubles doing it, he just provided a voice for 99% of the show, so for that yeah he shouldn't be eligible for a best actor award imo, but the justification as to why is dumb as fuck imo.
Well then what about motion capture? You have stuff like Thanos, The Polar Express and A Christmas Carol. You have all these animated characters, but the actor is doing the facial movements for them.
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Post by dazz on May 30, 2020 19:59:11 GMT
When have animated films ever been eligible for best actor awards? best picture sure but that's a different thing entirely, do the GG have a best voice actor award? I think this should be something.
As for the face must be shown thing this is dumb, acting is about more than just facial expressions, great scared and frightened facial acting doesn't really work if your body language doesn't match, Pascal shouldn't have been up for acting awards due to him not actually playing the character a lot, he had doubles doing it, he just provided a voice for 99% of the show, so for that yeah he shouldn't be eligible for a best actor award imo, but the justification as to why is dumb as fuck imo.
Well then what about motion capture? You have stuff like Thanos, The Polar Express and A Christmas Carol. You have all these animated characters, but the actor is doing the facial movements for them. I think it requires it's own category and with how much it gets used now it's a viable category, motion capture I don't think quite works, performance capture however does, that's the one with the dots on the face not just the suit, so the actors full performance is part of the product, the animators just overlay the cgi on the performance, and it would be a joint award for the actor and the animators who worked on the character imo.
I thought you meant actual animated characters not performance capture characters.
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Post by dazz on May 30, 2020 20:04:51 GMT
When have animated films ever been eligible for best actor awards? best picture sure but that's a different thing entirely, do the GG have a best voice actor award? I think this should be something.
As for the face must be shown thing this is dumb, acting is about more than just facial expressions, great scared and frightened facial acting doesn't really work if your body language doesn't match, Pascal shouldn't have been up for acting awards due to him not actually playing the character a lot, he had doubles doing it, he just provided a voice for 99% of the show, so for that yeah he shouldn't be eligible for a best actor award imo, but the justification as to why is dumb as fuck imo.
In the case of Serkis, it gets into interesting territory because it isn't just the voice he provided for Gollum. It's his voice but also his body that was used for the character's physicality. He didn't just go into a voice recording booth - he was actually on set with the other actors doing the character. When Gollum, the image moves in the movie, it was Serkis moving. It's Serkis' personality as Gollum/Smeagol that makes the character so compelling to audiences. Jackson also used Serkis' facial expressions for the character. It would be one thing if he just did the voice, and some people sitting around computers did the heavy lifting, but the Serkis version of Gollum we got was only possible with Serkis doing the character. His performance is unique. He should have been eligible like any other actor, not just some voice acting award. But he isn't an animated character he's a CGI character they used performance capture to actually capture the acting Serkis did for the character, which is different to say performance inspired animation where the animators use a performers mannerisms during a recording session to influence their animation of the character, like Robin Williams as The Genie I think inspired a bunch of the characters antics and scenes due to his own behaviour and ad lobbing.
But performance capture should be an award imo, fuck name it the Serkis Award due to Andy Serkis' efforts and help in pioneering in this field, but like I said in the previous post I think it's one that would be shared with the people who do the CGI for the character along with the actual actors.
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Post by shinnickneth on May 30, 2020 22:42:25 GMT
But he isn't an animated character he's a CGI character they used performance capture to actually capture the acting Serkis did for the character, which is different to say performance inspired animation where the animators use a performers mannerisms during a recording session to influence their animation of the character, like Robin Williams as The Genie I think inspired a bunch of the characters antics and scenes due to his own behaviour and ad lobbing.
But performance capture should be an award imo, fuck name it the Serkis Award due to Andy Serkis' efforts and help in pioneering in this field, but like I said in the previous post I think it's one that would be shared with the people who do the CGI for the character along with the actual actors.
Right. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Gollum is certainly a computer generated image. They used Motion Capture. The same thing was used for Snoke & Maz Kanata in Disney Wars, Caesar in that Planet of the Apes remake, Joel & Ellie in The Last of Us, Avatar, etc. What I was saying (or trying to say) was just giving Serkis a nomination for a voice acting role wouldn't be fair of all he does. He did way more in the Lord of the Rings trilogy than just a voice. I definitely agree with you he helped pioneer something special. Before him, there really was only Ahmed Best as Jar Jar who paved the way.
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Post by dazz on May 30, 2020 23:02:03 GMT
But he isn't an animated character he's a CGI character they used performance capture to actually capture the acting Serkis did for the character, which is different to say performance inspired animation where the animators use a performers mannerisms during a recording session to influence their animation of the character, like Robin Williams as The Genie I think inspired a bunch of the characters antics and scenes due to his own behaviour and ad lobbing.
But performance capture should be an award imo, fuck name it the Serkis Award due to Andy Serkis' efforts and help in pioneering in this field, but like I said in the previous post I think it's one that would be shared with the people who do the CGI for the character along with the actual actors.
Right. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Gollum is certainly a computer generated image. They used Motion Capture. The same thing was used for Snoke & Maz Kanata in Disney Wars, Caesar in that Planet of the Apes remake, Joel & Ellie in The Last of Us, Avatar, etc. What I was saying (or trying to say) was just giving Serkis a nomination for a voice acting role wouldn't be fair of all he does. He did way more in the Lord of the Rings trilogy than just a voice. I definitely agree with you he helped pioneer something special. Before him, there really was only Ahmed Best as Jar Jar who paved the way. Well that's the thing motion capture doesn't really count imo because it is just using your body as a template and then the CGI guys do the rest, performance capture is a level beyond that and what Serkis was instrumental in creating, that captures the actors acting not just they general movements, and yeah for Serkis as Gollum and Caesar just going give em a voice acting award wouldn't be enough because he did embody those characters so much, but for something like The Mandalorian where it's Pascal just talking 99% of the time and other people doing the physical acting that's where I say a voice acting award should be acceptable because he isn't actually acting in the role for the majority of the time.
Overall I think the whole awards thing needs to be shaken up because it's so limited, where are the stunt awards, these people do some insanely difficult shit and get no love for it, then again I think this would just become the Tom Cruise award and further encourage him to do more and more insane shit which I don't think he needs the encouragement to do so tbh.
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