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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 11, 2020 15:21:35 GMT
That's the bottomline. And that's why I laugh when I see these black ladies crying, "George Floyd could be my son." Which provokes the understandable response, "Why? Is your son a criminal?" I think it's inexcusable what happened to the man.
The justice system is dealing with it.
That being said scrolling through your posts - I completely agree - this man was no saint - burglarized a women's living quarters and held a gun to her stomach while she was pregnant. That is human scum. Does it excuse the way the police handled the situation? Absolutely not; however it's flat out laughable how this man is being portrayed as a patron saint - when the fact of the matter is the man was filth.
No man should have to go through what Floyd went through - it was horrific - but the tributes, painted murals, etc acting like this man should have won the Nobel Peace Prize is absolutely nauseating beyond belief.
I also find it laughable all of the extremists out there (I see Ned deleted his account again) that act as if this is regular behavior by the police.
Unfortunately we have to deal with circumstances like this in life - i.e. one bad apple can ruin the reputation of the bunch - the thought process I'm listening to on the news of abolishing the police departments is just mind boggling to me - I feel as if I live on Mars.
Abolish the police? I feel as if I'm living in a dream world right now with all of these loons out there.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 11, 2020 15:31:48 GMT
You've seen the video, yeah? How much of the 8 minutes 46 seconds Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck would you estimate Floyd was resisting arrest? With all due respect Rey, you must have reading comprehension issues. If there was resisting arrest, it happened in the police car prompting them to pull him back out.Them fighting with him in the police car is on video also. Have you seen that one? Yes, and I'll ask again (since my point went over your head. Again.). How much of the 8 minutes 46 seconds Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck would you estimate Floyd was resisting arrest? Whatever happened in the car is irrelevant, I don't care if he pulled an AK-47 out of his ass. Floyd is unarmed, pinned to the ground, in cuffs, begging for his life. So let's get this clear: You're saying that was the necessary amount of force for the duration of that situation because of whatever happened in the car? |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 11, 2020 15:32:34 GMT
That's the bottomline. And that's why I laugh when I see these black ladies crying, "George Floyd could be my son." Which provokes the understandable response, "Why? Is your son a criminal?" I think it's inexcusable what happened to the man.
The justice system is dealing with it.
That being said scrolling through your posts - I completely agree - this man was no saint - burglarized a women's living quarters and held a gun to her stomach while she was pregnant. That is human scum. Does it excuse the way the police handled the situation? Absolutely not; however it's flat out laughable how this man is being portrayed as a patron saint - when the fact of the matter is the man was filth.
No man should have to go through what Floyd went through - it was horrific - but the tributes, painted murals, etc acting like this man should have won the Nobel Peace Prize is absolutely nauseating beyond belief.
I also find it laughable all of the extremists out there (I see Ned deleted his account again) that act as if this is regular behavior by the police.
Unfortunately we have to deal with circumstances like this in life - i.e. one bad apple can ruin the reputation of the bunch - the thought process I'm listening to on the news of abolishing the police departments is just mind boggling to me - I feel as if I live on Mars.
Abolish the police? I feel as if I'm living in a dream world right now with all of these loons out there. That's the complication many seem to be having trouble with. Yes, Derek Chauvin seems guilty of murder. But George Floyd never would have been there if he was law abiding. Just because Derek Chauvin is a murderer, doesn't automatically mean George Floyd was a saint. And if George Floyd was a career criminal, doesn't mean Derek Chauvin is innocent. This is a characteristic of "Absolute Thought". Simple minds can only see two extremes. There is no middle ground with them. Here is another fact that may blow klawrencio's and Reykahuka's minds --- Both Dereck Chauvin and George Floyd were bad people. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 11, 2020 15:37:22 GMT
I think it's inexcusable what happened to the man.
The justice system is dealing with it.
That being said scrolling through your posts - I completely agree - this man was no saint - burglarized a women's living quarters and held a gun to her stomach while she was pregnant. That is human scum. Does it excuse the way the police handled the situation? Absolutely not; however it's flat out laughable how this man is being portrayed as a patron saint - when the fact of the matter is the man was filth.
No man should have to go through what Floyd went through - it was horrific - but the tributes, painted murals, etc acting like this man should have won the Nobel Peace Prize is absolutely nauseating beyond belief.
I also find it laughable all of the extremists out there (I see Ned deleted his account again) that act as if this is regular behavior by the police.
Unfortunately we have to deal with circumstances like this in life - i.e. one bad apple can ruin the reputation of the bunch - the thought process I'm listening to on the news of abolishing the police departments is just mind boggling to me - I feel as if I live on Mars.
Abolish the police? I feel as if I'm living in a dream world right now with all of these loons out there. That's the complication many seem to be having trouble with. Yes, Derek Chauvin seems guilty of murder. But George Floyd never would have been there if he was law abiding. Just because Derek Chauvin is a murderer, doesn't automatically mean George Floyd was a saint. And if George Floyd was a career criminal, doesn't mean Derek Chauvin is innocent. This is a characteristic of "Absolute Thought". Simple minds can only see two extremes. There is no middle ground with them. Here is another fact that may blow klawrencio's and Reykahuka's minds --- Both Dereck Chauvin and George Floyd were bad people. This is all goalpost moving and none of it really has anything to do with the protests, or what your argument was an hour earlier. Good try though. Those of us who can read, despite your protestations, see right through this. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 11, 2020 15:40:11 GMT
I think it's inexcusable what happened to the man.
The justice system is dealing with it.
That being said scrolling through your posts - I completely agree - this man was no saint - burglarized a women's living quarters and held a gun to her stomach while she was pregnant. That is human scum. Does it excuse the way the police handled the situation? Absolutely not; however it's flat out laughable how this man is being portrayed as a patron saint - when the fact of the matter is the man was filth.
No man should have to go through what Floyd went through - it was horrific - but the tributes, painted murals, etc acting like this man should have won the Nobel Peace Prize is absolutely nauseating beyond belief.
I also find it laughable all of the extremists out there (I see Ned deleted his account again) that act as if this is regular behavior by the police.
Unfortunately we have to deal with circumstances like this in life - i.e. one bad apple can ruin the reputation of the bunch - the thought process I'm listening to on the news of abolishing the police departments is just mind boggling to me - I feel as if I live on Mars.
Abolish the police? I feel as if I'm living in a dream world right now with all of these loons out there. That's the complication many seem to be having trouble with. Yes, Derek Chauvin seems guilty of murder. But George Floyd never would have been there if he was law abiding. Just because Derek Chauvin is a murderer, doesn't automatically mean George Floyd was a saint. And if George Floyd was a career criminal, doesn't mean Derek Chauvin is innocent. This is a characteristic of "Absolute Thought". Simple minds can only see two extremes. There is no middle ground with them. Here is another fact that may blow klawrencio's and Reykahuka's minds --- Both Dereck Chauvin and George Floyd are bad people. Nobody here is having that argument, it's all in your head. I don't know what took you down that road. I didn't paint a mural of George Floyd or profess he was a saint. I merely pointed out his rights were trampled and he was murdered in front of a crowd for no reason at all. (Now we can circle back to your, "He was killed because he resisted arrest, which makes sense to me," argument.) |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 11, 2020 15:41:13 GMT
I think it's inexcusable what happened to the man.
The justice system is dealing with it.
That being said scrolling through your posts - I completely agree - this man was no saint - burglarized a women's living quarters and held a gun to her stomach while she was pregnant. That is human scum. Does it excuse the way the police handled the situation? Absolutely not; however it's flat out laughable how this man is being portrayed as a patron saint - when the fact of the matter is the man was filth.
No man should have to go through what Floyd went through - it was horrific - but the tributes, painted murals, etc acting like this man should have won the Nobel Peace Prize is absolutely nauseating beyond belief.
I also find it laughable all of the extremists out there (I see Ned deleted his account again) that act as if this is regular behavior by the police.
Unfortunately we have to deal with circumstances like this in life - i.e. one bad apple can ruin the reputation of the bunch - the thought process I'm listening to on the news of abolishing the police departments is just mind boggling to me - I feel as if I live on Mars.
Abolish the police? I feel as if I'm living in a dream world right now with all of these loons out there. That's the complication many seem to be having trouble with. Yes, Derek Chauvin seems guilty of murder. But George Floyd never would have been there if he was law abiding. Just because Derek Chauvin is a murderer, doesn't automatically mean George Floyd was a saint. And if George Floyd was a career criminal, doesn't mean Derek Chauvin is innocent. This is a characteristic of "Absolute Thought". Simple minds can only see two extremes. There is no middle ground with them. Here is another fact that may blow klawrencio's and Reykahuka's minds --- Both Dereck Chauvin and George Floyd were bad people. I know full well I'm in the minority.
And I'm sure this has probably been discussed here - haven't been around that much for the last couple of weeks -
But again - I feel as if I live on Mars listening/reading others opinions on this whole matter - and to each their own.
I'm sure you've seen the video of the old man who was protesting and cracked his skull on the concrete and was bleeding.
I am in utter shock and disbelief all of the people defending that old man.
First of all - the man - albeit old looked like a very tall human being - how were the cops supposed to know he was in his 70s.
HE confronted the cops. Looked as if he was going for their midsection where they hold their guns. HE started the confrontation.
What world is it OK to approach the police like this - especially during a time of high tension/chaos.
The man could have had severe mental problems for all the cops know and could have been reaching for their guns.
I cannot believe all of the people defending this old loon.
The cops did the right thing - pushed him back - unfortunately the man fell and cracked his head open. Guess what? He should not have confronted the police like that. It was his fault. Yet - I'm in awe and shock how I'm in the minority defending the police.
But so be it. Rant over.
Just feel like I live on Mars.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 11, 2020 15:41:34 GMT
That's the complication many seem to be having trouble with. Yes, Derek Chauvin seems guilty of murder. But George Floyd never would have been there if he was law abiding. Just because Derek Chauvin is a murderer, doesn't automatically mean George Floyd was a saint. And if George Floyd was a career criminal, doesn't mean Derek Chauvin is innocent. This is a characteristic of "Absolute Thought". Simple minds can only see two extremes. There is no middle ground with them. Here is another fact that may blow klawrencio's and Reykahuka's minds --- Both Dereck Chauvin and George Floyd were bad people. This is all goalpost moving and none of it really has anything to do with the protests, or what your argument was an hour earlier. Good try though. Those of us who can read, despite your protestations, see right through this. It has everything to do with the protests. They say black lives matter. The best way to save black lives is to tell black people to follow the law. Not cry about what happens to them after they get caught breaking the law. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 11, 2020 15:50:42 GMT
That's the complication many seem to be having trouble with. Yes, Derek Chauvin seems guilty of murder. But George Floyd never would have been there if he was law abiding. Just because Derek Chauvin is a murderer, doesn't automatically mean George Floyd was a saint. And if George Floyd was a career criminal, doesn't mean Derek Chauvin is innocent. This is a characteristic of "Absolute Thought". Simple minds can only see two extremes. There is no middle ground with them. Here is another fact that may blow klawrencio's and Reykahuka's minds --- Both Dereck Chauvin and George Floyd were bad people. I know full well I'm in the minority.
And I'm sure this has probably been discussed here - haven't been around that much for the last couple of weeks -
But again - I feel as if I live on Mars listening/reading others opinions on this whole matter - and to each their own.
I'm sure you've seen the video of the old man who was protesting and cracked his skull on the concrete and was bleeding.
I am in utter shock and disbelief all of the people defending that old man.
First of all - the man - albeit old looked like a very tall human being - how were the cops supposed to know he was in his 70s.
HE confronted the cops. Looked as if he was going for their midsection where they hold their guns. HE started the confrontation.
What world is it OK to approach the police like this - especially during a time of high tension/chaos.
The man could have had severe mental problems for all the cops know and could have been reaching for their guns.
I cannot believe all of the people defending this old loon.
The cops did the right thing - pushed him back - unfortunately the man fell and cracked his head open. Guess what? He should not have confronted the police like that. It was his fault. Yet - I'm in awe and shock how I'm in the minority defending the police.
But so be it. Rant over.
Just feel like I live on Mars.
I agree. It all goes back to personal responsibility? It's always somebody else's fault. I know there are bad cops out there. And cops make mistakes. That's why I don't take a chance. I follow the law, I don't resist arrest, and I use good judgement. George Floyd didn't follow the law. And he may have resisted arrest. Yes, that doesn't give Derek Chauvin the right to murder him. But that's the risk of being a criminal. That old guy didn't use good judgement. What's an old dude like that doing confronting riot police? Being a criminal, resisting arrest and confronting riot police is high risk behavior. But none of these protestors are questioning their behavior. Everything is the responsibility of the police. Nobody is personally responsible. It's always somebody else's fault. This is another example of trying to idiot proof the world. No matter what people do, idiots will always find a way to get in trouble. Where does it end? |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 11, 2020 15:57:21 GMT
I agree. It all goes back to personal responsibility? It's always somebody else's fault. Nobody is personally responsible. It's always somebody else's fault. Where does it end? I'll keep this in mind the next time you want to sue the NFL over a missed call. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 11, 2020 16:02:13 GMT
I agree. It all goes back to personal responsibility? It's always somebody else's fault. Nobody is personally responsible. It's always somebody else's fault. Where does it end? I'll keep this in mind the next time you want to sue the NFL over a missed call. You know Rey, I posted, "The Saints are not championship material. They can't overcome adversity. Yeah that was a bad no call. But after that, they were still winning with two and a half minutes left. And they got the ball first in overtime." And I always said your beloved Patriots are better than the Saints. Especially when one considers both their accomplishments over the last ten years. I have the right to be upset over being cheated by the refs. But at the end of the day, I always said the Saints are not championship material. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 11, 2020 17:16:17 GMT
That's the complication many seem to be having trouble with. Yes, Derek Chauvin seems guilty of murder. But George Floyd never would have been there if he was law abiding. Just because Derek Chauvin is a murderer, doesn't automatically mean George Floyd was a saint. And if George Floyd was a career criminal, doesn't mean Derek Chauvin is innocent. This is a characteristic of "Absolute Thought". Simple minds can only see two extremes. There is no middle ground with them. Here is another fact that may blow klawrencio's and Reykahuka's minds --- Both Dereck Chauvin and George Floyd were bad people. This is all goalpost moving and none of it really has anything to do with the protests, or what your argument was an hour earlier. Good try though. Those of us who can read, despite your protestations, see right through this. Here's an analogy of a debate between you and me; movieliker- "1+1=2" klawrencio- "No, 3-2=1" movieliker- "I agree, 3-2=1" klawrencio- "You see? Now you're moving the goalposts. You said 1+1=2" . . . denial and obfuscation . . . tsk, tsk, tsk . . . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 7:47:56 GMT
This thread has become more than just what Drew Brees said.
That said, I'm just going to add this.
If you think this movement is just about George Floyd, you're part of the problem. George Floyd was simply the last straw. People are tired of the police brutality, they're tired of the racism, they're tired of being viewed as less than. They're tired of being targets.
For every George Floyd there are countless others who have been killed by police without consequences. People are marching because dare I say this, they want equality. People like Breonna Taylor get murdered because police break into her damn house and flat out murder her, yet get by? For those that say "George Floyd's murderers have been arrested and charged, what more do you want?" THEY WANT FUCKING JUSTICE! Like I said, it's not just George Floyd. He was simply the last straw.
I see some say "don't be a criminal" as if all criminals are treated the same. You have George Floyd who attempts to pay with a counterfeit $20 bill (am I correct here?) and a white murderer who gets free Burger King while he's arrested (Dylann Storm) what is the difference here? (fuck your resisting arrest bullshit, as that doesn't deserve death)
I also bring up Tamir Rice. A 12 year old kid who heaven forbid played with a toy gun. Was he a criminal? HE WAS 12 FUCKING YEARS OLD!!! Yet gunned down by a cop.
Cops need to not be protected by the law as much as they are. They need to have reviews by not just their commanding Lieutenants (because they likely encourage their behavior) but an outside authority.
John Oliver on "Last Week Tonight" showed a video of (I forget which officer) stating that officers aren't willing to do certain things because of the paper work. (I forget the actual thing so please link it if possible) If the paper work is your concern then you are part of the problem.
I'm also tired of the people claiming that #DefundThePolice means that people don't want police. We've been defunding things like Education and Planned Parenthood etc for years. Maybe it's time for the fucking cops to take a "pay cut".
I'm just going to leave this video here. It can say far more than anything I could.
Edit: If I misspell shit forgive me because I'm just pissed off.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 12, 2020 8:50:45 GMT
Unfortunately -
There are some braindead morons out there who want to abolish entire police departments because of this unfortunate horrific incident.
Listen to this braindead moron and her contingent of sheep boo the mayor of Minny and tell him to beat it after she says they don't want any more police.
I feel as if I'm living in a Twilight Zone episode -
No More Police -
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Jun 12, 2020 9:36:24 GMT
Being a pro athlete is probably the only job profession these days where you can say what you think and not be instantly fired from your job because of social media fall out. Too much money tied up in the contracts. Unlike Joe Jerk off at Fedex or Marty Muff Diver who works the lunch line at Popeye's.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 12, 2020 11:04:06 GMT
Unfortunately -
There are some braindead morons out there who want to abolish entire police departments because of this unfortunate horrific incident.
Listen to this braindead moron and her contingent of sheep boo the mayor of Minny and tell him to beat it after she says they don't want any more police.
I feel as if I'm living in a Twilight Zone episode -
No More Police -
I've also seen and heard protestors on TV with signs and chants saying, "The only good cop is a dead cop. Fuck the police." And "violence is the only way." And although there is evidence organized groups of rioters are taking advantage of the protest, it's not just them breaking windows, setting fires, and looting. The protestors claim they don't want any police. But the protestors are not stopping the window smashing, fire starting, or looting. |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 12, 2020 11:09:10 GMT
Being a pro athlete is probably the only job profession these days where you can say what you think and not be instantly fired from your job because of social media fall out. Too much money tied up in the contracts. Unlike Joe Jerk off at Fedex or Marty Muff Diver who works the lunch line at Popeye's. Nobody is going to fire Drew Brees just because he said, "I will never support anybody disrespecting the flag." I've heard people say it wasn't what he said. It was just bad timing. Can anybody spell "ultra hyper-sensitive"? |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 12, 2020 11:17:39 GMT
This thread has become more than just what Drew Brees said. That said, I'm just going to add this. If you think this movement is just about George Floyd, you're part of the problem. George Floyd was simply the last straw. People are tired of the police brutality, they're tired of the racism, they're tired of being viewed as less than. They're tired of being targets. For every George Floyd there are countless others who have been killed by police without consequences. People are marching because dare I say this, they want equality. People like Breonna Taylor get murdered because police break into her damn house and flat out murder her, yet get by? For those that say "George Floyd's murderers have been arrested and charged, what more do you want?" THEY WANT FUCKING JUSTICE! Like I said, it's not just George Floyd. He was simply the last straw. I see some say "don't be a criminal" as if all criminals are treated the same. You have George Floyd who attempts to pay with a counterfeit $20 bill (am I correct here?) and a white murderer who gets free Burger King while he's arrested (Dylann Storm) what is the difference here? (fuck your resisting arrest bullshit, as that doesn't deserve death) I also bring up Tamir Rice. A 12 year old kid who heaven forbid played with a toy gun. Was he a criminal? HE WAS 12 FUCKING YEARS OLD!!! Yet gunned down by a cop. Cops need to not be protected by the law as much as they are. They need to have reviews by not just their commanding Lieutenants (because they likely encourage their behavior) but an outside authority. John Oliver on "Last Week Tonight" showed a video of (I forget which officer) stating that officers aren't willing to do certain things because of the paper work. (I forget the actual thing so please link it if possible) If the paper work is your concern then you are part of the problem. I'm also tired of the people claiming that #DefundThePolice means that people don't want police. We've been defunding things like Education and Planned Parenthood etc for years. Maybe it's time for the fucking cops to take a "pay cut". I'm just going to leave this video here. It can say far more than anything I could. Edit: If I misspell shit forgive me because I'm just pissed off. In response to that lady in the video, by her own words, "You broke the contract when you stole." And I've seen on CNN and MSNBC black owned businesses have been looted and burned. So not just Targets and Auto Zones. That is the problem with Black Lives Matter and their supporters. They are always complaining about treatment of criminals. And only black criminals. As far as Brianna Taylor and Tamir Rice --- can anybody spell "anecdotal exceptions"? (Brianna Taylor was dating a criminal who is in jail on unrelated charges. That's who police were looking for when she was killed. Her brother opened fire on police. Police shot back. Breanna Taylor was caught in the crossfire. Her brother has been charged with "attempted murder of a police officer.) |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 12, 2020 12:39:25 GMT
Defunding the police, for anyone who doesn't understand or is going to pretend not to, doesn't necessarily mean phasing out the police force; it means reallocating some of the funds from the police dept. to other areas of need that will ultimately lead to lower crime rates in the first place. Though there is a more extreme version of defunding the police, which does call for the abolishment of the police force, to be replaced by first responders trained in mental health or social work for example. The idea being that not every potentially violent encounter needs a violent solution.
Personally, I think the latter is far too idealistic to function on a large scale in the US. First and foremost, they'd need to take away guns from the American public. (I'll wait for the laughter to die down before continuing.) It isn't just police violence or racial violence that's the issue with American culture. It's violence, period. We were built on it, we were raised by it; it seems to be the lens Americans see the world through. We won our freedom through violence. We took the land from coast to coast through violence. We defeated our enemies in countless wars, and protect our interests (and global compliance in a greater peace is an interest beyond morality) through violence, or the threat thereof. The entire foundation of American culture would have to fundamentally change from the top down before you could even think about abolishing the police on a grand scale.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jun 12, 2020 20:17:09 GMT
Unfortunately -
There are some braindead morons out there who want to abolish entire police departments because of this unfortunate horrific incident.
Listen to this braindead moron and her contingent of sheep boo the mayor of Minny and tell him to beat it after she says they don't want any more police.
I feel as if I'm living in a Twilight Zone episode -
No More Police -
I've also seen and heard protestors on TV with signs and chants saying, "The only good cop is a dead cop. Fuck the police." And "violence is the only way." And although there is evidence organized groups of rioters are taking advantage of the protest, it's not just them breaking windows, setting fires, and looting. The protestors claim they don't want any police. But the protestors are not stopping the window smashing, fire starting, or looting. Neither are the cops tho? |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 12, 2020 21:44:41 GMT
I've also seen and heard protestors on TV with signs and chants saying, "The only good cop is a dead cop. Fuck the police." And "violence is the only way." And although there is evidence organized groups of rioters are taking advantage of the protest, it's not just them breaking windows, setting fires, and looting. The protestors claim they don't want any police. But the protestors are not stopping the window smashing, fire starting, or looting. Neither are the cops tho? They can't be everywhere. And the protestors won't allow them to penetrate their protest. |
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