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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 8, 2020 11:45:49 GMT
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 8, 2020 11:50:49 GMT
I don't know about white, but images of Jesus very often make him out to be a european.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 8, 2020 12:33:51 GMT
Are Romans considered to be white?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 8, 2020 12:50:18 GMT
Depends on the definition of “white” is. If it’s based the original American cultural definition, as the only “white” people were Anglo-Saxons, Scots, and Protestant Irish, then none. Even Germans were not “white,” much less Mediterraneans like Greeks and Italians. Neither were the Semitic (except for Jews) or Egyptian people. (Germans, Irish Catholics, Greeks and Italians have since been culturally “upgraded” to official white status. Arabs were being also, but 9/11 caused a set back. They return to non-white status...sometimes referred to as sand n-word.
Now, use the classification of Caucasian (white race) that includes common traits held among most inhabitants of the Middle East and Europe, then about all of them were “white.”
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Post by orkrdrkr on Jun 8, 2020 13:19:42 GMT
Esau was white, was he not? He was described with red hair. According to the Black Hebrew Israelites, he was probably among the few (if not the only) white persons in the Bible and his brother Jacob was black.
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Post by captainbryce on Jun 8, 2020 13:31:44 GMT
Are Romans considered to be white? Yes
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Post by politicidal on Jun 8, 2020 14:59:00 GMT
Are Romans considered to be white? Yes Unless you're a Klansman. They hate Italians.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 8, 2020 15:06:40 GMT
Unless you're a Klansman. They hate Italians. They must have a great time reading the Bible and hating everyone in the book.
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Post by drystyx on Jun 8, 2020 15:49:19 GMT
Define "white people".
The Hebrews were basically Arabic, and Arabs are considered Caucasian
Since the twelve tribes were hard pressed in Egypt, whether one takes it at face value, or whether one takes it as a motley crew, we get defined descriptions of the different groups of people. Eight tribes were local Arabic, most likely. The other four were descendants of slave women, so those four tribes could be African or white.
Now, being in Egypt, one must figure some of the eight non slave tribes were African, but which ones? Maybe some clues could be found to give hints, but it would be hard to prove which ones. Almost surely, some were. I would certainly expect the Levites to be African in origin. I would suspect the eldest son, Reuben, to be African also. Since Simeon is surely a soldier tribe, I would think that would be another non Caucasian tribe at the onset. So the oldest three children were probably African. That makes Judah, the tribe of note, which was the fourth son, puzzling. I'm guess they were also African, since they were held in high regard.
Now, the Romans were definitely white. Much whiter than we think of Romans today. They incorporated what they called "Orientals" about the time of the Caesars. These "orientals" were much more attractive mates to the natural desires of men. We had to be taught to think of fair, pale people being attractive. European writers first worked that propaganda, and it was latched onto by Hitler and Hollywood. The propaganda was unrelenting. Read the books of old English and old American writers.
But in biblical days, pale skin was viewed more basic to primeval minds. The story of Romulus and Remus is one of two rejected boys who were raised by wolves. The white, fair Caucasian people had only one asset in their make up, the ability to fully use the milk of animals for nutrition. Thus, only those rejects who could survive on animal milk would breed more rejects. We see that today in the Caucasian race. For almost all of History, the Caucasian has been the underdog, and in the primitive mind, he still is. It's natural to hate pale skin. Otherwise, there would be no market for tanning beds and sun tan lotion, which we know is detrimental to survival.
Biblical prophets during the days of the prophets and kings, they didn't need to mention this, since it was common knowledge. White skin was almost totally unknown, and totally unknown in most villages. Black hair is used to describe youth, and white hair to describe age. And lighter skin was a relative term.
The pale skinned Romans were important converts in the time after Jesus was crucified. It's laughable that old movies would depict Pilate as darker than the Hebrews, when it was exactly the opposite. Modern films do a better job of depicting the reality. Romans were almost certainly as pale as Scandinavians before they bred themselves to the beautiful "Oriental" dark skinned people. Only the poorest Italians couldn't do this.
So, in answer to the question, the Romans were "white", and most biblical characters were somewhat Caucasian by scientific standards, although not considered white by today's standards based on Western culture.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 8, 2020 16:13:12 GMT
Well there's God of course...
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 8, 2020 18:50:51 GMT
Esau was white, was he not? He was described with red hair. According to the Black Hebrew Israelites, he was probably among the few (if not the only) white persons in the Bible and his brother Jacob was black. Red hair is not exclusive to white people.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 8, 2020 18:53:53 GMT
Are Romans considered to be white? Yes By White American standards, Italians gained white status only recently like in the 20th century. And my old racist dad would say they’re never white because the Romans interbred with their African slaves.
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Post by orkrdrkr on Jun 8, 2020 20:08:12 GMT
Esau was white, was he not? He was described with red hair. According to the Black Hebrew Israelites, he was probably among the few (if not the only) white persons in the Bible and his brother Jacob was black. Red hair is not exclusive to white people. True. Still, the BHI group who I mentioned believe that he is the first ancestor of white people (including Caucasian Jews) who are Edomites and Jacob is theirs as they are the true Jews.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 8, 2020 20:19:37 GMT
Red hair is not exclusive to white people. True. Still, the BHI group who I mentioned believe that he is the first ancestor of white people (including Caucasian Jews) who are Edomites and Jacob is theirs as they are the true Jews. And when you think about, what the fuck does it matter that Jews were white? They sure as Hell have not been treated as such for the past 2000 years by the white Christians. Even Trump does not seem to understand that American Jews are Americans and not Israelis. And back then “race” wasn’t even a thing. It was about what family or tribe a person belonged to. Skin color is rarely mentioned in the Bible and when it is, it’s not to slur people. We assume the man Phillip meets in the Book of Acts is black because he’s identified as an Ethiopian eunuch, but his skin color isn’t mentioned...he could be white. Race is a modern concept used once Europeans began the colonization of non-European nations.
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Post by kls on Jun 8, 2020 20:20:40 GMT
By White American standards, Italians gained white status only recently like in the 20th century. And my old racist dad would say they’re never white because the Romans interbred with their African slaves. That always seemed odd to me. My Italian grandmother was more fair skinned than her Polish husband, my French Canadian grandfather and my English/Dutch grandmother.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 8, 2020 20:27:46 GMT
By White American standards, Italians gained white status only recently like in the 20th century. And my old racist dad would say they’re never white because the Romans interbred with their African slaves. That always seemed odd to me. My Italian grandmother was more fair skinned than her Polish husband, my French Canadian grandfather and my English/Dutch grandmother. A southern girl friend of mine is married to a man of northern Italian decent and she’d told once how her mother-in-law would call Southern Italians the N-word. Go figure.
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Post by orkrdrkr on Jun 8, 2020 20:47:51 GMT
True. Still, the BHI group who I mentioned believe that he is the first ancestor of white people (including Caucasian Jews) who are Edomites and Jacob is theirs as they are the true Jews. And when you think about, what the fuck does it matter that Jews were white? They sure as Hell have not been treated as such for the past 2000 years by the white Christians. Even Trump does not seem to understand that American Jews are Americans and not Israelis. And back then “race” wasn’t even a thing. It was about what family or tribe a person belonged to. Skin color is rarely mentioned in the Bible and when it is, it’s not to slur people. We assume the man Phillip meets in the Book of Acts is black because he’s identified as an Ethiopian eunuch, but his skin color isn’t mentioned...he could be white. Race is a modern concept used once Europeans began the colonization of non-European nations. A little over 100 years ago, they mapped race with language, so this was how they categorized Hungary and Finland: 
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 10, 2020 2:03:15 GMT
Do lepers count?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 10, 2020 2:10:32 GMT
Actually this does make me rather curious, who are the earliest known "white people"? Ancient Greece comes to mind, but I'm sure there were plenty of whites before that.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jun 10, 2020 5:38:40 GMT
Are Romans considered to be white? Not according my John Bircher racist dad. Italians ain’t white. They reproduced with too many African slaves...bad blood, you know.
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