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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 2:09:10 GMT
Let's pretend he was easy to work with.
Missed opportunities.
Luger
Goldberg
Sting
....eventually Hogan.
Agree or Disagree with the storyline - he's comes in gunning for Hogan and we got that epic failure.
Would you have given him the belt right from the start - or have him war and go over the above leading his way to Hogan.
None the less - missed opportunity
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2017 20:54:28 GMT
Definitely should've lead a better attack against Hogan and the NWO. Throw lackeys at him first.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 0:44:18 GMT
Definitely should've lead a better attack against Hogan and the NWO. Throw lackeys at him first. what do you think their thinking was preach? he was too big of a legend and icon ala Piper and they didn't need to do any buildup and they could just one off him with Hogan..... then you have the case of Hart - who never went against Hogan (and i've made my feelings known although im in the minority i think WCW did everything for Hart) it was a while ago. was Hogan even holding the strap? maybe have Warrior go over in a squash match and he then feuds with the likes of Goldberg, Sting, Luger, Hogan, etc. just seemed like such a missed opportunity. shoots out there from bischoff, well - 'warrior was warrior' - i just view it as a missed opportunity |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 2, 2017 13:14:42 GMT
I believe the thinking is very similar to the current thinking of the WWE: a short term angle for a quick jump in ratings/pay per view buy rates. The long term planning wasn't really there. Or rather, the patience for it.
Both Piper and Warrior pretty much immediately got a pay per view match against Hogan. Now compare that to the slow brew of the nWo. That was some masterful long term story telling. Hall and Nash showed up on tv and even a pay per view without ever having a match. Hell, for most of their early months, they hadn't even been named yet.
Hart I think was actually another missed opportunity. WWF practically handed WCW their next big hero. It would've been such a simple storyline the fans would've completely bought into. Hart makes a bee line for Hall and Nash. Since he can't get to Shawn, he's going after his friends. But to get to them, he's gotta go through the nWo. So he makes it his goal to bring it down. Maybe team him up with Sting.
But Warrior, like too much often in wrestling, seemed to be just a short term angle. Once that was used up, where was there to go?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 20:06:00 GMT
I believe the thinking is very similar to the current thinking of the WWE: a short term angle for a quick jump in ratings/pay per view buy rates. The long term planning wasn't really there. Or rather, the patience for it. Both Piper and Warrior pretty much immediately got a pay per view match against Hogan. Now compare that to the slow brew of the nWo. That was some masterful long term story telling. Hall and Nash showed up on tv and even a pay per view without ever having a match. Hell, for most of their early months, they hadn't even been named yet. Hart I think was actually another missed opportunity. WWF practically handed WCW their next big hero. It would've been such a simple storyline the fans would've completely bought into. Hart makes a bee line for Hall and Nash. Since he can't get to Shawn, he's going after his friends. But to get to them, he's gotta go through the nWo. So he makes it his goal to bring it down. Maybe team him up with Sting. But Warrior, like too much often in wrestling, seemed to be just a short term angle. Once that was used up, where was there to go? yeah - him losing to Hogan at Halloween Havoc was kind of like the air being let out of a balloon. there was nothing to do with him can't remember if 'One Warrior Nation' was before or after the match with Hogan - or did he just immediately disappear after Halloween Havoc. i think the short term angle could have been written better. kind of similar to WWE throwing Goldberg the strap over this past year. maybe he could have squashed somebody (hogan) to win the belt. you then have him squashing the likes of Sting, Luger, Flair, etc leading up to WCW's new golden boy Goldberg where they have some epic encounters and Warrior drops the strap to him. i know it's been talked about at nauseam - Warrior's failed run - but if you look at the roster you just see so much potential with proper story writing if the sports entertainer is willing to work. |
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Post by Jayman on May 3, 2017 3:21:41 GMT
Such an unmemorable run I forgot he was even there
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Post by kaasa on May 3, 2017 10:01:30 GMT
i know it's been talked about at nauseam - Warrior's failed run - but if you look at the roster you just see so much potential with proper story writing if the sports entertainer is willing to work. Goldberg was already Champion when Warrior debuted. Your idea would pointlessly end Goldberg's Title reign AND his Streak. And for what? So WCW could make the worst worker in the company World Champion, only to have him work a program with the other worst worker in the company, doing a job that would be unneeded and unwanted. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 14:27:48 GMT
i know it's been talked about at nauseam - Warrior's failed run - but if you look at the roster you just see so much potential with proper story writing if the sports entertainer is willing to work. Goldberg was already Champion when Warrior debuted. Your idea would pointlessly end Goldberg's Title reign AND his Streak. And for what? So WCW could make the worst worker in the company World Champion, only to have him work a program with the other worst worker in the company, doing a job that would be unneeded and unwanted. Well since Goldy was champ - how about feeding Warrior to Goldberg (if he agreed to this which I don't see happening) to further solidify Goldberg as the next big thing and dominant force in the industry. throw enough money at the guy and maybe he'd agree to do it. point is - Warrior's run seems like such a let down being there were so many interesting matchups right in front of everyone. |
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Post by kaasa on May 4, 2017 1:47:17 GMT
If Warrior faced Bret then NathanVersus would have gotten his dream match.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 6:39:12 GMT
Warrior's run in WCW wasn't a missed opportunity at all in my eyes. It was what it was, it was an attempt at a ratings spike and it got Hogan back his win from WrestleMania 6. The run was a complete failure and you think there should of been more of it? You act like these matches he would of had with guys like Luger, Flair, and Sting would of been worth a damn. Yet you want to see Warrior squash WCW legends like Sting and Flair? Yeah that would of went over well. A WWE guy coming right in and squashing the WCW's top talent despite having one of the worst backstage reputations in the business for the way he would do business. I highly doubt anyone (MAYBE Sting) because they were friends would give him that huge of an honor. Not to mention you couldn't trust the guy to show up to work without holding out for a bigger pay day. Yet you wanted a longer run for him in WCW? That just makes zero sense to me. Had he been a capable worker then sure I could understand it being a missed opportunity. Not to mention that wrestling had completely passed Warrior by in 1998. The Warrior character wouldn't have fit in during that time in wrestling. The whole thing was just a failure, I don't understand how anybody would of wanted more. It should of never been done in the first place and had he stayed longer and actually won the belt like you suggest WCW would of gone out of business much faster.
In comparison to the Goldberg/Brock situation. That one was different as Brock is a legit business man and is in it for the money. They knew they'd draw more money leading into WrestleMania and it actually worked out better than I think anybody expected. A guy like Hogan can't put aside his own ego to let himself get squashed by somebody. The whole thing was just destined to fail. Should of never been done.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on May 5, 2017 2:49:54 GMT
I ultimately agree with smurfbate on his two main points: that he was bought back to lose to Hogan and that his gimmick didn't fit in 1998 WCW. Not for a main eventer anyway. A guy with that look should have been wrestling Meng and The Barbarian on Thunder rather than your tip heel on PPV.
As for matches I would have liked to have seen: Savage and Rude. Both guys had 4 star matches with Warrior in the WWF and it would have been interesting to see if they could produce again. Was Rude active in October '98 though? Other one, and the only one that would make a lick of sense business wise would be Sting.
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Post by Jayman on May 5, 2017 3:16:15 GMT
Rick Rude was not an active wrestler in 1998
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 3:32:35 GMT
I ultimately agree with smurfbate on his two main points: that he was bought back to lose to Hogan and that his gimmick didn't fit in 1998 WCW. Not for a main eventer anyway. A guy with that look should have been wrestling Meng and The Barbarian on Thunder rather than your tip heel on PPV. Oh lord I can picture Warrior wrestling Glacier and it's not pretty haha |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 1:25:15 GMT
Warrior's run in WCW wasn't a missed opportunity at all in my eyes. It was what it was, it was an attempt at a ratings spike and it got Hogan back his win from WrestleMania 6. The run was a complete failure and you think there should of been more of it? You act like these matches he would of had with guys like Luger, Flair, and Sting would of been worth a damn. Yet you want to see Warrior squash WCW legends like Sting and Flair? Yeah that would of went over well. A WWE guy coming right in and squashing the WCW's top talent despite having one of the worst backstage reputations in the business for the way he would do business. I highly doubt anyone (MAYBE Sting) because they were friends would give him that huge of an honor. Not to mention you couldn't trust the guy to show up to work without holding out for a bigger pay day. Yet you wanted a longer run for him in WCW? That just makes zero sense to me. Had he been a capable worker then sure I could understand it being a missed opportunity. Not to mention that wrestling had completely passed Warrior by in 1998. The Warrior character wouldn't have fit in during that time in wrestling. The whole thing was just a failure, I don't understand how anybody would of wanted more. It should of never been done in the first place and had he stayed longer and actually won the belt like you suggest WCW would of gone out of business much faster. In comparison to the Goldberg/Brock situation. That one was different as Brock is a legit business man and is in it for the money. They knew they'd draw more money leading into WrestleMania and it actually worked out better than I think anybody expected. A guy like Hogan can't put aside his own ego to let himself get squashed by somebody. The whole thing was just destined to fail. Should of never been done. hey tardo, you seem to know zilch about 'ratings', 'money' and 'short term gain'. yeah - warrior sucked and was past his prime - guess what Ace? people would tune in over Warrior vs. Luger over Malenko vs. Guerrero even though Warrior and Luger sucked in the ring. me guessy you don't know business sluggerroo...................... Warrior vs. Luger on TV is a money grab an a PPV too............. you could have taken WCW's money (whoever it was at the time) and negotiated a deal.............that's the point......there were feuds out there no matter if they seemed like a dud to you - ratings grab - Business 101 Topgun - this cat had 'name recognition' moreso than your hero HBK |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 5:20:10 GMT
Warrior's run in WCW wasn't a missed opportunity at all in my eyes. It was what it was, it was an attempt at a ratings spike and it got Hogan back his win from WrestleMania 6. The run was a complete failure and you think there should of been more of it? You act like these matches he would of had with guys like Luger, Flair, and Sting would of been worth a damn. Yet you want to see Warrior squash WCW legends like Sting and Flair? Yeah that would of went over well. A WWE guy coming right in and squashing the WCW's top talent despite having one of the worst backstage reputations in the business for the way he would do business. I highly doubt anyone (MAYBE Sting) because they were friends would give him that huge of an honor. Not to mention you couldn't trust the guy to show up to work without holding out for a bigger pay day. Yet you wanted a longer run for him in WCW? That just makes zero sense to me. Had he been a capable worker then sure I could understand it being a missed opportunity. Not to mention that wrestling had completely passed Warrior by in 1998. The Warrior character wouldn't have fit in during that time in wrestling. The whole thing was just a failure, I don't understand how anybody would of wanted more. It should of never been done in the first place and had he stayed longer and actually won the belt like you suggest WCW would of gone out of business much faster. In comparison to the Goldberg/Brock situation. That one was different as Brock is a legit business man and is in it for the money. They knew they'd draw more money leading into WrestleMania and it actually worked out better than I think anybody expected. A guy like Hogan can't put aside his own ego to let himself get squashed by somebody. The whole thing was just destined to fail. Should of never been done. hey tardo, you seem to know zilch about 'ratings', 'money' and 'short term gain'. yeah - warrior sucked and was past his prime - guess what Ace? people would tune in over Warrior vs. Luger over Malenko vs. Guerrero even though Warrior and Luger sucked in the ring. me guessy you don't know business sluggerroo...................... Warrior vs. Luger on TV is a money grab an a PPV too............. you could have taken WCW's money (whoever it was at the time) and negotiated a deal.............that's the point......there were feuds out there no matter if they seemed like a dud to you - ratings grab - Business 101 Topgun - this cat had 'name recognition' moreso than your hero HBK  |
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Post by kaasa on May 7, 2017 6:14:03 GMT
Warrior should have worked something with Renegade instead of laughing about his suicide.
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Post by Jayman on May 7, 2017 6:23:58 GMT
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Post by emeralderosion98 on May 7, 2017 11:52:58 GMT
hey tardo, you seem to know zilch about 'ratings', 'money' and 'short term gain'. yeah - warrior sucked and was past his prime - guess what Ace? people would tune in over Warrior vs. Luger over Malenko vs. Guerrero even though Warrior and Luger sucked in the ring. me guessy you don't know business sluggerroo...................... Warrior vs. Luger on TV is a money grab an a PPV too............. you could have taken WCW's money (whoever it was at the time) and negotiated a deal.............that's the point......there were feuds out there no matter if they seemed like a dud to you - ratings grab - Business 101 Topgun - this cat had 'name recognition' moreso than your hero HBK Still see our boy is back to calling people names he doesn't agree with. I thought he changed, I guess I was wrong huh? |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 13:16:26 GMT
Still see our boy is back to calling people names he doesn't agree with. I thought he changed, I guess I was wrong huh? I got no clue who this person is. I felt the the meme was right. |
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Post by emeralderosion98 on May 7, 2017 21:02:01 GMT
Still see our boy is back to calling people names he doesn't agree with. I thought he changed, I guess I was wrong huh? I got no clue who this person is. I felt the the meme was right. Not talking about you actually, talking about the OP, Screamingtreefrogs.
on IMDB board, it was the same thing with him calling people names in a simple argument or debate.
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