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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 14, 2020 15:34:54 GMT
I think it could have been an interesting premise, like say somehow the rest of the Predators find out about Dutch (they recording devices hidden throughout the jungle), so they send their greatest champion for a rematch. Dutch now living in LA (or New York) is dealing with PT from the incident and starts getting a hirrible realization when he hears news reports about locals being skinned and beheaded...
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Post by ck100 on Jun 14, 2020 19:30:35 GMT
Not really if the same script.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 14, 2020 19:31:40 GMT
So a manhunt situation? That might had been interesting.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jun 14, 2020 19:34:43 GMT
Probably.
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Post by wolf359 on Jun 14, 2020 22:09:18 GMT
I myself actually liked "PREDATOR 2".
Heck, I still like it.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 14, 2020 22:56:32 GMT
The comic released a year before had the Predator in NY going after Dutch's brother.
It had the subway attack but was different otherwise.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 14, 2020 23:07:07 GMT
The comic released a year before had the Predator in NY going after Dutch's brother. It had the subway attack but was different otherwise. I thought I remember reading Arnold was supposed to have a cameo in "Predators", he embraces the Predator species and becomes their leader or some carzy like that. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 14, 2020 23:26:06 GMT
I thought I remember reading Arnold was supposed to have a cameo in "Predators", he embraces the Predator species and becomes their leader or some carzy like that. what the hell? I know they wanted him for a cameo.
I always say, the trouble with the predator is that it was intended as a Wile E Coyote, and it simply didn't have a point to exist outside of the first movie. The second was ok but even then it was diminishing returns.
There was said to be an old Robert Rodriguez script where Dutch and other aliens (who had defeated a predator) are whisked away to the Predator homeworld and forced to fight for the audience of predators. That was a neat idea. Should have done that instead of Predators.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 14, 2020 23:32:05 GMT
I thought I remember reading Arnold was supposed to have a cameo in "Predators", he embraces the Predator species and becomes their leader or some carzy like that. what the hell? I know they wanted him for a cameo.
I always say, the trouble with the predator is that it was intended as a Wile E Coyote, and it simply didn't have a point to exist outside of the first movie. The second was ok but even then it was diminishing returns.
There was said to be an old Robert Rodriguez script where Dutch and other aliens (who had defeated a predator) are whisked away to the Predator homeworld and forced to fight for the audience of predators. That was a neat idea. Should have done that instead of Predators.
In Predators 2 it's revealed the species had been visiting the humans for centuries, I always they should do an "anthology" series of sorts where the Predators hunt people in the past (cave man era, feudal Japan, Wild Wild West) |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 14, 2020 23:40:38 GMT
In Predators 2 it's revealed the species had been visiting the humans for centuries, I always they should do an "anthology" series of sorts where the Predators hunt people in the past (cave man era, feudal Japan, Wild Wild West) I was getting the Predator comics in 1989. I really really really really hate how they introduced aliens into it.
The alien queen is being held prisoner on a predator ship--and then they automatically dump the eggs onto an alien world and let the local wildlife find them (so they get infected). Then the predators go down as a rite of initiation and hunt them.
At the time the alien series was in decline so they gave the predators the PR boost--but I think it was the worst possible idea to have them already acquainted.
And the movie followed the same plot. At the end the woman and a predator are hunting aliens side by side.
In the movie though, the aliens were killing predators more successfully.
The predators looked weird though.
Too fat and strange in the face. I recall the predators looked better in A v P 2, but then they looked weirder again in Predators.
The one in the first movie was photographed so well.
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Post by Jason143 on Jun 14, 2020 23:47:58 GMT
predator 2 is a very good movie theres not much wrong with it
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 15, 2020 4:46:11 GMT
I still think a prequel could be told... what the CIA & Moscow or whomever were dealing with in the jungle prior to calling in Dutch & his team.
Even the premise given from Anna about the hot years every so often... that the Predator(s) used Central America as some hunting safari on the regular?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 15, 2020 5:29:07 GMT
Seems like the logical followup.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Jun 15, 2020 6:28:49 GMT
Nope. I loved how they changed the setting from an actual jungle to a crime-infested urban jungle and had the Predator's foe this time round be a burnt-out cop as opposed to a battle-hardened soldier. It's a great sequel IMO and they made the right choices with it.
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 15, 2020 6:32:58 GMT
I myself actually liked "PREDATOR 2".
Heck, I still like it.
Yep. in fact, I like it more than the first movie which I no longer care for (as of my last viewing in March 2015). my two most recent viewings of Predator 2 are Aug 2015/Aug 2019 and I still mildly like it.
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Post by gspdude on Jun 15, 2020 11:34:16 GMT
Possibly, but Danny Glover did a credible job and I like 2 almost as much as the 1st 1.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Jun 15, 2020 11:58:41 GMT
I think Arnie hit it well, that going for a "cheaper" b-movie director for the second Predator movie, was where things went wrong in the first place, not him ditching the sequel for films like Total Recall or T2.
John McTiernan was probably not interested to come back, and instead they hired "some guy" Stephen Hopkins from one of the lesser Nighmare on Elm Street franchise and while the second one comes with a fantastic group of likeable and well known character actors, and Danny Glover did one hell of a job in the lead, it felt at times more like a big budget b-movie "parody" than a real follow up to the first film.
I understand the claustrophobic jungle themed setting had to change, but to go from the traumatized and shellshocked face/image of Dutch sitting in the chopper at the end of Predator, to end up with a complete change towards an almost "circus" of over-the-top action taking place (I usually love that stuff, but this time, it felt just way wrong) in the first 15-20 minutes (or so) of Predator 2, and while the laughable cliches and one-liners just came right from the assembly line, and it was only through the last 30-40 minutes or so, of the film, that I felt it had any real "connection" in style, mood and scenery to what happened in the first film.
Predator (1987) - 10/10 One of the best action films ever made, and did not really need any more "follow ups", which sadly have been proven time after time.
Predator 2 (1990) - 6/10 A pretty enjoyable action/sci-fi film, and most likely the closest we will ever get to a "worthy" Predator sequel.
The rest, well, I would just like to forget about all that happened after the second movie.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Jun 15, 2020 13:51:08 GMT
It's fine the way it is.
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Post by Jason143 on Jun 15, 2020 16:01:53 GMT
I understand the claustrophobic jungle themed setting had to change, but to go from the traumatized and shellshocked face/image of Dutch sitting in the chopper at the end of Predator, to end up with a complete change towards an almost "circus" of over-the-top action taking place (I usually love that stuff, but this time, it felt just way wrong) in the first 15-20 minutes (or so) of Predator 2, and while the laughable cliches and one-liners just came right from the assembly line, and it was only through the last 30-40 minutes or so, of the film, that I felt it had any real "connection" in style, mood and scenery to what happened in the first film. And thats why Predator 2 is great because it doesnt just copy the first movie like the other sequels tried to do and failed. And movies like Predators and The Predator had boring cliche underdeveloped leads wheras Predator 2 does a great job in fleshing out Glovers character to make him interesting. Hes meant to be relatable to an everyday ordinary citizen instead of a elite military spec ops who encounters an alien assassin. Combined with the mix up change in setting, I dont see what else they could have done in Predator 2 that wouldn't have made it just a remake of the original. |
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Jun 15, 2020 16:23:01 GMT
I understand the claustrophobic jungle themed setting had to change, but to go from the traumatized and shellshocked face/image of Dutch sitting in the chopper at the end of Predator, to end up with a complete change towards an almost "circus" of over-the-top action taking place (I usually love that stuff, but this time, it felt just way wrong) in the first 15-20 minutes (or so) of Predator 2, and while the laughable cliches and one-liners just came right from the assembly line, and it was only through the last 30-40 minutes or so, of the film, that I felt it had any real "connection" in style, mood and scenery to what happened in the first film. And thats why Predator 2 is great because it doesnt just copy the first movie like the other sequels tried to do and failed. And movies like Predators and The Predator had boring cliche underdeveloped leads wheras Predator 2 does a great job in fleshing out Glovers character to make him interesting. Hes meant to be relatable to an everyday ordinary citizen instead of a elite military spec ops who encounters an alien assassin. Combined with the mix up change in setting, I dont see what else they could have done in Predator 2 that wouldn't have made it just a remake of the original. They could and should probably have hired a better or more fitting director, and also made more use of atmosphere and mood, instead of just another explosive scene or "cool" kill, but most of all try to make better use towards the seemingly intense "relationship" between Danny Glover and Gary Busey, along with his high-tech team. And for me, that was surely one of the more interesting things that took place in the film, and I liked the little Aliens (1986) scenery/vibe later on during the cold meat factory part, but by then, too much of the film had already settled down for just too much over-the-top action and explosive scenes, and trying to make out how much of a bad ass Glover and this new Predator was, and we already knew that from the early go, but at least, the last 30-40 minutes felt more like how I had hoped it would turn out to be. Anyway, a good/decent film to watch every now and then, but a great movie/sequel? No way. |
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