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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 15:12:25 GMT
Here's an idea: don't abide by what the ancient philosophers said. Their theories are outdated and impractical, anyway. Oh I don't know about that. Pythagoras theories are used even today, and Aristotle made the foundation for scientific studies by cataloging and made the first branches of science (a simplification, of course. Science as we know it didn't exist until the 1880'ies). He also invented logic. Well, I do know about that, and they are indeed very outdated. Also, no one invented logic. There were rational people before these guys.
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Post by The Lost One on Aug 2, 2017 15:27:59 GMT
Oh I don't know about that. Pythagoras theories are used even today, and Aristotle made the foundation for scientific studies by cataloging and made the first branches of science (a simplification, of course. Science as we know it didn't exist until the 1880'ies). He also invented logic. Well, I do know about that, and they are indeed very outdated. Also, no one invented logic. There were rational people before these guys. He came up with setting out arguments in the syllogistic form which was a big step in being able to assess the validity of arguments. But you're right in saying he didn't invent rationality.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Aug 3, 2017 10:02:24 GMT
If you are only thinking about something, what has that got to with honesty regarding your own subjective opinion? However, if your best friend asked you directly if you think they are ugly, then how would you be serving yourself by lying to them if you do feel they are ugly? If they don't like the response about what you really feel, well why did they ask? Or you could be more roundabout and tactful in answering with something like, well, you are not the most attractive looking person around but I've seen worse. Or, what I think of your looks is irrelevant regarding my friendship with you. If the friendship was solid and genuine and bound in trust, they would best appreciate and honor your honesty and virtue if asked. At any rate, being honest with a subjective opinion about something, may operate on a different level when you steal something that is not really yours for the taking. All that is telling us, is that we feel entitled to take something that wasn't given to us, or were meant to have if it wasn't exchanged in monetary barter or other form of exchange. That is just the way the world operates. If you feel worthy of whatever it is you want, yet don't or can't have, stealing is ultimately not going to give us the satisfaction and enjoyment that it would be if otherwise acquired by legitimate means. There is always going to be a consequence for this, even if it is just conscience stricken. That is how the universe operates. Act authentically and the rest will follow. Just saw this now. People aren't ideals. You'll have better relationships if you care about other people, their feelings, etc., despite the fact that they aren't ideals. I am not quite certain what your comment means about people not being ideals, based on my response to you. Acting "authentically" is an honest action and being genuine is an honest attribute, regardless of it being perceived as tact or not.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 7, 2017 0:25:11 GMT
I doubt Plato was a communist in the modern sense. He certainly would not have understood the concept of taking populations from one country and throwing them into another which is what modern communism seems to advocate.
Here he also seems to voicing the vegetarian simplicity position which Percy Shelley repeated in the 19th century. It also suggests not only the conflict created by tribalism but technological complexity which I think goes hand in had these days:
Plato Republic book 2
Socrates: Will not tutors be also in request, and nurses wet and dry, tirewomen and barbers, as well as confectioners and cooks; and swineherds, too, who were not needed and therefore had no place in the former edition of our State, but are needed now? They must not be forgotten: and there will be animals of many other kinds, if people eat them.
Glaucon: Certainly.
S: And living in this way we shall have much greater need of physicians than before?
G: Much greater.
S: And the country which was enough to support the original inhabitants will be too small now, and not enough?
G: Quite true.
S: Then a slice of our neighbours' land will be wanted by us for pasture and tillage, and they will want a slice of ours, if, like ourselves, they exceed the limit of necessity, and give themselves up to the unlimited accumulation of wealth?
G: That, Socrates, will be inevitable.
S: And so we shall go to war, Glaucon. Shall we not?
G: Most certainly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 22:36:12 GMT
Sometimes it is.
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