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Post by moviemouth on Jul 5, 2020 23:12:46 GMT
They had the ability to tell just about any story prior to the 1970s and they did, with the fx available by budget or the times. Robert Shaw provided a big part of the success of Jaws, but he was still replaceable.
The fx people who made the shark were not. Only perhaps one or two other people in the world at the time could have attempted to make a mechanical shark. It's unfortunate you use Jaws as the example to make your point whose mechanical shark was famously the most troubled and dodgy aspect of the film, so troubled in fact, it's a large part of why it remained unseen for the first half of the film. But instead of diminishing the film, its absence instead elevated it allowing the real star (and the only irreplaceable character) - John Williams's score to come to the fore. Orson Welles always claimed the enemy of art is the absence of limitation and in that regard Jaws is a classic example. It's considered a masterpiece not because it had a mechanical shark but actually because for large parts of the film it lacked one! I agree about Jaws and I somewhat agree with Orson Welles, I just don't think every movies needs to be "art" in the way I think Orson Welles was referring to it. The reason big action movies are popular is because they are entertaining and like with any other genre and budget and whether they are Hollywood movies or not, can be either good movies or bad movies. Once Star Wars came along and Hollywood realized what they had, they kept doing it because it makes them a ton of money. If everyone stopped going to see Star Wars movies then Hollywood would stop making them. Hollywood feeds off the audience and the audience feeds off Hollywood. It seems to be just supply and demand.
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Post by SciFive on Jul 5, 2020 23:14:09 GMT
In Jaws, do you remember the scene where the shark got tangled up in Richard Dreyfus's cage and spun around trying to get loose?
This was real. A real shark got tangled up while they were trying to film real sharks so they used it in the movie.
He got loose.
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Post by onethreetwo on Jul 5, 2020 23:31:24 GMT
Emma Watson was the perfect Bell. She looks exactly like the animated character.
Will Smith was also the perfect Genie. He was absolutely hilarious in Aladdin.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 5, 2020 23:37:10 GMT
Emma Watson was the perfect Bell. She looks exactly like the animated character. Will Smith was also the perfect Genie. He was absolutely hilarious in Aladdin. I don't think she looks exactly like the animated Bell, but she doesn't look extremely not like her either. I am fine with what Emma Watson looks like in the movie, it is her acting that isn't convincing. Don't most people now say Will Smith he is the only good thing about the new Aladdin? If it wasn't for him as the Genie I don't even think I would have finished the movie.
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Post by onethreetwo on Jul 5, 2020 23:50:19 GMT
Emma Watson was the perfect Bell. She looks exactly like the animated character. Will Smith was also the perfect Genie. He was absolutely hilarious in Aladdin. I don't think she looks exactly like the animated Bell, but she doesn't look extremely not like her either. I am fine with what Emma Watson looks like in the movie, it is her acting that isn't convincing. Don't most people now say Will Smith he is the only good thing about the new Aladdin? If it wasn't for him as the Genie I don't even think I would have finished the movie. I didn't think Emma was bad. You might be right about Smith. Maybe he did win most people over. Personally I loved the live action Aladdin. What didn't you like about it?
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 6, 2020 0:07:44 GMT
I don't think she looks exactly like the animated Bell, but she doesn't look extremely not like her either. I am fine with what Emma Watson looks like in the movie, it is her acting that isn't convincing. Don't most people now say Will Smith he is the only good thing about the new Aladdin? If it wasn't for him as the Genie I don't even think I would have finished the movie. I didn't think Emma was bad. You might be right about Smith. Maybe he did win most people over. Personally I loved the live action Aladdin. What didn't you like about it? I think Guy Ritchie was all wrong for it, I think the movie lacks personality, I think the actor who plays Aladdin is an absolute bore, I think that Jafar is about as intimidating as a puppy dog, I think the effects and outdoor art direction look tacky and the stuff the animated Genie can do in the animated movie doesn't transfer well to live-action. In the animated movie it is hilarious and entertaining, in the live-action version is sometimes cringe-inducing. Most of that is when Aladdin makes his big entrance as the Prince Ali. That entire sequence is cringe-y imo. The only things about the movie I am okay with is Will Smith, Naomi Scott, the indoor art direction and the costumes. I'll say that Emma Watson gives an okay performance. She isn't awful or anything. People make the mistake of thinking there are only two options, good or bad. There is also a middle option, which is average. Average is a problem when you are suppose to be one of the most lovable characters in animated movie history. Her and Dan Evans have almost no chemistry in the movie.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 6, 2020 0:23:49 GMT
Not to get off-topic, but Guy Ritchie seems like he was just a hired hand for something like Aladdin. That movie was probably a "One for the studio" film for him. He's more at home doing movies like "Snatch" and "The Gentlemen".
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Post by James on Jul 6, 2020 0:55:31 GMT
Emma Watson was the perfect Bell. She looks exactly like the animated character. Will Smith was also the perfect Genie. He was absolutely hilarious in Aladdin. I’m a bit mixed on Emma Watson. On paper she seems like a logical choice for Belle given her and Hermione share some similarities. However, her performance felt a bit off for some reason. Not terrible but didn’t really feel like Belle that much. I thought Will Smith was good as Genie though. He made the character his own and didn’t simply impersonate Rob. My only gripe is the CG on him.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Jul 6, 2020 2:24:16 GMT
Forrest Gump is incredibly overrated and mediocre at best.
Will Ferrell is extremely annoying and not funny at all.
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Post by marianne48 on Jul 6, 2020 4:40:07 GMT
Three of the worst film actors of all time: Katharine Hepburn, Marlon Brando, and James Dean.
Stephen Spielberg made a career out of being unoriginal.
If you've heard one John Williams score, you've heard 'em all.
The Star Wars franchise is puerile crap; so is every superhero movie ever made. James Cameron's Titanic is the worst Best Picture winner of all time.
Vivien Leigh was miscast in Gone with the Wind; she's too bland and simpering.
Clark Gable's looks were more suitable for horror films; he could've given Boris Karloff some competition in that department.
David Lean's epic films are epic bores.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jul 6, 2020 5:08:03 GMT
Style is more important than content
Most films would be better with 90% of the dialogue removed
There are plenty of films from the 90s, 00, and 10s that are just great as the best of the 50s, 60s, 70s
The 80s is the worst decade for film post the 40s
Francis Ford Coppola is not the best Director of the 1970s
There's nothing wrong with only watching newer films, color films, English language films, super-hero films, (or obscure foreign films from the silent era), if that's what you like and are passionate about
Films based on actual events or existing IPs don't need to be anywhere near historically accurate or faithful to the source material
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 6, 2020 5:16:32 GMT
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood is better Than Pulp Fiction The Exorcist is not very scary Nicolas Cage is one of the best actors of his generation Casino Royale is the worst Bond movie I agree. I don't find "The Exorcist" scary at all. In fact, I think it's a rather silly movie. I think Meryl Streep is overrated. She has not given a good performance since 1998 - "One True Thing"
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Post by onethreetwo on Jul 6, 2020 5:32:15 GMT
You're not an A-Lister if you don't make A-List movies. Julia Roberts, George Clooney, and Halle Berry I'm looking at you.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 6, 2020 7:27:06 GMT
Three of the worst film actors of all time: Katharine Hepburn, Marlon Brando, and James Dean. Stephen Spielberg made a career out of being unoriginal. If you've heard one John Williams score, you've heard 'em all. The Star Wars franchise is puerile crap; so is every superhero movie ever made. James Cameron's Titanic is the worst Best Picture winner of all time. Vivien Leigh was miscast in Gone with the Wind; she's too bland and simpering. Clark Gable's looks were more suitable for horror films; he could've given Boris Karloff some competition in that department. David Lean's epic films are epic bores. Bravo! That's quite a stellar list!
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jul 6, 2020 8:23:31 GMT
Stephen Spielberg made a career out of being unoriginal. I respect what Spielberg does and for the most part he's pretty good at it, but most of his films are of little interest to me. Probably not far off, at least of the BP winners I've seen.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jul 6, 2020 9:19:00 GMT
Very few movies are awful and very few movies are great. Most of them are just ok.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 6, 2020 9:29:36 GMT
Denzel Washington is overrated Revenge of the Sith is better than Return of the Jedi Gladiator is not that great of a film Taxi Driver is meh.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 6, 2020 9:49:50 GMT
While they have their share of flaws, Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek V: The Final Frontier aren't these godawful, terrible films that people make them out to be. Sure, they're far from the best Star Trek films, but they have their merits. Both are more "Star Trek" than any of the Chris Pine Star Trek films.
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Post by sostie on Jul 6, 2020 10:14:36 GMT
The only good Jason Vorhees film is Jason X
The Lost Boys were laughable and un-threatening even way back in the 80s
There are more unintentional laughs in the final act of Revenge Of The Sith than there are intentional ones in the whole of the prequel trilogy
Jon Carter and Lone Ranger are underrated pieces of "blockbuster" entertainment.
John Travoltas's performance in Saturday Night fever is one of the best of the 70s
The MCU was a high risk, and ultimately an impressive endeavour
Braveheart is one of the worst BP winners
The best films of the 40s were made by Pressburger/Powell
Ballad Of Cable Hogue is one of Pekinpah's best films
The Terminal and Always ae better Spielberg films than Temple Of Doom
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Post by OldAussie on Jul 6, 2020 10:14:39 GMT
1 Spielberg is an excellent technician but a TERRIBLE artist. 2 Di Caprio has given some great performances but The Revenant is NOT one of them. 3 The Shining is a dumb P.O.S. 4 Darkest Hour might be Oldman's worst performance. 5 "Favourite" and "best" are entirely different things.
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