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Post by hehatesshe on Jun 9, 2020 1:45:26 GMT
I don't agree. First of all, BLM is strangely silent whenever violence breaks out, when they sponser a protest whenever the latest black criminal gets killed --- justifiably or unjustifiably. Leads one to believe they would never condone violence publically. But on the inside they are cheering, "Yeah, score one for the good guys !!!"Secondly, the country is not going up in flames. This is America. It's history is fraught with controversy, adversary, and even violence. This is the way we get things done. It always has been. You and I will still be around talking about sports when this latest issue settles down --- waiting on the next issue. There is literally nothing to suggest this is the truth. You just want to believe this is true. And yes US history is filled with social unrest, but I can't remember a sitting president inviting it, seemingly hoping for it the way Trump appears to be.
You and I as white guys have the luxury of waiting out the storm of civil unrest. Others don't, therein lies the problem and hence the protests you haven't begun to understand.
You know what concerns me? The election. If Trump wins, the same people who are rioting now will riot again, only worse. What will Trump do as a response? If Trump loses, will he cede power gracefully? Look at his track record. The man who said the election he ended up winning was rigged. The man who railed on witnesses to his own impeachment trial as it was happening. The man telling his followers in battleground states to ignore the social distancing guidelines his own administration endorsed and encouraged them to protest. Is it entirely unrealistic that should he lose the election, he tweets something along the lines of, "CORRUPT, RIGGED SYSTEM! REAL AMERICANS NEED TO TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY!!!" An ambiguous yet incredibly hostile statement to a base that was already prepared for 'Civil War' had he lost the first time. What happens then? You think a statehouse or two might get stormed by the guys with Molon Labe bumper stickers?
Nothing is off the table with this guy. Morally, there is no bottom, nothing he won't do to rile up his base and piss off the left, hoping for a radical response he can point to and place blame, much like you're doing with BLM. And where does the Republican Party go from here? The lesson they've learned is that this type of shit is what their constituents want. The heir to the party has to top this sideshow to remain relevant? Holy shit.
America needs to find a common ground before it's too late. A second Trump term is too much for the nation to bear, but the damage has already been done, socially and politically. Time will tell if we can dig ourselves out of this mess, but we need to start now.
I hadn't considered that... I don't think we'll see another Romney, McCain, or Bush win the primary. Now lots of conservatives will say "good!" but those same people were cheering for and voting for and defending these three while they were running/in office. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 9, 2020 14:58:33 GMT
I don't agree. First of all, BLM is strangely silent whenever violence breaks out, when they sponser a protest whenever the latest black criminal gets killed --- justifiably or unjustifiably. Leads one to believe they would never condone violence publically. But on the inside they are cheering, "Yeah, score one for the good guys !!!"Secondly, the country is not going up in flames. This is America. It's history is fraught with controversy, adversary, and even violence. This is the way we get things done. It always has been. You and I will still be around talking about sports when this latest issue settles down --- waiting on the next issue. There is literally nothing to suggest this is the truth. You just want to believe this is true. And yes US history is filled with social unrest, but I can't remember a sitting president inviting it, seemingly hoping for it the way Trump appears to be.
You and I as white guys have the luxury of waiting out the storm of civil unrest. Others don't, therein lies the problem and hence the protests you haven't begun to understand.
You know what concerns me? The election. If Trump wins, the same people who are rioting now will riot again, only worse. What will Trump do as a response? If Trump loses, will he cede power gracefully? Look at his track record. The man who said the election he ended up winning was rigged. The man who railed on witnesses to his own impeachment trial as it was happening. The man telling his followers in battleground states to ignore the social distancing guidelines his own administration endorsed and encouraged them to protest. Is it entirely unrealistic that should he lose the election, he tweets something along the lines of, "CORRUPT, RIGGED SYSTEM! REAL AMERICANS NEED TO TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY!!!" An ambiguous yet incredibly hostile statement to a base that was already prepared for 'Civil War' had he lost the first time. What happens then? You think a statehouse or two might get stormed by the guys with Molon Labe bumper stickers?
Nothing is off the table with this guy. Morally, there is no bottom, nothing he won't do to rile up his base and piss off the left, hoping for a radical response he can point to and place blame, much like you're doing with BLM. And where does the Republican Party go from here? The lesson they've learned is that this type of shit is what their constituents want. The heir to the party has to top this sideshow to remain relevant? Holy shit.
America needs to find a common ground before it's too late. A second Trump term is too much for the nation to bear, but the damage has already been done, socially and politically. Time will tell if we can dig ourselves out of this mess, but we need to start now.
Everyone of the poster children for BLM were criminals committing crime when they were killed. So saying only you and I have the luxury of sitting things out is wrong. The police aren't killing law abiding black people. Just criminals. So law abiding black people --- as always --- can afford to sit things out also. I don't think Trump is the threat you think he is. He didn't win the last election by fraud. He got the most electoral college votes. That is the way presidents have been winning elections since the beginning of this country. Still most Democrats don't like him. And we agree most Republicans don't like him. And I don't think the police or military likes him either. So if he loses the next election, he'll be forced out. If he even refuses to leave. As far as the trouble he's provoking, it's the people who decide to be provoked who are the threat. Not Donald Trump. If the KKK or white supremacists or Antifa or the boogaloo is a threat, best we deal with them directly. Than just saying "Nobody really knows". Quite frankly, I think they are just lunatic fringe groups. Not major movements. Not to say they aren't a threat. But you and I know, there always have been threats out there. Bottomline, a war between Trump supporters or lunatic fringe groups may not be pleasant. But it won't be as bad as the Civil War, WWI, WWII, or even the civil rights struggles of the 60s. This is life. Always has been. All throughout human history, violence and threats to peace have broken out. And I think whatever happens because of Trump, will pale in comparison to past violent outbreaks of the U.S. history. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 9, 2020 15:14:05 GMT
There is literally nothing to suggest this is the truth. You just want to believe this is true. And yes US history is filled with social unrest, but I can't remember a sitting president inviting it, seemingly hoping for it the way Trump appears to be.
You and I as white guys have the luxury of waiting out the storm of civil unrest. Others don't, therein lies the problem and hence the protests you haven't begun to understand.
You know what concerns me? The election. If Trump wins, the same people who are rioting now will riot again, only worse. What will Trump do as a response? If Trump loses, will he cede power gracefully? Look at his track record. The man who said the election he ended up winning was rigged. The man who railed on witnesses to his own impeachment trial as it was happening. The man telling his followers in battleground states to ignore the social distancing guidelines his own administration endorsed and encouraged them to protest. Is it entirely unrealistic that should he lose the election, he tweets something along the lines of, "CORRUPT, RIGGED SYSTEM! REAL AMERICANS NEED TO TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY!!!" An ambiguous yet incredibly hostile statement to a base that was already prepared for 'Civil War' had he lost the first time. What happens then? You think a statehouse or two might get stormed by the guys with Molon Labe bumper stickers?
Nothing is off the table with this guy. Morally, there is no bottom, nothing he won't do to rile up his base and piss off the left, hoping for a radical response he can point to and place blame, much like you're doing with BLM. And where does the Republican Party go from here? The lesson they've learned is that this type of shit is what their constituents want. The heir to the party has to top this sideshow to remain relevant? Holy shit.
America needs to find a common ground before it's too late. A second Trump term is too much for the nation to bear, but the damage has already been done, socially and politically. Time will tell if we can dig ourselves out of this mess, but we need to start now.
Everyone of the poster children for BLM were criminals committing crime when they were killed. So saying only you and I have the luxury of sitting things out is wrong. The police aren't killing law abiding black people. Just criminals. So law abidibg black people --- as always --- can afford to sit things out also. I don't think Trump is the threat you think he is. He didn't win the last election by fraud. He got the most electoral college votes. That is the way presidents have been winning elections since the beginning of this country. Still most Democrats don't like him. And we agree most Republicans don't like him either. And I don't think the police or military likes him either. So if he loses the next election, he'll be forced out. If he even refuses to leave. As far as the trouble he's provoking, it's the people who decide to be provoked who are the threat. Not Donald Trump. If the KKK or white supremacists or Antifa or the boogaloo is a threat, best we deal with them directly. Than just saying "Nobody really knows". Quite frankly, I think they are just lunatic fringe groups. Not major movements. Not to say they aren't a threat. But you and I know, there always have been threats out there. Bottomline, a war between Trump supporters or lunatic fringe groups may not be pleasant. But it won't be as bad as the Civil War, WWI, WWII, or even the civil rights struggles of the 60s. This is life. Always has been. All throughout human history, violence and threats to peace have broken out. And I think whatever happens because of Trump, will pale in comparison to past violent outbreaks of the U.S. history. This is a rambling mess. I didn't say Trump won by fraud, you're arguing nothing. A war between Trump supporters and sane humans should be avoided at all costs. No shit it won't be as bad as WWII. Is that the bar for you? Zero riots one way or the other is the ideal outcome. George Floyd was accused of passing a counterfeit bill and went peacefully with police. He was executed in the street like an animal, and your insistence on referring to him solely as a 'criminal' reveals your bias. Honestly the entire conversation reveals your bias, I'm only entertaining this conversation so anyone reading this, who may not understand, has a better grasp of the situation. You're just stirring the pot, as always. It's lame when you pull this in football threads; it's downright tragic when you try to weigh in on human rights. I get it, you're empty inside, you need attention to fill the void. Just try a little harder to come up with some witty banter. Later. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 9, 2020 15:44:16 GMT
There is literally nothing to suggest this is the truth. You just want to believe this is true. And yes US history is filled with social unrest, but I can't remember a sitting president inviting it, seemingly hoping for it the way Trump appears to be.
You and I as white guys have the luxury of waiting out the storm of civil unrest. Others don't, therein lies the problem and hence the protests you haven't begun to understand.
You know what concerns me? The election. If Trump wins, the same people who are rioting now will riot again, only worse. What will Trump do as a response? If Trump loses, will he cede power gracefully? Look at his track record. The man who said the election he ended up winning was rigged. The man who railed on witnesses to his own impeachment trial as it was happening. The man telling his followers in battleground states to ignore the social distancing guidelines his own administration endorsed and encouraged them to protest. Is it entirely unrealistic that should he lose the election, he tweets something along the lines of, "CORRUPT, RIGGED SYSTEM! REAL AMERICANS NEED TO TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY!!!" An ambiguous yet incredibly hostile statement to a base that was already prepared for 'Civil War' had he lost the first time. What happens then? You think a statehouse or two might get stormed by the guys with Molon Labe bumper stickers?
Nothing is off the table with this guy. Morally, there is no bottom, nothing he won't do to rile up his base and piss off the left, hoping for a radical response he can point to and place blame, much like you're doing with BLM. And where does the Republican Party go from here? The lesson they've learned is that this type of shit is what their constituents want. The heir to the party has to top this sideshow to remain relevant? Holy shit.
America needs to find a common ground before it's too late. A second Trump term is too much for the nation to bear, but the damage has already been done, socially and politically. Time will tell if we can dig ourselves out of this mess, but we need to start now.
Everyone of the poster children for BLM were criminals committing crime when they were killed. So saying only you and I have the luxury of sitting things out is wrong. The police aren't killing law abiding black people. Just criminals. So law abiding black people --- as always --- can afford to sit things out also. Even if that were true (and it isn't), the Constitution has a thing or two to say about that. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 9, 2020 15:47:11 GMT
Everyone of the poster children for BLM were criminals committing crime when they were killed. So saying only you and I have the luxury of sitting things out is wrong. The police aren't killing law abiding black people. Just criminals. So law abidibg black people --- as always --- can afford to sit things out also. I don't think Trump is the threat you think he is. He didn't win the last election by fraud. He got the most electoral college votes. That is the way presidents have been winning elections since the beginning of this country. Still most Democrats don't like him. And we agree most Republicans don't like him either. And I don't think the police or military likes him either. So if he loses the next election, he'll be forced out. If he even refuses to leave. As far as the trouble he's provoking, it's the people who decide to be provoked who are the threat. Not Donald Trump. If the KKK or white supremacists or Antifa or the boogaloo is a threat, best we deal with them directly. Than just saying "Nobody really knows". Quite frankly, I think they are just lunatic fringe groups. Not major movements. Not to say they aren't a threat. But you and I know, there always have been threats out there. Bottomline, a war between Trump supporters or lunatic fringe groups may not be pleasant. But it won't be as bad as the Civil War, WWI, WWII, or even the civil rights struggles of the 60s. This is life. Always has been. All throughout human history, violence and threats to peace have broken out. And I think whatever happens because of Trump, will pale in comparison to past violent outbreaks of the U.S. history. This is a rambling mess. I didn't say Trump won by fraud, you're arguing nothing. A war between Trump supporters and sane humans should be avoided at all costs. No shit it won't be as bad as WWII. Is that the bar for you? Zero riots one way or the other is the ideal outcome. George Floyd was accused of passing a counterfeit bill and went peacefully with police. He was executed in the street like an animal, and your insistence on referring to him solely as a 'criminal' reveals your bias. Honestly the entire conversation reveals your bias, I'm only entertaining this conversation so anyone reading this, who may not understand, has a better grasp of the situation. You're just stirring the pot, as always. It's lame when you pull this in football threads; it's downright tragic when you try to weigh in on human rights. I get it, you're empty inside, you need attention to fill the void. Just try a little harder to come up with some witty banter. Later. George Floyd was a violent convicted felon. He supposedly moved to Minneapolis for a fresh start. A fresh start at what? A new criminal career? He was immediately arrested for trying to pass a fake counterfeit 20 dollar bill. No, he didn't deserve to die. But Derek Chauvin has been arrested and charged. What else do you want? My point is even if cops are racist, they are no threat to law abiding black people. Black Lives Matter is a terrorist hate group. Advocating for criminals. Disguised as fighting against racism. They don't help black people. They hurt them advocating for the very group that victimizes black people the most --- black criminals. Sorry if you can't handle the truth. But that's your problem. Not mine. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 9, 2020 16:19:00 GMT
This is a rambling mess. I didn't say Trump won by fraud, you're arguing nothing. A war between Trump supporters and sane humans should be avoided at all costs. No shit it won't be as bad as WWII. Is that the bar for you? Zero riots one way or the other is the ideal outcome. George Floyd was accused of passing a counterfeit bill and went peacefully with police. He was executed in the street like an animal, and your insistence on referring to him solely as a 'criminal' reveals your bias. Honestly the entire conversation reveals your bias, I'm only entertaining this conversation so anyone reading this, who may not understand, has a better grasp of the situation. You're just stirring the pot, as always. It's lame when you pull this in football threads; it's downright tragic when you try to weigh in on human rights. I get it, you're empty inside, you need attention to fill the void. Just try a little harder to come up with some witty banter. Later. George Floyd was a violent convicted felon. He supposedly moved to Minneapolis for a fresh start. A fresh start at what? A new criminal career? He was immediately arrested for trying to pass a fake counterfeit 20 dollar bill. No, he didn't deserve to die. But Derek Chauvin has been arrested and charged. What else do you want? My point is even if cops are racist, they are no threat to law abiding black people. Black Lives Matter is a terrorist hate group. Advocating for criminals. Disguised as fighting against racism. They don't help black people. They hurt them advocating for the very group that victimizes black people the most --- black criminals. Sorry if you can't handle the truth. But that's your problem. Not mine. I can’t figure out if you’re just trolling or you legitimately believe the ridiculous nonsense that you write. Since when in this country does being a law-abiding black person ever truly mattered? Is your google broken? Are you unable to find any of the literally thousands of examples of disproportionate policing of blacks vs whites? No one on any side of the fence thinks Floyd was an angel. But try and envision the reaction you would get from a cop for passing a counterfeit $20. I guarantee it wouldn’t be a death sentence. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 9, 2020 16:28:33 GMT
George Floyd was a violent convicted felon. He supposedly moved to Minneapolis for a fresh start. A fresh start at what? A new criminal career? He was immediately arrested for trying to pass a fake counterfeit 20 dollar bill. No, he didn't deserve to die. But Derek Chauvin has been arrested and charged. What else do you want? My point is even if cops are racist, they are no threat to law abiding black people. Black Lives Matter is a terrorist hate group. Advocating for criminals. Disguised as fighting against racism. They don't help black people. They hurt them advocating for the very group that victimizes black people the most --- black criminals. Sorry if you can't handle the truth. But that's your problem. Not mine. I can’t figure out if you’re just trolling or you legitimately believe the ridiculous nonsense that you write. Since when in this country does being a law-abiding black person ever truly mattered? Is your google broken? Are you unable to find any of the literally thousands of examples of disproportionate policing of blacks vs whites? No one on any side of the fence thinks Floyd was an angel. But try and envision the reaction you would get from a cop for passing a counterfeit $20. I guarantee it wouldn’t be a death sentence. George Floyd was murdered. Derek Chauvin killed him. I know you can't see straight because you're a lemming being led by the pied piper BLM. But in case you didn't notice, we agree. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 9, 2020 16:33:22 GMT
George Floyd was a violent convicted felon. He supposedly moved to Minneapolis for a fresh start. A fresh start at what? A new criminal career? He was immediately arrested for trying to pass a fake counterfeit 20 dollar bill. No, he didn't deserve to die. But Derek Chauvin has been arrested and charged. What else do you want? My point is even if cops are racist, they are no threat to law abiding black people. Black Lives Matter is a terrorist hate group. Advocating for criminals. Disguised as fighting against racism. They don't help black people. They hurt them advocating for the very group that victimizes black people the most --- black criminals. Sorry if you can't handle the truth. But that's your problem. Not mine. I can’t figure out if you’re just trolling or you legitimately believe the ridiculous nonsense that you write. Since when in this country does being a law-abiding black person ever truly mattered? Is your google broken? Are you unable to find any of the literally thousands of examples of disproportionate policing of blacks vs whites? No one on any side of the fence thinks Floyd was an angel. But try and envision the reaction you would get from a cop for passing a counterfeit $20. I guarantee it wouldn’t be a death sentence. He's trolling. He does the same thing in football threads. He repeats the same nonsense over and over again and pretends not to understand what you're talking about. It's the same shtick as DC Fan. Pretend to be a moron and keep the conversation going in circles as long as you can. Once he realizes he isn't making you angry the way he hoped, his posts get shorter, dumber, and more antagonizing. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 10, 2020 15:17:40 GMT
I can’t figure out if you’re just trolling or you legitimately believe the ridiculous nonsense that you write. Since when in this country does being a law-abiding black person ever truly mattered? Is your google broken? Are you unable to find any of the literally thousands of examples of disproportionate policing of blacks vs whites? No one on any side of the fence thinks Floyd was an angel. But try and envision the reaction you would get from a cop for passing a counterfeit $20. I guarantee it wouldn’t be a death sentence. He's trolling. He does the same thing in football threads. He repeats the same nonsense over and over again and pretends not to understand what you're talking about. It's the same shtick as DC Fan. Pretend to be a moron and keep the conversation going in circles as long as you can. Once he realizes he isn't making you angry the way he hoped, his posts get shorter, dumber, and more antagonizing. No Rey, I'm not trolling. You don't know what trolling is. "Trolling is when somone "disingenuiously" causes trouble for the sake of causing trouble."If you look through my posting history, this has been my consistent position on this issue for years. So no, I'm not trolling. Just because somebody has an opinion you don't agree with, doesn't mean a person is trolling. You don't know what trolling is. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 10, 2020 16:53:40 GMT
He's trolling. He does the same thing in football threads. He repeats the same nonsense over and over again and pretends not to understand what you're talking about. It's the same shtick as DC Fan. Pretend to be a moron and keep the conversation going in circles as long as you can. Once he realizes he isn't making you angry the way he hoped, his posts get shorter, dumber, and more antagonizing. No Rey, I'm not trolling. You don't know what trolling is. "Trolling is when somone "disingenuiously" causes trouble for the sake of causing trouble."If you look through my posting history, this has been my consistent position on this issue for years. So no, I'm not trolling. Just because somebody has an opinion you don't agree with, doesn't mean a person is trolling. You don't know what trolling is. It’s possible to be consistently disingenuous. You don’t know what trolling is. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 10, 2020 16:56:41 GMT
No Rey, I'm not trolling. You don't know what trolling is. "Trolling is when somone "disingenuiously" causes trouble for the sake of causing trouble."If you look through my posting history, this has been my consistent position on this issue for years. So no, I'm not trolling. Just because somebody has an opinion you don't agree with, doesn't mean a person is trolling. You don't know what trolling is. It’s possible to be consistently disingenuous. You don’t know what trolling is. It's also possible I could be an alien from outer space. But highly unlikely. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 10, 2020 17:00:00 GMT
It’s possible to be consistently disingenuous. You don’t know what trolling is. It's also possible I could be an alien from outer space. But highly unlikely. The existence of DC-fan immediately disproves your notion of what trolling is. He was consistent. He was disingenuous. |
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Post by stickman38 on Jun 10, 2020 17:07:22 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Jun 10, 2020 17:31:09 GMT
It's also possible I could be an alien from outer space. But highly unlikely. The existence of DC-fan immediately disproves your notion of what trolling is. He was consistent. He was disingenuous. I think this DC-fan came and went before I became active on the Sports board. Or I've never had the pleasure of talking with him. Although he seems to be popular or infamous, I'm not familiar with him. |
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Post by stickman38 on Jun 10, 2020 17:54:53 GMT
let me try the link again.. didn't seem to work earlier....
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Post by movieliker on Jun 10, 2020 18:12:47 GMT
let me try the link again.. didn't seem to work earlier.... He's just saying what I always felt. You ought to post this on the Politics board. |
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Post by stickman38 on Jun 10, 2020 18:23:56 GMT
let me try the link again.. didn't seem to work earlier.... He's just saying what I always felt. You ought to post this on the Politics board.
I might post it over there but I just wanted to get the sports forum opinions...
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Post by movieliker on Jun 10, 2020 18:26:03 GMT
He's just saying what I always felt. You ought to post this on the Politics board. I might post it over there but I just wanted to get the sports forum opinions...
I hope you don't mind. I posted it over there already. I'll go back and give you credit if you want. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Jun 11, 2020 6:11:12 GMT
let me try the link again.. didn't seem to work earlier.... That would be the minority's minority opinion. When I want to hear a black person rant about how black people are not oppressed and disadvantaged, I prefer to hear it while looking at Candice Owens. 90% of black people would disagree with that. But again, kneeling during the National Anthem in protest on behalf of the by far prevalent opinion is not disrespectful to the troops who fight, fought and died for the freedom the flag is supposed to represent. That's like saying people who boycott a company like chick-fil-a are disrespecting the hard working chicken farmers of America. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 11, 2020 6:14:59 GMT
I don't have an opinion on right or wrong. But I know it was pretty horrible time to make such a statement as Drew did. Anyway, he seems like a good person who probably contributes a lot to society through charities. Don't think he will be remembered for this statement after many years.
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