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Post by dirtypillows on Jun 28, 2020 20:07:57 GMT
I would say revenge is an extremely human thing. But I would say it's likely the dark side of human nature. But...
Do you think revenge is ever justified? What if the justice systems fails to provide? Is there that big a difference between revenge and justice? I would say that justice sort of operates under the guise of so-called civilization and that capital punishment is no less deadly than Charles Bronson with a gun.
If revenge is bad, why is it bad? Is retaliation any different than revenge?
Have you ever sought revenge against somebody who wronged you? How did it make you feel afterwards? What would you say to a person who had been wronged and wanted revenge? Would you be sympathetic?
Does revenge damage the soul?
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 28, 2020 20:13:35 GMT
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Post by dirtypillows on Jun 28, 2020 20:23:29 GMT
Your non-verbal response was not super lucid, but I suppose you're saying that revenge is something that can be justified. The part at the end about hate was interesting, though if hate is what keeps a person alive is the life worth living? Is hate ever a good thing? But I thank you for your contribution! It's all interesting! |
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Post by mslo79 on Jun 29, 2020 3:10:28 GMT
The answer is obvious if you know Jesus Christ half-way decently and His authority is absolute and is just the way things are. so yeah, it's bad for the soul. plus, hanging onto hate of someone does nothing but hurt the person doing the hate. so for example... Person B wronged Person A and Person A now hates Person B with a burning passion, Person A ends up getting more and more hurt the longer they hold onto that hate of Person B. it's best to forgive and let it go as soon as possible (I get that can be difficult to do and all, especially on more severe things, but you get the gist  ). with that said... I know some people will try to justify their revenge (assuming it was a really serious situation) by saying stuff like, 'well if I got my revenge by killing this person, I could possibly stop them from harming others'. so while that might sound decent on the surface, and might even be true on some level, I suspect that person is primarily doing it more for personal revenge sake then for stopping that other person from hurting others and that's a problem. I know we are all sinners, so our natural reaction when someone crosses us quite a bit, is to make them pay especially once it goes beyond a certain point. or those times where someone is clearly in the wrong and they try to twist it to make you look like the villain etc. because someone doing a wrong towards someone is bad enough but when they not only won't acknowledge the wrong they have done but then twist it to make the one they wronged look like the villain makes the anger that much worse because at that point they are further injuring you on top of the initial wrong. but it's best to let it go and move on as soon as we can otherwise it can eat at someone if they harbor that hatred for years etc. it can eat at them and age them and is not only bad for ones soul, but even their body. kind of like how high levels of stress for longer periods of time take it's toll one ones body/overall health. there is no one I genuinely hate even though there are definitely some people I don't care for (like I have more of a negative opinion of than a positive one (but I kind of assume pretty much everyone is like this at the least)) but I don't truly hate them. because hate is a pretty strong word and for someone to reach this level (like a true level of hatred/rage and the like and harbor it for along time), they eventually must forgive the person who's done them wrong to get right with God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). but forgiving someone does not automatically mean everything is cool (because obviously if someone is still acting wrong towards others it's best to avoid that person in general etc), but that you just forgive them as I realize the emotions can still flair up a bit, but forgiveness is a act of the will, not a emotion. so you can still choose to forgive someone even if your emotions are still flaring up a bit in a negative way towards that person who wronged you. just some thoughts |
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Jun 29, 2020 4:10:21 GMT
Revenge isn't about feeling better.
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Post by gameboy on Jun 29, 2020 4:54:35 GMT
The problem is that there will always be paranoid nuts trying to get revenge over perceived slights which never existed. I prefer aggrieved souls be upfront if they feel the need to avenge. Do it face to face. I mean, no booby traps or hidden treachery which "revenge" implies.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jun 29, 2020 6:55:37 GMT
The problem is that there will always be paranoid nuts trying to get revenge over perceived slights which never existed. I prefer aggrieved souls be upfront if they feel the need to avenge. Do it face to face. I mean, no booby traps or hidden treachery which "revenge" implies. In one of my psychology courses, we were having a discussion about the paranoid personality disorder- and this I never will forget - the professor said that there is often a kernel of truth in paranoia. And then she went on with whatever else, but my jaw dropped. Because if there is some truth in the paranoiac's perception, then how can it be paranoia? Years later I decided that it must have to do with how the person deals with their paranoia, i.e., they don't let it get the better of them. |
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Post by onethreetwo on Jun 29, 2020 7:22:23 GMT
 I bought two jars last week. I haven't made the sour jars yet though. |
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Jun 29, 2020 12:07:33 GMT
Revenge is based on hate, rage, bad negative feelings and retaliation. To me, living that way can consume you. Justice is purportedly based on restoring balance based on social and legal premises.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 29, 2020 12:50:18 GMT
Apparently it didn’t produce good box office.  |
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Post by Red Horizon on Jun 29, 2020 14:14:49 GMT
 This one's good. |
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Post by gameboy on Jun 29, 2020 14:27:46 GMT
The problem is that there will always be paranoid nuts trying to get revenge over perceived slights which never existed. I prefer aggrieved souls be upfront if they feel the need to avenge. Do it face to face. I mean, no booby traps or hidden treachery which "revenge" implies. In one of my psychology courses, we were having a discussion about the paranoid personality disorder- and this I never will forget - the professor said that there is often a kernel of truth in paranoia. And then she went on with whatever else, but my jaw dropped. Because if there is some truth in the paranoiac's perception, then how can it be paranoia? Years later I decided that it must have to do with how the person deals with their paranoia, i.e., they don't let it get the better of them. There may be a kernel of truth and that's my point. "Revenge" is an over reaction. The healthy person doesn't give another person free rent in their head. Rather than plot revenge forget about it and move on. |
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Post by theravenking on Jun 29, 2020 14:50:23 GMT
The thing is that for centuries or even millennia revenge was considered the normal reaction if you were wronged in life. You were expected to pick up a weapon and take vengeance. Otherwise you would’ve been considered a weakling.
When a boy was old enough to walk he was given a sword and taught how to fight and defend himself. Later he would most likely go to war, kill numerous people and consider all of this the normal way of life.
The peaceful societies we live in today are a relatively recent development. In fact our forebears would likely be perplexed by our attitudes toward violence. They would fail to understand why it should be wrong to burn your enemies’ house to the ground or shoot their families. They would think we had entirely lost our minds.
I’m not saying that we should return to those old ways. It’s better to make peace than to go on a bloody rampage, but as we all know not everybody is willing to accept the hand you offer in peace. And even today in some parts of the world there exist archaic societies which go by the old philosophy of: “An eye for an eye.” Like Afghanistan for example.
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Post by shannondegroot on Jun 29, 2020 14:52:41 GMT
Revenge of the Sith does, Revenge of the Nerds doesn't.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 29, 2020 15:06:26 GMT
Revenge of the Sith does, Revenge of the Nerds doesn't. And let us not forget...  |
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Post by theravenking on Jun 29, 2020 15:11:40 GMT
And to answer the question: Does revenge harm the soul?
No, I don't think revenge harms the soul. I believe it's experiencing deep humiliation that can harm the soul. And it can be very tempting to use violence to overcome this humiliation.
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Post by Ass_E9 on Jun 29, 2020 15:32:41 GMT
 "Yes, but I still prefer damaged souls over cash payment." |
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Post by politicidal on Jun 29, 2020 23:59:57 GMT
Apparently it didn’t produce good box office. Better off as a tv series apparently. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 30, 2020 2:00:05 GMT
Revenge is a dish best served cold
Ancient Klingon Proverb
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 30, 2020 2:10:57 GMT
The thing is that for centuries or even millennia revenge was considered the normal reaction if you were wronged in life. You were expected to pick up a weapon and take vengeance. Otherwise you would’ve been considered a weakling. When a boy was old enough to walk he was given a sword and taught how to fight and defend himself. Later he would most likely go to war, kill numerous people and consider all of this the normal way of life. The peaceful societies we live in today are a relatively recent development. In fact our forebears would likely be perplexed by our attitudes toward violence. They would fail to understand why it should be wrong to burn your enemies’ house to the ground or shoot their families. They would think we had entirely lost our minds. I’m not saying that we should return to those old ways. It’s better to make peace than to go on a bloody rampage, but as we all know not everybody is willing to accept the hand you offer in peace. And even today in some parts of the world there exist archaic societies which go by the old philosophy of: “An eye for an eye.” Like Afghanistan for example. A lot of this comes down to evolution of the mind and societal conditioning. We are taught to be more civilized for the most part today. Revenge is more often than not born out of a sense of victim-hood and even anger towards the wrongdoer. They are personal things to deal with and even though what we may perceive as injustices occurring, as in the parable of Christ for example, it is the graceful and even humbling way in which we deal with it is what determines our personal growth and emotional maturity. Hate divides and I feel does corrupt the soul. |
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