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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 18, 2020 19:16:21 GMT
You're an idiot. That's what I'm getting at. Ah, so you’re being an insufferable smartass who constantly likes to brag about how you’re the smartest one in the room. Got it. Not the smartest, but certainly not the dumbest. Not because you can't tell someone saying they've never heard of Justice League on a DC board isn't being entirely serious, but because you're being confrontational and defensive about it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 18, 2020 19:24:33 GMT
Ah, so you’re being an insufferable smartass who constantly likes to brag about how you’re the smartest one in the room. Got it. Not the smartest, but certainly not the dumbest. Not because you can't tell someone saying they've never heard of Justice League on a DC board isn't being entirely serious, but because you're being confrontational and defensive about it. I never assumed that he never heard of JL. It just wasn’t explicitly obvious to me that he was joking about not being aware of the Snyder Cut. Besides, you’re the one who insisted on informing he that he was joking around in a pretty condescending manner. Oh, and then for good measure, you called me an idiot. A simple “I believe he was just messing around” would’ve sufficed.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 18, 2020 19:26:43 GMT
Gentlemen, please. This is a time to rejoice! The Unity is upon us!
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 19, 2020 1:07:00 GMT
Gentlemen, please. This is a time to rejoice! The Unity is upon us!
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 19, 2020 18:56:04 GMT
Because like toxic alt-right man babies, a significant number of them were sending death threats. No one likes assholes, or rewarding them for being assholes. The pro-murder and objectivist philosophy of Snyder on full-display in his movies probably didn't help his fanbase's political look. I won't deny that there are some fans out there who are absolutely unhinged mentality - but you can find those in every fan base to be perfectly honest - but most of the people I have seen wanting to see Snyder's version of Justice League are pretty fair minded and their reasoning for it being released commercially have good intentions. Some are annoying, sure, but a lot of that came out of arguments with people who either said it never existed or would never be released, and those who made up lies about Zack Snyder and his family; saying he hates women, that he is a bad father, etc. Just curious thought, if you don't mind me asking what makes Zack Snyder's deconstruction of, say, Superman unforgivable and disgusting but Rian Johnson's deconstruction of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi a breath of fresh air? Just curious, as we talked about that movie not too long ago and I've noticed you are not too keen on Zack Snyder's treatment of DC on film.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 19, 2020 18:56:49 GMT
I'm not a Snyder fan. BvS was an abomination. Justice League wasn't much better. Man of Steel is just okay. He is literally the reason DC's cinematic universe is such a shit show. Actually, that would be Warner Bros. By the way, side note - Amber Heard's lawyer team dumped her and several people have called her a backstabbing thing from hell, but go ahead and call Johnny Depp a criminal.
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Post by onethreetwo on Jun 19, 2020 20:18:08 GMT
I'm not a Snyder fan. BvS was an abomination. Justice League wasn't much better. Man of Steel is just okay. He is literally the reason DC's cinematic universe is such a shit show. Actually, that would be Warner Bros. By the way, side note - Amber Heard's lawyer team dumped her and several people have called her a backstabbing thing from hell, but go ahead and call Johnny Depp a criminal. I've ignored you long enough. If you quote me or tag me one more time I will stalk you back. Two can play this game. Now leave me alone.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 20, 2020 0:05:28 GMT
Actually, that would be Warner Bros. By the way, side note - Amber Heard's lawyer team dumped her and several people have called her a backstabbing thing from hell, but go ahead and call Johnny Depp a criminal. I've ignored you long enough. If you quote me or tag me one more time I will stalk you back. Two can play this game. Now leave me alone. So basically you don't want to admit that you were wrong, that's okay I'll take your response as an admit of being so. As for 'playing this game', what game? I wasn't stalking you I only interacted with you on this sub board and the last time I brought up Amber Heard was quite a bit go. I keep bringing Amber Heard up because you defended her as some kind of national treasure who went through pure evil terror not too long ago but as more and more evidence presents itself its shown that Heard definitely ain't no angel and worth defending. She has been revealed to be a very bad person that has backstabbed and hurt quite a number of people in her life including Johnny Depp, as such she really shouldn't be allowed to be the face of any social justice movements or be allowed to play a superhero little girls are supposed to look up to in movies.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 20, 2020 1:27:27 GMT
Because like toxic alt-right man babies, a significant number of them were sending death threats. No one likes assholes, or rewarding them for being assholes. The pro-murder and objectivist philosophy of Snyder on full-display in his movies probably didn't help his fanbase's political look. I won't deny that there are some fans out there who are absolutely unhinged mentality - but you can find those in every fan base to be perfectly honest - but most of the people I have seen wanting to see Snyder's version of Justice League are pretty fair minded and their reasoning for it being released commercially have good intentions. Some are annoying, sure, but a lot of that came out of arguments with people who either said it never existed or would never be released, and those who made up lies about Zack Snyder and his family; saying he hates women, that he is a bad father, etc. Just curious thought, if you don't mind me asking what makes Zack Snyder's deconstruction of, say, Superman unforgivable and disgusting but Rian Johnson's deconstruction of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi a breath of fresh air? Just curious, as we talked about that movie not too long ago and I've noticed you are not too keen on Zack Snyder's treatment of DC on film. Calling him a bad father is pretty shitty. I also think it's clear he likes women. Perhaps he can oversexualize them, but he did make the female leads of Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen stronger than their originals. If anything, he hates gay men. But yeah, I know there's good and bad on both sides. Just seems the bad of DC fans are worse than others, and I say that as a DC fan. I think the difference in Snyder's depiction of superheroes and Johnson's depiction of Luke is tone. TLJ is sympathetic to Luke's character - it builds on themes from Lucas' prequel trilogy that the Jedi were arrogant and fell due to their own hubris - but ultimately it shows his nihilistic attitude is wrong and he must step up at the end. Snyder on the other hand worships and ferishizes the grizzly violence of his superheroes. Snyder essentially said Batman's No Kill rule is for "virgins", and he'll misconstrue scenes from the comics to back up Batman being a sadistic prick. It's apparent that Superman fucking up Metropolis was repurposed as bad in BvS. No one comments on the collateral damage in MoS itself, and Supes is back to destroying shit in BvS, the areas are just conveniently "abandoned". Snyder and his fans bent over backwards defending the Zod kill, Snyder basically saying that's when Superman decides never to kill again. Then, first 15 minutes of BvS: he drives an African warlord through 8 walls. I think any "deconstruction" is probably just reading too much into things. Snyder, director of 300, just likes his badass killers.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 20, 2020 2:04:38 GMT
I won't deny that there are some fans out there who are absolutely unhinged mentality - but you can find those in every fan base to be perfectly honest - but most of the people I have seen wanting to see Snyder's version of Justice League are pretty fair minded and their reasoning for it being released commercially have good intentions. Some are annoying, sure, but a lot of that came out of arguments with people who either said it never existed or would never be released, and those who made up lies about Zack Snyder and his family; saying he hates women, that he is a bad father, etc. Just curious thought, if you don't mind me asking what makes Zack Snyder's deconstruction of, say, Superman unforgivable and disgusting but Rian Johnson's deconstruction of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi a breath of fresh air? Just curious, as we talked about that movie not too long ago and I've noticed you are not too keen on Zack Snyder's treatment of DC on film. Calling him a bad father is pretty shitty. I also think it's clear he likes women. Perhaps he can oversexualize them, but he did make the female leads of Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen stronger than their originals. If anything, he hates gay men. But yeah, I know there's good and bad on both sides. Just seems the bad of DC fans are worse than others, and I say that as a DC fan. I think the difference in Snyder's depiction of superheroes and Johnson's depiction of Luke is tone. TLJ is sympathetic to Luke's character - it builds on themes from Lucas' prequel trilogy that the Jedi were arrogant and fell due to their own hubris - but ultimately it shows his nihilistic attitude is wrong and he must step up at the end. Snyder on the other hand worships and ferishizes the grizzly violence of his superheroes. Snyder essentially said Batman's No Kill rule is for "virgins", and he'll misconstrue scenes from the comics to back up Batman being a sadistic prick. It's apparent that Superman fucking up Metropolis was repurposed as bad in BvS. No one comments on the collateral damage in MoS itself, and Supes is back to destroying shit in BvS, the areas are just conveniently "abandoned". Snyder and his fans bent over backwards defending the Zod kill, Snyder basically saying that's when Superman decides never to kill again. Then, first 15 minutes of BvS: he drives an African warlord through 8 walls. I think any "deconstruction" is probably just reading too much into things. Snyder, director of 300, just likes his badass killers. Snyder cast an openly queer actor as the Flash. Saying that hates gay men seems like a stretch. Also, he didn’t say that not killing is for virgins. He said that after a story like Watchmen, superheroes were never the same again, so Batman killing people wasn’t as big a deal in comparison. For context, this was the full quote And no, I don’t think Zack Snyder is some brilliant filmmaker. I just think that the way he’s characterized by some of his detractors is unfair.
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Post by blockbusted on Jun 20, 2020 2:45:38 GMT
I won't deny that there are some fans out there who are absolutely unhinged mentality - but you can find those in every fan base to be perfectly honest - but most of the people I have seen wanting to see Snyder's version of Justice League are pretty fair minded and their reasoning for it being released commercially have good intentions. Some are annoying, sure, but a lot of that came out of arguments with people who either said it never existed or would never be released, and those who made up lies about Zack Snyder and his family; saying he hates women, that he is a bad father, etc. Just curious thought, if you don't mind me asking what makes Zack Snyder's deconstruction of, say, Superman unforgivable and disgusting but Rian Johnson's deconstruction of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi a breath of fresh air? Just curious, as we talked about that movie not too long ago and I've noticed you are not too keen on Zack Snyder's treatment of DC on film. Calling him a bad father is pretty shitty. I also think it's clear he likes women. Perhaps he can oversexualize them, but he did make the female leads of Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen stronger than their originals. If anything, he hates gay men. But yeah, I know there's good and bad on both sides. Just seems the bad of DC fans are worse than others, and I say that as a DC fan. I think the difference in Snyder's depiction of superheroes and Johnson's depiction of Luke is tone. TLJ is sympathetic to Luke's character - it builds on themes from Lucas' prequel trilogy that the Jedi were arrogant and fell due to their own hubris - but ultimately it shows his nihilistic attitude is wrong and he must step up at the end. Snyder on the other hand worships and ferishizes the grizzly violence of his superheroes. Snyder essentially said Batman's No Kill rule is for "virgins", and he'll misconstrue scenes from the comics to back up Batman being a sadistic prick. It's apparent that Superman fucking up Metropolis was repurposed as bad in BvS. No one comments on the collateral damage in MoS itself, and Supes is back to destroying shit in BvS, the areas are just conveniently "abandoned". Snyder and his fans bent over backwards defending the Zod kill, Snyder basically saying that's when Superman decides never to kill again. Then, first 15 minutes of BvS: he drives an African warlord through 8 walls. I think any "deconstruction" is probably just reading too much into things. Snyder, director of 300, just likes his badass killers. I think the real biggest problem with The Last Jedi might be that it feels like an anthology film that somehow managed to find its way to the main series. I personally thought the film was good, or even great on its own, but I can certainly see why some people were not happy about it even without the whole BS pulled off by alt-right cronies. I almost feel like Rian Johnson and Gareth Edwards should've switched places.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jun 20, 2020 13:07:32 GMT
Because Snyder films are a movement. Of a different kind.
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Post by DarkManX on Jun 20, 2020 19:17:03 GMT
Said with the intelligence of a 13 year old. He strikes me as the kind of guy who says fuck all the time because he thinks it makes him look cool.
By the by Snyder, DC heroes weren't used in Watchmen for exactly that reason. Batman isn't a murderer. He didn't become one after Watchmen nor did any other DC hero. I have no idea where he got this idea from.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 20, 2020 20:12:59 GMT
Calling him a bad father is pretty shitty. I also think it's clear he likes women. Perhaps he can oversexualize them, but he did make the female leads of Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen stronger than their originals. If anything, he hates gay men. But yeah, I know there's good and bad on both sides. Just seems the bad of DC fans are worse than others, and I say that as a DC fan. I think the difference in Snyder's depiction of superheroes and Johnson's depiction of Luke is tone. TLJ is sympathetic to Luke's character - it builds on themes from Lucas' prequel trilogy that the Jedi were arrogant and fell due to their own hubris - but ultimately it shows his nihilistic attitude is wrong and he must step up at the end. Snyder on the other hand worships and ferishizes the grizzly violence of his superheroes. Snyder essentially said Batman's No Kill rule is for "virgins", and he'll misconstrue scenes from the comics to back up Batman being a sadistic prick. It's apparent that Superman fucking up Metropolis was repurposed as bad in BvS. No one comments on the collateral damage in MoS itself, and Supes is back to destroying shit in BvS, the areas are just conveniently "abandoned". Snyder and his fans bent over backwards defending the Zod kill, Snyder basically saying that's when Superman decides never to kill again. Then, first 15 minutes of BvS: he drives an African warlord through 8 walls. I think any "deconstruction" is probably just reading too much into things. Snyder, director of 300, just likes his badass killers. Snyder cast an openly queer actor as the Flash. Saying that hates gay men seems like a stretch. Also, he didn’t say that not killing is for virgins. He said that after a story like Watchmen, superheroes were never the same again, so Batman killing people wasn’t as big a deal in comparison. For context, this was the full quote And no, I don’t think Zack Snyder is some brilliant filmmaker. I just think that the way he’s characterized by some of his detractors is unfair. Oh Jesus, haven't we had enough of each other? The gay guy in Dawn of the Dead walked around in women's shoes torturing prisoners with his coming out stories, the Spartans in 300 derisively call the Persians "boy-lovers" when in reality they were quite fond of boys themselves, he turned Ozymandias into a flamboyant queen who hangs out at 54 and has files of "Boys" on his computer because of an offhand comment Rorschach made about him possibly being gay, and the first thing Superman sees when he enters the shithole of Gotham is a couple of guys making out. Ezra Miller is the "I'm not racist, I have a friend who's black" defense. Mel Gibson cast a Jew in Hacksaw Ridge. Guess he has no problem with Jews. shadowrun covered why a lot of that Watchmen stuff is bullshit. Snyder epitomizes 90s grimdark edgelord comics that were coming off of Watchmen and taking the wrong lessons from it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 20, 2020 21:05:07 GMT
Snyder cast an openly queer actor as the Flash. Saying that hates gay men seems like a stretch. Also, he didn’t say that not killing is for virgins. He said that after a story like Watchmen, superheroes were never the same again, so Batman killing people wasn’t as big a deal in comparison. For context, this was the full quote And no, I don’t think Zack Snyder is some brilliant filmmaker. I just think that the way he’s characterized by some of his detractors is unfair. Oh Jesus, haven't we had enough of each other? The gay guy in Dawn of the Dead walked around in women's shoes torturing prisoners with his coming out stories, the Spartans in 300 derisively call the Persians "boy-lovers" when in reality they were quite fond of boys themselves, he turned Ozymandias into a flamboyant queen who hangs out at 54 and has files of "Boys" on his computer because of an offhand comment Rorschach made about him possibly being gay, and the first thing Superman sees when he enters the shithole of Gotham is a couple of guys making out. Ezra Miller is the "I'm not racist, I have a friend who's black" defense. Mel Gibson cast a Jew in Hacksaw Ridge. Guess he has no problem with Jews. shadowrun covered why a lot of that Watchmen stuff is bullshit. Snyder epitomizes 90s grimdark edgelord comics that were coming off of Watchmen and taking the wrong lessons from it. Isn’t the “boy lovers” quote a direct line from the comic? I haven’t read the 300 comic, but that seems like the kind of thing Frank Miller would write. Also, how is a blink and you’ll miss it background shot an indication of how Snyder feels about gay people? It sounds like you’re reading too much into it. If Clark had turned around to look at the couple disapprovingly, then you would’ve had a better point. FYI, I never said that I agreed with Snyder’s reasoning for having Batman kill. Hell, I’m actually inclined to agree with the notion that his preference for grim dark storytelling is a detriment. I’m simply saying that he never claimed that anyone who has a problem with Batman killing is some virgin loser.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 20, 2020 21:54:30 GMT
Oh Jesus, haven't we had enough of each other? The gay guy in Dawn of the Dead walked around in women's shoes torturing prisoners with his coming out stories, the Spartans in 300 derisively call the Persians "boy-lovers" when in reality they were quite fond of boys themselves, he turned Ozymandias into a flamboyant queen who hangs out at 54 and has files of "Boys" on his computer because of an offhand comment Rorschach made about him possibly being gay, and the first thing Superman sees when he enters the shithole of Gotham is a couple of guys making out. Ezra Miller is the "I'm not racist, I have a friend who's black" defense. Mel Gibson cast a Jew in Hacksaw Ridge. Guess he has no problem with Jews. shadowrun covered why a lot of that Watchmen stuff is bullshit. Snyder epitomizes 90s grimdark edgelord comics that were coming off of Watchmen and taking the wrong lessons from it. Isn’t the “boy lovers” quote a direct line from the comic? I haven’t read the 300 comic, but that seems like the kind of thing Frank Miller would write. Also, how is a blink and you’ll miss it background shot an indication of how Snyder feels about gay people? It sounds like you’re reading too much into it. If Clark had turned around to look at the couple disapprovingly, then you would’ve had a better point. FYI, I never said that I agreed with Snyder’s reasoning for having Batman kill. Hell, I’m actually inclined to agree with the notion that his preference for grim dark storytelling is a detriment. I’m simply saying that he never claimed that anyone who has a problem with Batman killing is some virgin loser. Probably, but obviously Snyder approved of the line. Even the slavish Watchmen changed dialogue here and there. As for the Gotham shot, I'm definitely reading into it, but you don't just stick gay extras into the background for nothing. Why are these two guys making out, and why Gotham of all places? The city must be pretty gay-friendly, and considering Gotham is supposed to be the worst of the worst, I don't think it's supposed to be a positive thing. That's just my interpretation, and one colored in part by Snyder's past portrayal of gays. Okay, fine. He never outright claimed it.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jun 21, 2020 1:09:54 GMT
Said with the intelligence of a 13 year old. He strikes me as the kind of guy who says fuck all the time because he thinks it makes him look cool. By the by Snyder, DC heroes weren't used in Watchmen for exactly that reason. Batman isn't a murderer. He didn't become one after Watchmen nor did any other DC hero. I have no idea where he got this idea from. He also shot Jimmy Olsen in the head because he "thought it would be fun" and said Batman Begins isn't dark because Bruce Wayne would have been raped in his movie.
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