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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 30, 2020 5:45:04 GMT
 I bought two jars last week. I haven't made the sour jars yet though. I went along to an empowerment session and a question was put towards us...”Would you hug your enemy”. As it went around the group, people answered the question objectively, yes or no. When it got to my turn, I said....”If I answer that with a black and white response, I am telling myself I have enemies”. It completely turned the discussion around and also created some discord. |
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Post by onethreetwo on Jun 30, 2020 6:14:47 GMT
I bought two jars last week. I haven't made the sour jars yet though. I went along to an empowerment session and a question was put towards us...”Would you hug your enemy”. As it went around the group, people answered the question objectively, yes or no. When it got to my turn, I said....”If I answer that with a black and white response, I am telling myself I have enemies”. It completely turned the discussion around and also created some discord. I've been going back and forth on it. There are two people I dislike quite a bit. Truthfully I don't even know them, but they made a threatening gesture towards someone I care about. I thought I was ready to embrace the dark side so to speak, but I still have reservations. I wholeheartedly believe a sour jar could fuck you up bad, and I don't really know how I will feel after I do that to someone. Also, I don't have their pictures or names, so it will require a little extra work and care to make sure it's done right. |
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Post by ck100 on Jun 30, 2020 6:36:34 GMT
Pretty good album by KISS.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 30, 2020 6:51:58 GMT
I wouldn't know, because I have never had any reason to take revenge.
I believe that I would take great pleasure in personal revenge against someone who did something horrible to someone I love.
I don't believe it would be any more psychologically damaging than the incident that caused you to take revenge.
I am talking extreme cases though, such as in movies. Many times the person taking revenge knows for a fact that the person killed their family or something and the person has nothing left to lose.
Quoting Batman Begins - "justice is balance"
I agree, but what happens when the justice system fails?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 30, 2020 9:29:28 GMT
I went along to an empowerment session and a question was put towards us...”Would you hug your enemy”. As it went around the group, people answered the question objectively, yes or no. When it got to my turn, I said....”If I answer that with a black and white response, I am telling myself I have enemies”. It completely turned the discussion around and also created some discord. I've been going back and forth on it. There are two people I dislike quite a bit. Truthfully I don't even know them, but they made a threatening gesture towards someone I care about. I thought I was ready to embrace the dark side so to speak, but I still have reservations. I wholeheartedly believe a sour jar could fuck you up bad, and I don't really know how I will feel after I do that to someone. Also, I don't have their pictures or names, so it will require a little extra work and care to make sure it's done right. Is disliking someone, or despising someone, the same as an enemy though? We would also have to define enemy. I see enemy as feeling that someone is against us, so in the most simplistic and objective sense, we may want to destroy them. Intent is everything and for what ultimate reason do we feel they are against us and would seeing them destroyed actually change anything? Forgiveness also appears to be a much more challenging and harder tasks to undertake.
There are people I have and do dislike and quite frankly, I wouldn't shed much of a bitter tear if I heard something had happened to them or they have passed on. I don't see them as enemies though, I just don't have strong caring or tender feelings for them because of whatever unpleasantness they have projected. Most of these personalities have been narcissistic and sociopathic, so why waste energy on them. I liked what someone on here said about not allowing them room for rent in your headspace. Easier said than done though.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 30, 2020 21:07:25 GMT
Apparently it didn’t produce good box office.  Have you seen it Stamm? Revenge is terrible, I’m not surprised. |
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Post by shannondegroot on Jun 30, 2020 21:17:41 GMT
Does the soul harm the revenge ?
I wanted to take revenge on a jerk Bluray bootleger but he has a dog and I guess I wouldn't want him to go out of business during the virus times and the dog starves to death.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jun 30, 2020 22:37:06 GMT
Does the soul harm the revenge ? I wanted to take revenge on a jerk Bluray bootleger but he has a dog and I guess I wouldn't want him to go out of business during the virus times and the dog starves to death. Nice doggie. Woof woof! |
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 30, 2020 23:02:16 GMT
Apparently it didn’t produce good box office. Have you seen it Stamm? Revenge is terrible, I’m not surprised. I watched it on late night TV and can’t really remember anything about it. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 30, 2020 23:38:35 GMT
Have you seen it Stamm? Revenge is terrible, I’m not surprised. I watched it on late night TV and can’t really remember anything about it. Selling it on Costner’s star power, which was short lived anyway. He did bomb after bomb after the magnificent Dances With a Wolves. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Jul 1, 2020 0:17:54 GMT
I watched it on late night TV and can’t really remember anything about it. Selling it on Costner’s star power, which was short lived anyway. He did bomb after bomb after the magnificent Dances With a Wolves. I actually like him more now that he’s not being presented as a great star. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 1, 2020 6:52:14 GMT
Selling it on Costner’s star power, which was short lived anyway. He did bomb after bomb after the magnificent Dances With a Wolves. I actually like him more now that he’s not being presented as a great star. A good actor that wasn't really mainstream enough to be considered a mega star. Even his Waterworld flopped and that was as mainstream as it gets and not as bad as it gets made out to be either. Well, it made money, the budget was just so large at the time, that it was always going to have trouble recuperating its cost.
He regrets turning down Platoon to play Barnes. He thought it as a negative portrayal of the combat soldiers and didn't want to disrespect his brother who fought. He acknowledges that it ended up being as real a portrayal as it could be of the combat soldiers. Stone cast him in JFK and while controversial too, considered one of Stone's best now.
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Post by someguy on Jul 1, 2020 11:44:28 GMT
And to answer the question: Does revenge harm the soul? No, I don't think revenge harms the soul. I believe it's experiencing deep humiliation that can harm the soul. And it can be very tempting to use violence to overcome this humiliation. You make a good point about humiliation harming the soul, but I wouldn't say violence is the best way to overcome it. The hard part is figuring out the appropriate grey area. |
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Post by Red Horizon on Jul 1, 2020 14:57:22 GMT
When you exact revenge, or when justice is done or when karma finally catches up with him/her and you get to know about it, maybe you can put it behind you.
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Post by Morgana on Jul 2, 2020 10:01:50 GMT
The thing is that for centuries or even millennia revenge was considered the normal reaction if you were wronged in life. You were expected to pick up a weapon and take vengeance. Otherwise you would’ve been considered a weakling. When a boy was old enough to walk he was given a sword and taught how to fight and defend himself. Later he would most likely go to war, kill numerous people and consider all of this the normal way of life. The peaceful societies we live in today are a relatively recent development. In fact our forebears would likely be perplexed by our attitudes toward violence. They would fail to understand why it should be wrong to burn your enemies’ house to the ground or shoot their families. They would think we had entirely lost our minds. I’m not saying that we should return to those old ways. It’s better to make peace than to go on a bloody rampage, but as we all know not everybody is willing to accept the hand you offer in peace. And even today in some parts of the world there exist archaic societies which go by the old philosophy of: “An eye for an eye.” Like Afghanistan for example. Islam follows the 'eye for an eye' philosophy. If someone murders someone, if they are caught, the family of the victim are asked if they want the murderer to die or if they want blood money. It's their choice. When my father died of injuries from being hit by a speeding car, the judge asked us (my brother and I, as his nearest living relatives), if we wanted him to be imprisoned or if we wanted blood money - other than the sentence he served as a matter of law. We chose to forgive him. |
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Post by Morgana on Jul 3, 2020 9:53:46 GMT
Apparently it didn’t produce good box office. It might not have done well at the box office but I liked it. I cried so much at the end, and Madeline Stowe was beyond beautiful in it. Come to think of it, Costner was too. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Jul 3, 2020 10:16:35 GMT
Apparently it didn’t produce good box office. It might not have done well at the box office but I liked it. I cried so much at the end, and Madeline Stowe was beyond beautiful in it. Come to think of it, Costner was too. I have a large number of box office bombs that I love (like New York, New York) so that’s understandable. My appreciation for the older Costner began with Man of Steel which is a film I wasn’t all that keen on. |
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Post by Morgana on Jul 3, 2020 10:42:54 GMT
It might not have done well at the box office but I liked it. I cried so much at the end, and Madeline Stowe was beyond beautiful in it. Come to think of it, Costner was too. I have a large number of box office bombs that I love (like New York, New York) so that’s understandable. My appreciation for the older Costner began with Man of Steel which is a film I wasn’t all that keen on. There are other films I liked that didn't do well at the box office, too. I think Costner was at the height of his gorgeousness in Thelma and Louise. |
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