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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 8, 2020 21:17:33 GMT
You tend to confuse children who simply follow orders word for word with the responsible adults who must compose rules that make sense. There are plenty of religiously organized and/or funded hospitals. Mt. Sinai Hospital, Cedars-Sinai, Loma Linda, even the "Christian" ones can be very successful. Yes - by applying scientific treatments to cure people. As PaulsLaugh says above, an institution could be the Amon Ra General and it would make no difference to outcomes. An experiment on the efficacy of prayer in a medical environment back in the day, for instance, showed no appreciable difference to health results. Belief in religion is then no indication of a failure of science. At last you realize that. Now quit pretending it is.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 8, 2020 21:47:51 GMT
Yes - by applying scientific treatments to cure people. As PaulsLaugh says above, an institution could be the Amon Ra General and it would make no difference to outcomes. An experiment on the efficacy of prayer in a medical environment back in the day, for instance, showed no appreciable difference to health results. Belief in religion is then no indication of a failure of science. At last you realize that. Now quit pretending it is. When I ever say it is feel free to make this point again,
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 8, 2020 21:50:01 GMT
Belief in religion is then no indication of a failure of science. At last you realize that. Now quit pretending it is. When I ever say it is feel free to make this point again, When I can guess what you're trying to say, I'll will certainly make that point.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 8, 2020 21:57:17 GMT
You have also twisted the meaning of Fauci. Perhaps a direct quote would be more suitable to your abilities. "One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are—for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable—they just don't believe science and they don't believe authority," Fauci said. How's that suit? Feel free to substantiate any counter arguments of yours. That's very kind of you.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 8, 2020 21:58:57 GMT
When I ever say it is feel free to make this point again, When I can guess what you're trying to say, I'll will certainly make that point. In this particular instance it is that it makes no difference to medical outcomes whether a hospital is a religious institution or not. Or more generally, in the case of a medical emergency, that "science doesn't really know what to do" is not something you have so far evidenced whereas there are some high profile cased where errant priests have come a cropper relying on the alternative. I hope that helps.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 8, 2020 22:04:37 GMT
You have also twisted the meaning of Fauci. Perhaps a direct quote would be more suitable to your abilities. "One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are—for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable—they just don't believe science and they don't believe authority," Fauci said. How's that suit? Feel free to substantiate any counter arguments of yours. That's very kind of you. I agree that there is an anti-science bias, but not among religious people. Religious people can be very scientific, more so than you. Did you not just admit that elsewhere? Again there are not many people breaking the rules and some of those who do are just posers intending to carry on their war against religion. Of course I did admit recently that some of the anti-science bias can be attributed to the stunning lack of morality in science lately.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 8, 2020 22:08:41 GMT
When I can guess what you're trying to say, I'll will certainly make that point. In this particular instance it is that it makes no difference to medical outcomes whether a hospital is a religious institution or not. Or more generally, in the case of a medical emergency, that "science doesn't really know what to do" is not something you have so far evidenced whereas there are some high profile cased where errant priests have come a cropper relying on the alternative. I hope that helps. I have no use whatsoever for your medical opinions and I suppose very few people do. With friends like you science needs no enemies. (That's from an old saying.)
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 8, 2020 22:15:21 GMT
You tend to confuse children who simply follow orders word for word with the responsible adults who must compose rules that make sense. There are plenty of religiously organized and/or funded hospitals. Mt. Sinai Hospital, Cedars-Sinai, Loma Linda, even the "Christian" ones can be very successful. There is usually a large Catholic hospital in major cities. Remember Oral Roberts, the TV faith healer? Oral Roberts University (and) Hospital is a very notable success. You might be right that the 700 Club will not develop a vaccine, that isn't really their specialty. They concentrate on other charitable works. If you think religion won't find an answer before atheists do, you're probably wrong though. As has been thoroughly established here atheists cannot read above a rudimentary level. Although that serves them well enough in some "scientific" (plain) endeavors, they tend to be herd animals. You confuse how to stay on the subject. Right now Oral Roberts Hospital, which maybe a fine institution, is not curing covid using the power of pray or testing miracles cures sold in the Farmer’s Almanac. They are using the same methods and protocols Columbia Medical University is. Do you believe that there is an "anti-science" bias? Where?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 8, 2020 22:16:19 GMT
I agree that there is an anti-science bias, but not among religious people. Better tell that to, for instance, the many believers in America who deny the reality of evolution - or anyone asserting that Darwin contributed nothing to science. Do we know anyone like that? A frequent basis of antiscientific sentiment is religious theism with literal interpretations of sacred text. Here, scientific theories that conflict with what is considered divinely-inspired knowledge are regarded as flawed. Over the centuries religious institutions have been hesitant to embrace such ideas as heliocentrism and planetary motion because they contradicted the dominant understanding of various passages of scripture. More recently the body of creation theologies known collectively as creationism, including the teleological theory of intelligent design, have been promoted by religious theists in response to the process of evolution by natural selection. Do we know anyone here like that? No, I agreed for one to be religious does not mean a failure of science. Science is still valid in its own field, no matter how credulous one might be in other matters. I hope that helps. Again that is very kind of you - but substantiation is required for your first sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 22:20:02 GMT
I always blame the Jesus freaks. Have you ever wondered how many people think you are the Jesus freak? No, actually. People think I am just a freak in general. LOL But seriously, everyone knows I am an athiest.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 8, 2020 22:23:06 GMT
In this particular instance it is that it makes no difference to medical outcomes whether a hospital is a religious institution or not. Or more generally, in the case of a medical emergency, that "science doesn't really know what to do" is not something you have so far evidenced whereas there are some high profile cased where errant priests have come a cropper relying on the alternative. I hope that helps. I have no use whatsoever for your medical opinions and I suppose very few people do. With friends like you science needs no enemies. (That's from an old saying.) It is not just medical opinion, nor a minority one, that it is reasonable to expect that medicine works better than religion in creating successful medical outcomes, all things being equal. I would substantiate this but, since you never bother to do with your statements, why should I?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 8, 2020 22:25:19 GMT
You confuse how to stay on the subject. Right now Oral Roberts Hospital, which maybe a fine institution, is not curing covid using the power of pray or testing miracles cures sold in the Farmer’s Almanac. They are using the same methods and protocols Columbia Medical University is. Do you believe that there is an "anti-science" bias? Where? Remember how America's lead on infectious diseases Fauci articulated this very thing in the quote you asked to see in this very thread? I do. One can presume that Dr Fauci would be best placed to know.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 8, 2020 22:40:42 GMT
Do you believe that there is an "anti-science" bias? Where? Does a bear shit in the woods? Many of my family members work in health care and one of them is a certified medical doctor. None of us are aware of an anti-science bias except among people who read at a rudimentary level, which by the way includes you.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 8, 2020 22:56:04 GMT
Many of my family members work in health care and one of them is a certified medical doctor. None of us are aware of an anti-science bias except among people who read at a rudimentary level, which by the way includes you. You’re anti-science and proud of it, are you not? Science has no better friend in this world than I am. I protect it from people like you.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 8, 2020 23:03:19 GMT
You’re anti-science and proud of it, are you not? Science has no better friend in this world than I am. I protect it from people like you. Another quote of the week, right there.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 8, 2020 23:36:16 GMT
Science has no better friend in this world than I am. I protect it from people like you. There you go. You don’t believe science, but the rest of family does. 🤪 And your family?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 9, 2020 9:27:23 GMT
Many of my family members work in health care and one of them is a certified medical doctor. None of us are aware of an anti-science bias except among people who read at a rudimentary level, which by the way includes you. You’re anti-science and proud of it, are you not? If he's lending credence to this Globalist psyop by treating it like a real "pandemic," that's at least something the two of you have in common, yes? Also, aren't both of you in your sixties? If you're in your sixties and go into a hospital now they're probably going to kill you (or let you die) and record you as another victim of the dreaded COVID19. My chances are somewhat better. I'm only fifty-five, in good health, and I still produce (instead of just consuming without producing). I feel a little sorry for all these knuckleheads who, right up to their last moment, still believed that Trump is doing a bang-up job of fighting the Deep State. I think I may know one of them. Haven't heard from her in over a month, not that I'm complaining. Maybe there's no cure for those who have already swallowed the blue pill, except death, of course.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 9, 2020 10:02:14 GMT
All believers in science and graduates of UNC Chapel Hill or the University of Texas. Can the world get enough atheists with degrees in psychology and anthropology?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 9, 2020 19:39:47 GMT
All believers in science and graduates of UNC Chapel Hill or the University of Texas. Can the world get enough atheists with degrees in psychology and anthropology? I don't know about that but we certainly have too many deadheads in Parks and Recreation.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 10, 2020 9:29:52 GMT
Can the world get enough atheists with degrees in psychology and anthropology? I don't know about that but we certainly have too many deadheads in Parks and Recreation. Maybe you should move to the United States.
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