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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jun 16, 2020 11:10:40 GMT
I see this guy is in the headlines again. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/53060840We've spoke about him on here before and I was mentioning I really couldn't understand how having been out of the game for two or three years now - or whatever it's been - how he could genuinely expect to walk back into a team. But now we have an NFL commissioner saying a team should pick him up if he "fancies a game" again! Obviously politics involved but my question is this:- Do any of our American viewers who follow American Football also follow football so they could let us know what kind of level a player comparatively he was? i.e. Was he a Ronaldo / Messi? Was he a Lovren / Mangala? Or somewhere in between? Who'd his football equivalent have been? |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 16, 2020 11:24:12 GMT
I couldn't really give you an equivalent, but for all he has come to represent he was already most likely on his way out of the league when the controversy began. When he started the kneeling thing he was a backup on a terrible team. He may find his way back into the league, but he can't realistically be expected to be especially successful.
He had a good deal of success for a brief period of time. Not sure who that compares to though.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 16, 2020 11:24:30 GMT
He would be like one of the better players of a side like Brighton or Watford. Initially had shown more prospect. Definitely no where around CR7 or Messi.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 16, 2020 11:26:20 GMT
He was not an elite player. Middle level starter or higher-level backup, past his better years. He was on some bad teams his last two years and they only won a few games with him - 3 wins, 16 losses, though a respectable 90.8 passer rating his last (1-10) year. Never was the most accurate. He's 33 now, looks a bit like he's worked out his arms too much. I don't know if he would accept backup money, anyway.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 16, 2020 12:40:27 GMT
The thing is, or was, is that there are A LOT of pretty terrible backup QBs in the league. When his unofficial official blacklisting began he was better than nearly all of those backups. I don’t recall if he would have accepted a backup role, but clearly he was better than some of the scrubs who filled in because of injuries. The Eagles had Nate Fucking Sudfeld filling in for Wentz. What has Nate Sudfeld ever done to warrant a spot on the roster? At least Kaepernick played in and won some big games. I always found it total bullshit when yet another starting QB would go down with an injury and the coach or GM would plug in this God-awful retread and say that he fit the system better than Kaepernick. Well if that’s the case then you’re a pretty shitty coach or gm that can’t work around the talent that he’d have brought to the table.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 16, 2020 12:41:49 GMT
The thing is, or was, is that there are A LOT of pretty terrible backup QBs in the league. When his unofficial official blacklisting began he was better than nearly all of those backups. I don’t recall if he would have accepted a backup role, but clearly he was better than some of the scrubs who filled in because of injuries. The Eagles had Nate Fucking Sudfeld filling in for Wentz. What has Nate Sudfeld ever done to warrant a spot on the roster? At least Kaepernick played in and won some big games. I always found it total bullshit when yet another starting QB would go down with an injury and the coach or GM would plug in this God-awful retread and day that he fit the system better than Kaepernick. Well if that’s the case then you’re a pretty shitty coach or gm that can’t work around the talent that he’d have brought to the table. True, but he didn't fit the style of play and systems a lot of teams had. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 16, 2020 12:42:53 GMT
The thing is, or was, is that there are A LOT of pretty terrible backup QBs in the league. When his unofficial official blacklisting began he was better than nearly all of those backups. I don’t recall if he would have accepted a backup role, but clearly he was better than some of the scrubs who filled in because of injuries. The Eagles had Nate Fucking Sudfeld filling in for Wentz. What has Nate Sudfeld ever done to warrant a spot on the roster? At least Kaepernick played in and won some big games. I always found it total bullshit when yet another starting QB would go down with an injury and the coach or GM would plug in this God-awful retread and day that he fit the system better than Kaepernick. Well if that’s the case then you’re a pretty shitty coach or gm that can’t work around the talent that he’d have brought to the table. True, but he didn't fit the style of play and systems a lot of teams had. But Nate Sudfeld did? Every scrub that the Cardinals threw out there did? Adjust your system. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 16, 2020 12:49:10 GMT
The thing is, or was, is that there are A LOT of pretty terrible backup QBs in the league. When his unofficial official blacklisting began he was better than nearly all of those backups. I don’t recall if he would have accepted a backup role, but clearly he was better than some of the scrubs who filled in because of injuries. The Eagles had Nate Fucking Sudfeld filling in for Wentz. What has Nate Sudfeld ever done to warrant a spot on the roster? At least Kaepernick played in and won some big games. I always found it total bullshit when yet another starting QB would go down with an injury and the coach or GM would plug in this God-awful retread and say that he fit the system better than Kaepernick. Well if that’s the case then you’re a pretty shitty coach or gm that can’t work around the talent that he’d have brought to the table. That's all true, but I think the cost/benefit of Kaepernick was a real question. The immediate QB controversy, the added scrutiny, the continuing news stories, the spotlight that would likely grant him a higher paycheck.. the question of whether or not a decent backup was worth all of that is a legitimate concern for a lot of teams...And an excuse for others. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 16, 2020 12:56:10 GMT
The thing is, or was, is that there are A LOT of pretty terrible backup QBs in the league. When his unofficial official blacklisting began he was better than nearly all of those backups. I don’t recall if he would have accepted a backup role, but clearly he was better than some of the scrubs who filled in because of injuries. The Eagles had Nate Fucking Sudfeld filling in for Wentz. What has Nate Sudfeld ever done to warrant a spot on the roster? At least Kaepernick played in and won some big games. I always found it total bullshit when yet another starting QB would go down with an injury and the coach or GM would plug in this God-awful retread and say that he fit the system better than Kaepernick. Well if that’s the case then you’re a pretty shitty coach or gm that can’t work around the talent that he’d have brought to the table. That's all true, but I think the cost/benefit of Kaepernick was a real question. The immediate QB controversy, the added scrutiny, the continuing news stories, the spotlight that would likely grant him a higher paycheck.. the question of whether or not a decent backup was worth all of that is a legitimate concern for a lot of teams...And an excuse for others. And yet now Goodell says that a team should sign him. Oh how enlightened the NFL has become. Such fucking hypocrites. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 16, 2020 13:42:15 GMT
That's all true, but I think the cost/benefit of Kaepernick was a real question. The immediate QB controversy, the added scrutiny, the continuing news stories, the spotlight that would likely grant him a higher paycheck.. the question of whether or not a decent backup was worth all of that is a legitimate concern for a lot of teams...And an excuse for others. And yet now Goodell says that a team should sign him. Oh how enlightened the NFL has become. Such fucking hypocrites. Yeah, Goodell is an idiot. I just think there are also real reasons beyond the blacklist theory that many teams would think he wasn't worth the trouble. If he was a truly great talent then he would have been undeniable. |
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jun 16, 2020 16:19:32 GMT
He would be like one of the better players of a side like Brighton or Watford. Initially had shown more prospect. Definitely no where around CR7 or Messi. A Robbie Savage type by the sounds of it! |
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Post by tristramshandy on Jun 16, 2020 16:33:50 GMT
The thing is, or was, is that there are A LOT of pretty terrible backup QBs in the league. When his unofficial official blacklisting began he was better than nearly all of those backups. I don’t recall if he would have accepted a backup role, but clearly he was better than some of the scrubs who filled in because of injuries. The Eagles had Nate Fucking Sudfeld filling in for Wentz. What has Nate Sudfeld ever done to warrant a spot on the roster? At least Kaepernick played in and won some big games. I always found it total bullshit when yet another starting QB would go down with an injury and the coach or GM would plug in this God-awful retread and say that he fit the system better than Kaepernick. Well if that’s the case then you’re a pretty shitty coach or gm that can’t work around the talent that he’d have brought to the table. Was he willing to be a backup back then? He was asking for $15 million to play for the AAF. I have no problem with his kneeling - - I have a problem with him thinking that he was a good quarterback at the end of his 49ers days. Last two years in San Francisco he was 3-16 as a starter. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 16, 2020 18:25:30 GMT
He came through like a house on fire and diminishing returns from there as opponents worked him out. There was no great controversy about him being made a back up by San Fran as he'd taken the team nowhere the two years prior. Then he asked to leave. All the good teams had a better starting QB. The rebuilding teams were looking for someone who didn't have 3-16 records as a starter. He's not the style of QB you put in a backup position so that was that at first.
Then you have the media scrutiny if you take him as a back up after the kneeling. "You're not starting him because of structural racism." Every time you lose a game "When are you going to play Kaep?" By then you could only pick him as a starter and no one wanted him in that role. And, you know what, he wasn't owed that role. He was given 4 years to prove himself, more than most, and failed to.
I don't mind the kneeling but he was a spent force as an NFL starter and the culture war ensured no GM in their right mond would touch him as a back up. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him. He's more relevant and making more money now than he would have if he was a back up for some middle of the road team for the last 2 or 3 years.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jun 16, 2020 21:00:06 GMT
Some interesting comments on here.
Sounds like he's had someone really clever in his corner, his agent maybe, who has engineered a really good outcome financially for him, beyond what his talent deserved.
If you compared him with a football player, a striker say, who wasn't scoring goals then it'd be certain his contract wouldn't be renewed at whatever club. He might get another shot as a free agent at another club but would more than likely drop down leagues until his time was up. There'd be no way he'd be able to maintain the wages he was getting earlier in his career when showing promise if he couldn't deliver.
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Post by All Eyez on Shays on Jun 19, 2020 21:04:24 GMT
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Post by millar70 on Jun 19, 2020 21:13:36 GMT
Trump has said that Kaepernick deserves another chance. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 19, 2020 21:28:08 GMT
Trump has said that Kaepernick deserves another chance. Was that before or after he called the kneeling players sons of bitches? |
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Post by millar70 on Jun 19, 2020 21:48:32 GMT
Trump has said that Kaepernick deserves another chance. Was that before or after he called the kneeling players sons of bitches? I don't know, but I'm sure he will never think highly of Kaepernick. In spite of how he feels about him personally, Trump supports Kaepernick getting another chance in the NFL. |
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