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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jun 26, 2020 3:49:43 GMT
Prince, Van Halen, U2... probably many more, but that's what I thought of off the top of my head.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 26, 2020 4:10:05 GMT
Out of curiosity, would you please give example(s) of the 1% of "heavy metal" that you do like? Stuff that gets labelled as such but is more what I would call "bar bands" like Bon Scott era AC/DC and the blues rock of Zep that also often gets labelled wrongly. Ironically the British bands that helped to launch the genre tend to be the most distanced from the "playing the scales as fast as you can" style of Yngwie and friends. Yngwie was neoclassical shred, which was a pretty specific sub-genre of guitar virtuoso metal, which was also pretty far removed from bands like Priest, Maiden, Motorhead, and Metallica. The early metal of Zep was mostly heavy, distorted, blues-rock (though, as I say that, Zeppelin basically predated Iron Maiden's style with Achilles Last Stand). The speed thing came primarily from the influence of Deep Purple. In fact, take the dark, menacing image/lyrics of Sabbath, combine it with the speed of Purple, add dual, harmonizing guitars, and you basically have 70s-era Judas Priest. LOL. I always found the cliche of Smiths fans being depressed to be ironic given how funny many of their lyrics are. I mean, I guess they have some dark songs too, but they're also one of the few "serious" bands with a real sense of humor too.
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Post by Zos on Jun 26, 2020 9:05:52 GMT
Stuff that gets labelled as such but is more what I would call "bar bands" like Bon Scott era AC/DC and the blues rock of Zep that also often gets labelled wrongly. Ironically the British bands that helped to launch the genre tend to be the most distanced from the "playing the scales as fast as you can" style of Yngwie and friends. Yngwie was neoclassical shred, which was a pretty specific sub-genre of guitar virtuoso metal, which was also pretty far removed from bands like Priest, Maiden, Motorhead, and Metallica. The early metal of Zep was mostly heavy, distorted, blues-rock (though, as I say that, Zeppelin basically predated Iron Maiden's style with Achilles Last Stand). The speed thing came primarily from the influence of Deep Purple. In fact, take the dark, menacing image/lyrics of Sabbath, combine it with the speed of Purple, add dual, harmonizing guitars, and you basically have 70s-era Judas Priest. LOL. I always found the cliche of Smiths fans being depressed to be ironic given how funny many of their lyrics are. I mean, I guess they have some dark songs too, but they're also one of the few "serious" bands with a real sense of humor too. Again, I wouldn't view Motorhead as a Heavy Metal band at first, they were far more an extension of the Deviants style garage sound. As with AC/DC they moved to the American style HM when they saw the hugeness of the audience available. Sabbath stayed with their own UK Midlands style heavy plodding rock but many bands that ended up as a form of Anthemic US Metal started out as other things. Priest had a large Proggie sense early on, Maiden, had a punk style vocalist when I used to see them (Di'Anno), Lemmy always preferred punk to HM, (he actually told me so although that was early on), Purple had Lord who always wanted to bring a classical twinge in. Still, as we say, all just opinions.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 26, 2020 9:38:27 GMT
Yngwie was neoclassical shred, which was a pretty specific sub-genre of guitar virtuoso metal, which was also pretty far removed from bands like Priest, Maiden, Motorhead, and Metallica. The early metal of Zep was mostly heavy, distorted, blues-rock (though, as I say that, Zeppelin basically predated Iron Maiden's style with Achilles Last Stand). The speed thing came primarily from the influence of Deep Purple. In fact, take the dark, menacing image/lyrics of Sabbath, combine it with the speed of Purple, add dual, harmonizing guitars, and you basically have 70s-era Judas Priest. LOL. I always found the cliche of Smiths fans being depressed to be ironic given how funny many of their lyrics are. I mean, I guess they have some dark songs too, but they're also one of the few "serious" bands with a real sense of humor too. Again, I wouldn't view Motorhead as a Heavy Metal band at first, they were far more an extension of the Deviants style garage sound. As with AC/DC they moved to the American style HM when they saw the hugeness of the audience available. Sabbath stayed with their own UK Midlands style heavy plodding rock but many bands that ended up as a form of Anthemic US Metal started out as other things. Priest had a large Proggie sense early on, Maiden, had a punk style vocalist when I used to see them (Di'Anno), Lemmy always preferred punk to HM, (he actually told me so although that was early on), Purple had Lord who always wanted to bring a classical twinge in. Still, as we say, all just opinions. Motorhead were basically a 50/50 split between punk and metal (which, as Lemmy would say, was all just rock n' roll; and he was basically right). I'd argue they inevitably had a much bigger impact on metal than punk, especially given that thrash was basically a combination of Motorhead's speed/aggression with the more intricate compositions and guitar work of Priest and Maiden; and black metal also descends directly from Motorhead's influence (then to Venom, then to Bathory, and so-on). Meanwhile, punk was already about to move into post-punk and hardcore, neither of which took much from Motorhead. I wouldn't say either Motorhead or AC/DC "moved" to metal. In fact, they're two bands whose sound stayed almost perfectly consistent throughout their career. It doesn't surprise me that Lemmy preferred punk, because Motorhead were basically a punk band with the volume and heaviness of a metal band. I can see why they wouldn't have dug the more baroque styles of the metal that evolved from Priest and Maiden. Maiden may have started with a punk-styled vocalist, but even those early Maiden songs like Phantom of the Opera are straight metal in terms of the guitar work and general composition style.
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Post by Zos on Jun 26, 2020 13:32:53 GMT
Again, I wouldn't view Motorhead as a Heavy Metal band at first, they were far more an extension of the Deviants style garage sound. As with AC/DC they moved to the American style HM when they saw the hugeness of the audience available. Sabbath stayed with their own UK Midlands style heavy plodding rock but many bands that ended up as a form of Anthemic US Metal started out as other things. Priest had a large Proggie sense early on, Maiden, had a punk style vocalist when I used to see them (Di'Anno), Lemmy always preferred punk to HM, (he actually told me so although that was early on), Purple had Lord who always wanted to bring a classical twinge in. Still, as we say, all just opinions. Motorhead were basically a 50/50 split between punk and metal (which, as Lemmy would say, was all just rock n' roll; and he was basically right). I'd argue they inevitably had a much bigger impact on metal than punk, especially given that thrash was basically a combination of Motorhead's speed/aggression with the more intricate compositions and guitar work of Priest and Maiden; and black metal also descends directly from Motorhead's influence (then to Venom, then to Bathory, and so-on). Meanwhile, punk was already about to move into post-punk and hardcore, neither of which took much from Motorhead. I wouldn't say either Motorhead or AC/DC "moved" to metal. In fact, they're two bands whose sound stayed almost perfectly consistent throughout their career. It doesn't surprise me that Lemmy preferred punk, because Motorhead were basically a punk band with the volume and heaviness of a metal band. I can see why they wouldn't have dug the more baroque styles of the metal that evolved from Priest and Maiden. Maiden may have started with a punk-styled vocalist, but even those early Maiden songs like Phantom of the Opera are straight metal in terms of the guitar work and general composition style. I saw the last Bon Scott tour and the first tour after his death and certainly live there was a shift, partially vocally and it became more obvious after Back In Black which was largely written before Bon's death as court cases have proven. Was also there in the atmosphere. With Bon it was a "Faces" good time vibe whereas afterwards it was a professional money making Young Brothers well oiled machine. As an aside, Venom were one of the worst bands I ever saw, truly awful live. The whole NWOBHM was heavily influenced by punk though in one way or another. I think the fact that we are almost exclusively referring to British bands says a lot too, The American bands seemed to be more about a different thing altogether at that point in time. When I was working down the road from the London Marquee and going most nights you could tell that Def Leppard and Girl, were the two bands that were flat out going for the American market, much more flamboyant and going for the melodic rock sound that made Leppard such a hit out there. There were some decent bands back then, Diamondhead were very good live and Tygers Of Pan Tang used to do good gigs, and although older UFO gave me some great nights out. Especially in the 1978-1980 period.
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Post by Cooper, the Golden Retriever on Jun 27, 2020 4:02:47 GMT
Lady Antebellum Dixie Chicks
Acutally I love thosel, but they de-"Southern"-ized their names for PC. That deserves its OWN thread.
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Post by jamesottosweetheart on Jun 27, 2020 19:26:35 GMT
^^^ When you really think about it, how southern were they to begin with? God bless you always!!! Holly
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 28, 2020 6:02:21 GMT
Motorhead were basically a 50/50 split between punk and metal (which, as Lemmy would say, was all just rock n' roll; and he was basically right). I'd argue they inevitably had a much bigger impact on metal than punk, especially given that thrash was basically a combination of Motorhead's speed/aggression with the more intricate compositions and guitar work of Priest and Maiden; and black metal also descends directly from Motorhead's influence (then to Venom, then to Bathory, and so-on). Meanwhile, punk was already about to move into post-punk and hardcore, neither of which took much from Motorhead. I wouldn't say either Motorhead or AC/DC "moved" to metal. In fact, they're two bands whose sound stayed almost perfectly consistent throughout their career. It doesn't surprise me that Lemmy preferred punk, because Motorhead were basically a punk band with the volume and heaviness of a metal band. I can see why they wouldn't have dug the more baroque styles of the metal that evolved from Priest and Maiden. Maiden may have started with a punk-styled vocalist, but even those early Maiden songs like Phantom of the Opera are straight metal in terms of the guitar work and general composition style. I saw the last Bon Scott tour and the first tour after his death and certainly live there was a shift, partially vocally and it became more obvious after Back In Black which was largely written before Bon's death as court cases have proven. Was also there in the atmosphere. With Bon it was a "Faces" good time vibe whereas afterwards it was a professional money making Young Brothers well oiled machine. As an aside, Venom were one of the worst bands I ever saw, truly awful live. The whole NWOBHM was heavily influenced by punk though in one way or another. I think the fact that we are almost exclusively referring to British bands says a lot too, The American bands seemed to be more about a different thing altogether at that point in time. When I was working down the road from the London Marquee and going most nights you could tell that Def Leppard and Girl, were the two bands that were flat out going for the American market, much more flamboyant and going for the melodic rock sound that made Leppard such a hit out there. There were some decent bands back then, Diamondhead were very good live and Tygers Of Pan Tang used to do good gigs, and although older UFO gave me some great nights out. Especially in the 1978-1980 period. No disagreement about AC/DC, at least from what I've seen of live shows online; I've never had the opportunity/pleasure of seeing them live (they're on my bucket list, but with Malcolm's death I doubt it will happen now). Still, even with Bryan I still think they put on a helluva show with tons of energy, but it's true there was something special with Bon in the mix, just that extra hint of genuine, volatile, mischievous, badboy danger. Bryan has always seemed much more mellow and tame by comparison. I also don't doubt Venom were probably awful live; they weren't much better in the studio! Those first two albums were massively influential, though, on the entire DIY metal community that realized all they needed was maybe $100 worth of instruments, gear, and recording equipment to produce their own music. It was basically a punk attitude with a metal aesthetic, all derived from Motorhead. Like most metal, though, it ended up hybridizing with other genres until we get to the 90s with stuff like symphonic and progressive black metal, which almost seemed like a contradiction in terms given the origins. American metal pretty much revolved around thrash, and that entire scene was influenced by punk too. I did mention Metallica earlier, and Hetfield himself said their goal was to combine the complexity of Maiden/Priest with the speed/aggression of Motorhead. Slayer was that, but taken to an even greater extreme (they're another metal band many punk fans tend to like); Megadeth was that, but with more emphasis on instrumental complexity; Anthrax was that, but with a fun, party-time vibe. I think the general point is that punk and metal have been uneasy bedfellows since the 80s. My tastes definitely skew towards the metal side of things, though; and I'm of the general opinion that metal never improved on Maiden (my second favorite band/artist of all time, only behind Dylan). Yeah, Diamondhead was a huge influence on thrash as well. Metallica has cited them as such and frequently covered their Am I Evil? Never got around to Tygers of Pan Tang, but I also dig older UFO too. Strangers in the Night is one of the best live albums ever IMO.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 28, 2020 17:49:24 GMT
I saw the last Bon Scott tour and the first tour after his death and certainly live there was a shift, partially vocally and it became more obvious after Back In Black which was largely written before Bon's death as court cases have proven. Was also there in the atmosphere. With Bon it was a "Faces" good time vibe whereas afterwards it was a professional money making Young Brothers well oiled machine. As an aside, Venom were one of the worst bands I ever saw, truly awful live. The whole NWOBHM was heavily influenced by punk though in one way or another. I think the fact that we are almost exclusively referring to British bands says a lot too, The American bands seemed to be more about a different thing altogether at that point in time. When I was working down the road from the London Marquee and going most nights you could tell that Def Leppard and Girl, were the two bands that were flat out going for the American market, much more flamboyant and going for the melodic rock sound that made Leppard such a hit out there. There were some decent bands back then, Diamondhead were very good live and Tygers Of Pan Tang used to do good gigs, and although older UFO gave me some great nights out. Especially in the 1978-1980 period. No disagreement about AC/DC, at least from what I've seen of live shows online; I've never had the opportunity/pleasure of seeing them live (they're on my bucket list, but with Malcolm's death I doubt it will happen now). Still, even with Bryan I still think they put on a helluva show with tons of energy, but it's true there was something special with Bon in the mix, just that extra hint of genuine, volatile, mischievous, badboy danger. Bryan has always seemed much more mellow and tame by comparison. I also don't doubt Venom were probably awful live; they weren't much better in the studio! Those first two albums were massively influential, though, on the entire DIY metal community that realized all they needed was maybe $100 worth of instruments, gear, and recording equipment to produce their own music. It was basically a punk attitude with a metal aesthetic, all derived from Motorhead. Like most metal, though, it ended up hybridizing with other genres until we get to the 90s with stuff like symphonic and progressive black metal, which almost seemed like a contradiction in terms given the origins. American metal pretty much revolved around thrash, and that entire scene was influenced by punk too. I did mention Metallica earlier, and Hetfield himself said their goal was to combine the complexity of Maiden/Priest with the speed/aggression of Motorhead. Slayer was that, but taken to an even greater extreme (they're another metal band many punk fans tend to like); Megadeth was that, but with more emphasis on instrumental complexity; Anthrax was that, but with a fun, party-time vibe. I think the general point is that punk and metal have been uneasy bedfellows since the 80s. My tastes definitely skew towards the metal side of things, though; and I'm of the general opinion that metal never improved on Maiden (my second favorite band/artist of all time, only behind Dylan). Yeah, Diamondhead was a huge influence on thrash as well. Metallica has cited them as such and frequently covered their Am I Evil? Never got around to Tygers of Pan Tang, but I also dig older UFO too. Strangers in the Night is one of the best live albums ever IMO. What's your opinion on crossover thrash? (Stormtroopers of Death, Suicidal Tendencies)
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jun 28, 2020 18:33:38 GMT
andy warhol, vincent van-g0.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 29, 2020 4:40:35 GMT
No disagreement about AC/DC, at least from what I've seen of live shows online; I've never had the opportunity/pleasure of seeing them live (they're on my bucket list, but with Malcolm's death I doubt it will happen now). Still, even with Bryan I still think they put on a helluva show with tons of energy, but it's true there was something special with Bon in the mix, just that extra hint of genuine, volatile, mischievous, badboy danger. Bryan has always seemed much more mellow and tame by comparison. I also don't doubt Venom were probably awful live; they weren't much better in the studio! Those first two albums were massively influential, though, on the entire DIY metal community that realized all they needed was maybe $100 worth of instruments, gear, and recording equipment to produce their own music. It was basically a punk attitude with a metal aesthetic, all derived from Motorhead. Like most metal, though, it ended up hybridizing with other genres until we get to the 90s with stuff like symphonic and progressive black metal, which almost seemed like a contradiction in terms given the origins. American metal pretty much revolved around thrash, and that entire scene was influenced by punk too. I did mention Metallica earlier, and Hetfield himself said their goal was to combine the complexity of Maiden/Priest with the speed/aggression of Motorhead. Slayer was that, but taken to an even greater extreme (they're another metal band many punk fans tend to like); Megadeth was that, but with more emphasis on instrumental complexity; Anthrax was that, but with a fun, party-time vibe. I think the general point is that punk and metal have been uneasy bedfellows since the 80s. My tastes definitely skew towards the metal side of things, though; and I'm of the general opinion that metal never improved on Maiden (my second favorite band/artist of all time, only behind Dylan). Yeah, Diamondhead was a huge influence on thrash as well. Metallica has cited them as such and frequently covered their Am I Evil? Never got around to Tygers of Pan Tang, but I also dig older UFO too. Strangers in the Night is one of the best live albums ever IMO. What's your opinion on crossover thrash? (Stormtroopers of Death, Suicidal Tendencies) I haven't heard a lot but from what I have heard I don't like it as much as regular thrash. If Corrosion of Conformity count, they were pretty good.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 29, 2020 16:21:08 GMT
What's your opinion on crossover thrash? (Stormtroopers of Death, Suicidal Tendencies) I haven't heard a lot but from what I have heard I don't like it as much as regular thrash. If Corrosion of Conformity count, they were pretty good. SOD was essentially a novelty band, basically old Anthrax with a different vocalist. I don’t think their output should be taken all that seriously. As for AC/DC, they never played as fast with Brian as they did with Bon. Listen to the Let There Be Rock album, nothing in the Brian era matches that tempo. Now on to the topic at hand, I never could get into Bruce Springsteen, the Dave Matthews Band, or The Cure. I tried, just can’t do it.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 30, 2020 5:17:10 GMT
I haven't heard a lot but from what I have heard I don't like it as much as regular thrash. If Corrosion of Conformity count, they were pretty good. As for AC/DC, they never played as fast with Brian as they did with Bon. Listen to the Let There Be Rock album, nothing in the Brian era matches that tempo. Good point, though I think it's pretty common for bands to slow down as they get older. Perhaps there are exceptions, but I think even Motorhead's later albums weren't as fast as their earlier stuff.
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