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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 13, 2020 5:07:11 GMT
This is DC Fan logic, bravo. If the NFL was a best of seven, the Patriots would be 19 time defending champs. You're goalie can shit the bed in one game and bounce back. If your QB has a bad game, your season is over. Not really.
If your QB has a bad game - he can even win the Super Bowl.
Let's go back to Super Bowl XL shall we.
Big Ben went 9 for 21 and threw 2 interceptions - he threw for 123 yards.
However Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward and Willie Parker all saved the day for Benjamin's putrid production on the field - hence winning the Super Bowl.
I don't have to go back that far. Let's go back to last year's Stanley Cup. Binnington lost three games in the series, and played like shit in games 3 and 6. Your goalie can be completely useless 3 times out of 7 and you'd still win the title.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 5:15:23 GMT
Not really.
If your QB has a bad game - he can even win the Super Bowl.
Let's go back to Super Bowl XL shall we.
Big Ben went 9 for 21 and threw 2 interceptions - he threw for 123 yards.
However Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward and Willie Parker all saved the day for Benjamin's putrid production on the field - hence winning the Super Bowl.
I don't have to go back that far. Let's go back to last year's Stanley Cup. Binnington lost three games in the series, and played like shit in games 3 and 6. Your goalie can be completely useless 3 times out of 7 and you'd still win the title. Let's revisit Super Bowl 50 shall we.
Lord Peyton went 13 for 23 throwing for 141 yards with a pick and won the Super Bowl.
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Post by bluerisk on Jun 13, 2020 8:56:47 GMT
I concur.
Beautifully stated.
It looks as if the smart posters have started to arrive as we now have 5 votes for NHL Goalie.
You can probably also find 5 people who’d say that Donald Trump is a humanitarian but it doesn’t mean it’s true. Was it necessary to bring Trump and politics over here?!
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 10:35:35 GMT
You can probably also find 5 people who’d say that Donald Trump is a humanitarian but it doesn’t mean it’s true. Was it necessary to bring Trump and politics over here?! It's uncalled for, no?
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 13, 2020 10:50:23 GMT
Anecdotal exceptions win! Yay!!
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 11:07:37 GMT
Anecdotal exceptions win! Yay!! Not over yet -
Our 6th member will be joining us soon -
And we're still growing.....
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Post by Zos on Jun 13, 2020 12:27:15 GMT
Is other available for the sports outside of America? There's quite a few
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 13, 2020 12:53:02 GMT
I don't have to go back that far. Let's go back to last year's Stanley Cup. Binnington lost three games in the series, and played like shit in games 3 and 6. Your goalie can be completely useless 3 times out of 7 and you'd still win the title. Let's revisit Super Bowl 50 shall we.
Lord Peyton went 13 for 23 throwing for 141 yards with a pick and won the Super Bowl.
That's two examples. Come up with a third example of a QB playing poorly while winning the Super Bowl and that will equal how shitty Binnington was in the Final round alone. The Blues lost 14 games en route to a title. You can't lose any games en route to a Super Bowl win.
There is no comparison here. Teams don't draft a goaltender and say, "Ok, let's build around this guy." Goaltenders can't lead a late in the game comeback. Goaltenders can have three bad games and still win the series.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 13:00:02 GMT
Let's revisit Super Bowl 50 shall we.
Lord Peyton went 13 for 23 throwing for 141 yards with a pick and won the Super Bowl.
That's two examples. Come up with a third example of a QB playing poorly while winning the Super Bowl and that will equal how shitty Binnington was in the Final round alone. The Blues lost 14 games en route to a title. You can't lose any games en route to a Super Bowl win.
There is no comparison here. Teams don't draft a goaltender and say, "Ok, let's build around this guy." Goaltenders can't lead a late in the game comeback. Goaltenders can have three bad games and still win the series.
Sure why not.
This one is a doozy.
2 in 1 game for ya.
Super Bowl 5 - Johnny Unitas/Earl Morral
Johnny U - 3 for 9 with 2 interceptions before leaving in the first half due to injury
Replaced by Morral - 7 for 15 with a pick
Colts still won the Super Bowl.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 13, 2020 13:28:28 GMT
That's two examples. Come up with a third example of a QB playing poorly while winning the Super Bowl and that will equal how shitty Binnington was in the Final round alone. The Blues lost 14 games en route to a title. You can't lose any games en route to a Super Bowl win.
There is no comparison here. Teams don't draft a goaltender and say, "Ok, let's build around this guy." Goaltenders can't lead a late in the game comeback. Goaltenders can have three bad games and still win the series.
Sure why not.
This one is a doozy.
2 in 1 game for ya.
Super Bowl 5 - Johnny Unitas/Earl Morral
Johnny U - 3 for 9 with 2 interceptions before leaving in the first half due to injury
Replaced by Morral - 7 for 15 with a pick
Colts still won the Super Bowl.
And the Blues won the Stanley Cup despite three losses and two straight up terrible games by their goalie in the Finals. Come up with 12 examples of poor QB play that resulted in wins and you'll have equaled the amount of times the Blues had to lift up their goalie to win the Stanley Cup-- and that's only if I count the losses-- and that's only last season. You have no argument.
But don't take my word for it. You guys must know more than the average hockey exec. Why isn't the #1 pick usually a goaltender? (Two in the last 20 years, after that I gave up.)
Now, look at the NFL draft.
I think we're done here. Thanks for the effort.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 13:30:50 GMT
This is fun.
If you consider epic beatdowns fun.
Here's another for ya -
John Elway - Super Bowl XXXII
12 for 22 for 123 yards and a pick
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Post by Geddy on Jun 13, 2020 16:37:14 GMT
Name me an average goalie thats won a Cup in the last 40 years? Ok then, that's your answer. Every goalie who's won a cup in the last 40 years is great. With such a low bar, it's no wonder you think they're the most important player.
Feel free to answer my question anytime. How many teams are built around the goaltender compared to the QB.
Nice strawman there. Goalies play defence, QBs play offence so the two positions have different goals. To win a title in hockey it takes 16 wins, cant say the same for football so to even make a final youre goalie must stand out and perform.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 13, 2020 16:45:22 GMT
Ok then, that's your answer. Every goalie who's won a cup in the last 40 years is great. With such a low bar, it's no wonder you think they're the most important player.
Feel free to answer my question anytime. How many teams are built around the goaltender compared to the QB.
Nice strawman there. Goalies play defence, QBs play offence so the two positions have different goals. To win a title in hockey it takes 16 wins, cant say the same for football so to even make a final youre goalie must stand out and perform. How is that a strawman when you just agreed with the exact thing you’re saying is a strawman...and that’s exactly what you said in the prior post? What the fuck is happening to this board lately?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 17:00:32 GMT
Here's another one folks. This one is mind boggling - but just like all of the other examples I've given above - the RBs, WRs or defense completely carried their team to a Super Bowl Victory. But this one takes the cake - Super Bowl VIII Bob Griese 6-7 73 yards passing. That just isn't one drive. That is the entire game folks. Larry Csonka apparently won MVP of the SB. That is mind boggling and proof right there folks - that it isn't necessary to have an elite, good, average, or even subpar player under Center to win the Super Bowl - you pretty much just need a warm body folks - just like all of the examples I've previously given
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 13, 2020 17:11:27 GMT
Here's another one folks. This one is mind boggling - but just like all of the other examples I've given above - the RBs, WRs or defense completely carried their team to a Super Bowl Victory. But this one takes the cake - Super Bowl VIII Bob Griese 6-7 73 yards passing. That just isn't one drive. That is the entire game folks. Larry Csonka apparently won MVP of the SB. That is mind boggling and proof right there folks - that it isn't necessary to have an elite, good, average, or even subpar player under Center to win the Super Bowl - you pretty much just need a warm body folks - just like all of the examples I've previously given Yes, because the NFL is exactly the same as it was during Super Bowl VIII as it is today. Saying over and over again that goalies are more important doesn’t make it so but please, keep up your fruitless argument.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 17:14:13 GMT
Here's another one folks. This one is mind boggling - but just like all of the other examples I've given above - the RBs, WRs or defense completely carried their team to a Super Bowl Victory. But this one takes the cake - Super Bowl VIII Bob Griese 6-7 73 yards passing. That just isn't one drive. That is the entire game folks. Larry Csonka apparently won MVP of the SB. That is mind boggling and proof right there folks - that it isn't necessary to have an elite, good, average, or even subpar player under Center to win the Super Bowl - you pretty much just need a warm body folks - just like all of the examples I've previously given Yes, because the NFL is exactly the same as it was during Super Bowl VIII as it is today. Saying over and over again that goalies are more important doesn’t make it so but please, keep up your fruitless argument. What about all the other examples I've given
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 13, 2020 17:17:07 GMT
Here's another one folks. This one is mind boggling - but just like all of the other examples I've given above - the RBs, WRs or defense completely carried their team to a Super Bowl Victory. But this one takes the cake - Super Bowl VIII Bob Griese 6-7 73 yards passing. That just isn't one drive. That is the entire game folks. Larry Csonka apparently won MVP of the SB. That is mind boggling and proof right there folks - that it isn't necessary to have an elite, good, average, or even subpar player under Center to win the Super Bowl - you pretty much just need a warm body folks - just like all of the examples I've previously given Are you trying to say that Hall of Famer and, what, 10-time Pro Bowler, Bob Griese is a scrub? The fact that you think Griese was "bad" in that game doesn't really support your argument - which has gone from "what is the most important position in sports" to "see, he sucked in this game and they still won, that renders him meaningless." Do they even make the SB if Griese was so bad? They do not. Plus, you seem to take it that we're saying that NHL goalies aren't important at all, which nobody is saying. Obviously, goalies are important.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 17:17:23 GMT
Ahhhhhh.... I've seen we've grown to 6.... The movement gains strength
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jun 13, 2020 17:18:33 GMT
Here's another one folks. This one is mind boggling - but just like all of the other examples I've given above - the RBs, WRs or defense completely carried their team to a Super Bowl Victory. But this one takes the cake - Super Bowl VIII Bob Griese 6-7 73 yards passing. That just isn't one drive. That is the entire game folks. Larry Csonka apparently won MVP of the SB. That is mind boggling and proof right there folks - that it isn't necessary to have an elite, good, average, or even subpar player under Center to win the Super Bowl - you pretty much just need a warm body folks - just like all of the examples I've previously given Are you trying to say that Hall of Famer and, what, 10-time Pro Bowler, Bob Griese is a scrub? The fact that you think Griese was "bad" in that game doesn't really support your argument - which has gone from "what is the most important position in sports" to "see, he sucked in this game and they still won, that renders him meaningless." Do they even make the SB if Griese was so bad? They do not. Plus, you seem to take it that we're saying that NHL goalies aren't important at all, which nobody is saying. Obviously, goalies are important. I'm stating that the QB position is not the most important position in all of sports.
That the NHL goaltender is.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 13, 2020 17:19:19 GMT
Yes, because the NFL is exactly the same as it was during Super Bowl VIII as it is today. Saying over and over again that goalies are more important doesn’t make it so but please, keep up your fruitless argument. What about all the other examples I've given When are you and northern going to respond to my post about the draft? When you can come up with an argument? Why are QBs taken #1 overall on a regular basis while a goalie was taken #1 only twice in the last 20 years? If the position is so vital, surely they would be coveted above all other positions?
You're just being yourself but the other guy legitimately thinks a great goalie has won the cup every season for the last 40 years. (His words).
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